James Bond: 007 - Spectre - Part 5

[The Joker]

I thought someone posted it 2 days ago

Spoiler

The common link between Le Chiffre, Green, Silva and the deaths of Vesper and M are all tied to Franz Oberhauser (acting under the alias of Blofeld) who created SPECTRE as a means to enact revenge against James Bond because he grew up believing that his own father preferred James to himself, creating a never-ending hatred towards Bond. He dedicates himself to making sure James never has a life because he feels he was deprived of one and plans to publicly disgrace Bond by framing him for his fathers murder. However, over the course of running SPECTRE, Oberhauser has now become addicted to the strength and power his organization has given him. SPECTRE has been manipulating political strings, only communicating through telephones and delivering political favors of any nature to the heads of different countries (extortion, assassinations, ect) in exchange for more power.

General notes;
- Felix Leiter is in the film in a small, cameo-esque role.
- The leak in MI6 is revealed to have come (mistakenly) from Tanner. Bond, as a favor, allows him to commit suicide rather than be publicly humiliated.
- Yes, there is a cat.
- Mr. White is in the film and is revealed to be a high ranking member of SPECTRE who was personally overseeing the operations into destroying Bond.
- Bond and M have several meetings. One in the beginning of the film where M chews Bond out and humiliates him in front of a lot of MI6 agents as well as later in the film after the MI6 leak in the middle of the night in a cemetary.
- Q gets abducted by SPECTRE and is tortured for Bond's location. He also has a very classic introductory scene in the film.
- There is a very classic feeling fist/gun fight aboard a train between Bond and Hinx.
- Bond/Moneypenny during their detective work in Tagiers find a photograph of Vesper and Blofeld/Oberhauser together.
- MI5 is trying to merge with and take over MI6.
- The film ends with Blofeld/Oberhauser dead and Bond wounded. In the hospital, Moneypenny tells him now that all of the prior events (of the Craig saga) are a closed book, perhaps he should finally "get a life". The final scene is Bond tossing his pistol into a river and driving off, seemingly retired.

Thank you

Some of it sounds good. Some of it sounds bloody awful. Especially Oberhauser's motive. That just sounds stupid, IMO.

 

[Gold Samurai]

And the 3 pages later apparently all was okay

One of the very trusted members over at Commander Bond posted this earlier this morning;

Right, I've done a lot of digging and calling in favours.

I've confirmed that these emails and apparent complaints about the script are from much earlier this year. The plot has changed substantially since then through six months of rewrites by four writers.

Issues have been solved to the satisfaction of the Bond team and the studios.

Of course, it's all down to personal taste about what they've kept, but trust me that it can't be as bad as feared

So we've been going around in circles for the past 8 pages

 

[The Joker]

Even if they just change the villain motive I'll be happy. I can live with the ending.....just.

 

[Loki882]

You missed page 3 of this thread

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=30275653&postcount=75


Someone posted it 2 days ago

Spoiler

The common link between Le Chiffre, Green, Silva and the deaths of Vesper and M are all tied to Franz Oberhauser (acting under the alias of Blofeld) who created SPECTRE as a means to enact revenge against James Bond because he grew up believing that his own father preferred James to himself, creating a never-ending hatred towards Bond. He dedicates himself to making sure James never has a life because he feels he was deprived of one and plans to publicly disgrace Bond by framing him for his fathers murder. However, over the course of running SPECTRE, Oberhauser has now become addicted to the strength and power his organization has given him. SPECTRE has been manipulating political strings, only communicating through telephones and delivering political favors of any nature to the heads of different countries (extortion, assassinations, ect) in exchange for more power.

