James Bond: 007 - Spectre - Part 5

[Tg11]

If anyone should play the next Bond after Craig, it should be Fassbender or Joel Edgerton as the next Bond

 

[Black Narcissus]

I want to get into the books.

Where should I start?

 

[Hunter Rider]

I want to get into the books.

Where should I start?

A Library!

 

[Black Narcissus]

A Library!

Now I know where to send the shh lawyers for you.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Now I know where to send the shh lawyers for you.

 

[StevieNicks1988]

I want to get into the books.

Where should I start?

The beginning. If you really want to read the books, I'd stay with the books set in the 50s/60s as everything else past that really stretches things. With that noted, I prefer to read them with the short stories in canonical order but I suggest;

Casino Royale (Fleming)
Live and Let Die (Fleming)
Moonraker (Fleming)
Diamonds Are Forever (Fleming)
From Russia with Love (Fleming)
Dr. No (Fleming)
Goldfinger (Fleming)
Risico (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
Quantum of Solace (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
The Hildebrand Rarity (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
From a View to a Kill (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
For Your Eyes Only (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
Thunderball (Fleming)
Octopussy (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
The Living Daylights (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
The Property of a Lady (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
007 in New York (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
The Spy Who Loved Me (Fleming)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Fleming)
You Only Live Twice (Fleming)
The Man with the Golden Gun (Fleming)
Colonel Sun (Amis/Markham)
Devil May Care (Faulks)
Solo (Boyd)

 

[Black Narcissus]

The beginning. If you really want to read the books, I'd stay with the books set in the 50s/60s as everything else past that really stretches things. With that noted, I prefer to read them with the short stories in canonical order but I suggest;

Casino Royale (Fleming)
Live and Let Die (Fleming)
Moonraker (Fleming)
Diamonds Are Forever (Fleming)
From Russia with Love (Fleming)
Dr. No (Fleming)
Goldfinger (Fleming)
Risico (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
Quantum of Solace (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
The Hildebrand Rarity (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
From a View to a Kill (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
For Your Eyes Only (Short from For Your Eyes Only) [Fleming]
Thunderball (Fleming)
Octopussy (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
The Living Daylights (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
The Property of a Lady (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
007 in New York (Short from Octopussy & The Living Daylights) [Fleming]
The Spy Who Loved Me (Fleming)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Fleming)
You Only Live Twice (Fleming)
The Man with the Golden Gun (Fleming)
Colonel Sun (Amis/Markham)
Devil May Care (Faulks)
Solo (Boyd)

Thank ya very much.

The Craig films follow any of the books page per page? What book covers Spectre?

 

[StevieNicks1988]

Thank ya very much.

The Craig films follow any of the books page per page? What book covers Spectre?

None page per page. Casino Royale obviously borrows scenes here and there but a lot of them were modernized and a lot of newer material was added so they just took ideas basically. Quantum and Skyfall don't really borrow too much of anything but Spectre looks like it's probably going to borrow pretty heavily from a lot of imagery and ideas from OHMSS.

Out of all the Bond films, I'd probably say the ones that stayed the most faithful with the most minor changes are Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball and OHMSS.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Skyfall isn't based on anything from a Fleming novel, nor QoS, sans the title. QoS is actually a really tame story that isn't even about Bond, but I love it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Skyfall kind of has some thematic similarities with Flemings "The Man with the Golden Gun." with Bond coming back from the dead and trying to get himself back up to scratch against a superior opponent.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Yes, but for the most part it is its own beast. It also has Bond being the closest to how Fleming described him.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It is definitely it's own thing, but the screenwriters did look to TMWTGG as inspiration because the Christopher Lee film didnt reflect the Fleming novel. So if one wanted to read one of the series that reflected some of the themes and ideas that Skyfall suggested, then TMWTGG is where you'd go.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Fair enough. Sucks that MWGG sucked as a movie too.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah, Lee himself was the only thing that worked in that film.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Aaaaabsolutely 100% correct.

 

[DarkKnight88]

If anyone should play the next Bond after Craig, it should be Fassbender or Joel Edgerton as the next Bond

I hope they go with a choice like Daniel Craig. Someone nobody has ever mentioned and that will piss off a portion of people. Craig became one of the best because he was so outside of the box.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Well I can't say that I am a die hard Bond fan but I have been a fan of the character since the 90s'. When I was younger Goldeneye for the N64 is what introduced me to the character. Pierce Brosnan was good as Bond but Daniel Craig was FANTASTIC as Bond. I remember when people were hating on Craig saying stupid crap about him not having Bond' s good looks and his hair color being wrong or something. I think Iris Elba would be a great variation of James Bond as well, or I could see him as a supporting agent in a future movie. It's no question that he could do the character justice acting wise, but its the issue of some of the fans who feel as though characters have to stay a certain way in every iteration of the series/ franchise.

But I will say that Guardian of the Galaxy director James Gunn did point out a valid complaint with the Bond movies as a whole . They follow the same formula every single time. Not knocking the movies (as I do like the Bond films) but if you seen one Bond film you pretty much seen them all. I haven't seen all 20 something Bond movies but the best of the bunch in my opinion are Casino Royale and Skyfall. Those two movies really did something different with the character and giving him more depth and backstory. In the rest of the movies I seen he is this one dimensional character. I hope Spectre follows Casino Royale and Skyfall's method of really digging into the psychology of Bond and what makes this character tick etc.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think it will. I think audience's expectations to a Bond film have shifted over the years. I for one am tired of the formula. I don't mind having some of the classic tropes, but you gotta shake it up. Skyfall really was perfect to me. It had the fun, classic Bond elements, some of which suggested, and at the same time was a real character driven movie where Bond changed. Skyfall Manor still stays with me.

 

[antsman41]

Only took me 6 years, after they discounted them... to get a whole collection.

Spoiler

 

[chamber-music]

I think it will. I think audience's expectations to a Bond film have shifted over the years. I for one am tired of the formula. I don't mind having some of the classic tropes, but you gotta shake it up. Skyfall really was perfect to me. It had the fun, classic Bond elements, some of which suggested, and at the same time was a real character driven movie where Bond changed. Skyfall Manor still stays with me.

I feel the same.

Acknowledge the tropes but don't be slaves to them.

Craig's Bond is tough but still seems vulnerable which is great.

The Bond films tend to reflect the times they are made.

 

[The Batman]

Hypothetical question: Its 1954; you're a TV executive. Would you tell Ian Fleming to his face that Bond should be American knowing full well he's dead against such a change? Because that's what went down when CBS did their adaptation of Casino Royale

I don't care, Jason. This whole discussion has been filled with knee jerk reactions, lame jokes, and strawman arguments...like the one you're trying to set up now, so I can't be bothered to debate this further when I can't take you all seriously.

EDIT: Thankfully, the thread has moved on from the discussion anyway.

 

[Tg11]

Craig's Bond reminds us a lot of Connery's Bond but also he channels Roger Moore's Bond too if that is even possible

 

[DKDetective]

If anyone should play the next Bond after Craig, it should be Fassbender or Joel Edgerton as the next Bond

Fassbender would be perfect, but sadly he is not much younger than Craig, which might make it tough for him to have a decent length run if Craig does do Bond 25 or 26. Fassbender looks shockingly like Fleming's commissioned portrait of Bond and is the exact same height, weight and build as the literary Bond. His ethnic background is very similar Bond's, being half-Irish, half-German whereas Bond is half-Scottish, half-Swiss, which also has the benefit that Fassbender speaks the same languages as the literary Bond and we could get some neat espionage scenes with Bond switching into German or French with contacts or what have you.

 

[Silvermoth]

I feel the same.

Acknowledge the tropes but don't be slaves to them.

Craig's Bond is tough but still seems vulnerable which is great.

The Bond films tend to reflect the times they are made.

Yes, all the best eternal characters like batman and the doctor from doctor who succeed because they reflect the era they are in

 

[vanson]

Yeah, Lee himself was the only thing that worked in that film.

I think this guy will object..