General notes;
- Felix Leiter is in the film in a small, cameo-esque role.
- The leak in MI6 is revealed to have come (mistakenly) from Tanner. Bond, as a favor, allows him to commit suicide rather than be publicly humiliated.
- Yes, there is a cat.
- Mr. White is in the film and is revealed to be a high ranking member of SPECTRE who was personally overseeing the operations into destroying Bond.
- Bond and M have several meetings. One in the beginning of the film where M chews Bond out and humiliates him in front of a lot of MI6 agents as well as later in the film after the MI6 leak in the middle of the night in a cemetary.
- Q gets abducted by SPECTRE and is tortured for Bond's location. He also has a very classic introductory scene in the film.
- There is a very classic feeling fist/gun fight aboard a train between Bond and Hinx.
- Bond/Moneypenny during their detective work in Tagiers find a photograph of Vesper and Blofeld/Oberhauser together.
- MI5 is trying to merge with and take over MI6.
- The film ends with Blofeld/Oberhauser dead and Bond wounded. In the hospital, Moneypenny tells him now that all of the prior events (of the Craig saga) are a closed book, perhaps he should finally "get a life". The final scene is Bond tossing his pistol into a river and driving off, seemingly retired.

Spoiler

Some of that actually sounds pretty cool/good:

-Connecting all of the previous Craig-era villains through a single mastermind isn't a bad idea in theory at least.
-SPECTRE pulling the strings from the shadows sounds cool.
-Mr. White having a big role also sounds cool.
-Moneypenny having a more active role again, and the Q stuff, sounds interesting.
-The fight between Bond and Batista sounds awesome.
-Given that SPECTRE is a global organization, I'd like Felix to have a bigger role. Still seeing him again at all is still good.

However, some of it sounds BAD:

-M being so antagonistic toward Bond doesn't work for me. Especially given their interaction at the end of Skyfall.
-The Tanner thing sounds meh.
-Blofeld's motivations sound INCREDBLY lame.
-Destroying SPECTRE/killing off Blofeld after ONE movie also sounds really lame.
-That ending would makes no sense since Craig is signed on for Bond 25 already.

 

[StevieNicks1988]

Even if they just change the villain motive I'll be happy. I can live with the ending.....just.

The ending is absolutely terrible and a complete waste of screen time as well as the audience's time. We know for a fact

Spoiler

he wont be retired, seemingly or not, especially when 5 minutes later in the credits we see 'James Bond Will Return' like we always do.

It's completely ******ed. Almost like Logan or whoever came up with that idea forgot what franchise he was writing for.

 

[Loki882]

Again, Craig is already signed on for at least one more Bond film after this.

 

[StevieNicks1988]

Spoiler

Some of that actually sounds pretty cool/good:

-Connecting all of the previous Craig-era villains through a single mastermind isn't a bad idea in theory at least.
-SPECTRE pulling the strings from the shadows sounds cool.
-Mr. White having a big role also sounds cool.
-Moneypenny having a more active role again, and the Q stuff, sounds interesting.
-The fight between Bond and Batista sounds awesome.
-Given that SPECTRE is a global organization, I'd like Felix to have a bigger role. Still seeing him again at all is still good.

However, some of it sounds BAD:

-M being so antagonistic toward Bond doesn't work for me. Especially given their interaction at the end of Skyfall.
-The Tanner thing sounds meh.
-Blofeld's motivations sound INCREDBLY lame.
-Destroying SPECTRE/killing off Blofeld after ONE movie also sounds really lame.
-That ending would makes no sense since Craig is signed on for Bond 25 already.

Just so you (and anyone else who is following along) are aware and to clear things up a lil bit since a lot of this thread is a bunch of back and forth and utter confusion;

Spoiler

All this is according to a recent draft of the script so might have changed, might have not.

- M is antagonistic towards Bond because a subplot of the film involves MI5 merging with MI6 and Andrew Scott's character (the head of MI5) trying to oust M from his position. His anger towards Bond comes from the beginning of the film (our pre-title sequence) which shows Bond on an operation in Mexico City in which he ****s up and somehow gets a nice sized portion of the city destroyed. By his hand or a villains its unknown at this time.
- The Tanner thing I think is eliminated by this draft because they mention another mole by name who is now someone other than Tanner, who is officially part of the cast.
- Mr. White isn't a big role, its supporting and probably equal to about half of his screentime in Royale. Although he is revealed to be a high ranking member in SPECTRE, his role in the film is minimal.
- As of this portion of the script, Felix Leiter and his CIA partner are not mentioned and I think may have been eliminated from the script, simply due to too many subplots and a bloated feeling of allies.
- I honestly have no idea what official name they are going with for Waltz. I'm guessing Stockmann is cut due to the mention of Oberhauser in press stuff. But it's clear he's Blofeld due to all of the Sony execs name-dropping him constantly in back-and-forth emails but who knows which alias is real and whether Oberhauser is Blofeld or Blofeld is Oberhauser.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The Tanner thing....lol. didn't know Bond was into the Samurai culture.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's from the novella Octopussy, I believe.

 

[Iceman]

Again, Craig is already signed on for at least one more Bond film after this.

After that he must be catching up to Connery & Moore for total Bond films?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Connery did 6, Moore did 7.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

After that he must be catching up to Connery & Moore for total Bond films?

Moore- 7
Connery- 6
Craig- Filming his 4th

One problem I have with the spoilers is it feels like the same idea they used for all of Craig's Bonds. The rebirth of Bond as the man we know and reiterating his and MI6 importance to the world. At some point that needs to stop.

 

[antsman41]

The rumored ending sounds like a Dirty Harry rip off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The rumored ending sounds like a Dirty Harry rip off.

I hadn't think about it that way, but you are right on the money.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm not freaking out about this like some people. We all know Mendes cited concerns with early versions of the script, and set out for them to be rectified. He wouldn't start until he was satisfied. The villain's motivation is really the only big concern I have. The rest sounds workable to me, and rooted in the spirit of Fleming's Bond. And largely, it's all in the execution.

 

[Octoberist]

I wouldn't freak out either. We'll see.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not freaking out about this like some people. We all know Mendes cited concerns with early versions of the script, and set out for them to be rectified. He wouldn't start until he was satisfied. The villain's motivation is really the only big concern I have. The rest sounds workable to me, and rooted in the spirit of Fleming's Bond. And largely, it's all in the execution.

Uh, pretty sure they didn't have much choice after the first delay. There was a final deadline on this. They couldn't postpone it anymore and get it out in time for next October.

 

[Iceman]

Connery did 6, Moore did 7.

Moore- 7
Connery- 6
Craig- Filming his 4th

One problem I have with the spoilers is it feels like the same idea they used for all of Craig's Bonds. The rebirth of Bond as the man we know and reiterating his and MI6 importance to the world. At some point that needs to stop.

Cool so after his next one he'll be 1 behind Connery. Wonder how long he wants to go on for.

 

[AnneFan]

Uh, pretty sure they didn't have much choice after the first delay. There was a final deadline on this. They couldn't postpone it anymore and get it out in time for next October.

There have been rewrites, particularly for the third act and punching up certain parts. It seems very deliberate and not just due to delays, etc. It wasn't a big secret people associated with the project had issues with Logan's script. I think we can see why.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There have been rewrites, particularly for the third act and punching up certain parts. It seems very deliberate and not just due to delays, etc. It wasn't a big secret people associated with the project had issues with Logan's script. I think we can see why.

I am not disagreeing, but that doesn't mean they could delay it anymore. They had to start filming.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Cool so after his next one he'll be 1 behind Connery. Wonder how long he wants to go on for.

They want him to go for a Moore type run, but I think Craig himself would probably prefer to end it at 5 or 6.

 

[AnneFan]

I could see him doing six, but half expect him to end at five. Seven would be pushing things, I think, especially if there's three year gaps in between. However, it is important, especially with Craig, to judge how he looks and not the age itself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I could see him doing six, but half expect him to end at five. Seven would be pushing things, I think, especially if there's three year gaps in between. However, it is important, especially with Craig, to judge how he looks and not the age itself.

I think 5 is the most likely end point as well, but hopefully I am wrong and he still looks the part after and continues.

 

[Iceman]

They want him to go for a Moore type run, but I think Craig himself would probably prefer to end it at 5 or 6.

I think he'd look alright but of course if he wants to move on that's fine. Been a great Bond already and really given the series a shot in the arm and taken it to the next level.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I not worry about third act being rewrite......there is still lot of time to shoot and I sure the scene can be adjusted as they shoot.....There always a chance something on paper do not work on screen....I doubt Bond is the only movie that has done rewrite along the way.