Jay Z or Eminem???!!!

[Colossal Spoons]

If I have 10 CDs from an artist and they're all good, doesn't that make him a better emcee that the guy who put out 2 good CDs out of 10? Our opinions of the respective artists excluded, just talkin math here

I love the "Em destroyed Jay on Renegade" thing. Em made the beat! Why wouldn't he make a beat he'd be sick on?

 

[knowsbleed]

So you're pretty much calling Em a fluke emcee. No.

And Em may have made the beat... but it was Jay's album. Come weak on your own album?

 

[bunk]

Wrong... just because Jay has put out album after album with the same (boring IMO) style doesn't make him a better emcee lyrically. Its apparent when they duet together, Em destroys him on his own track without even trying to.

Actually he had been trying for his entire career to rap the way he did on that song. He was trying very hard. It took him that long to finally learn how to flow like that. Who knows how long he had that beat before bringing it to Jay anyhow.

 

[bunk]

If I have 10 CDs from an artist and they're all good, doesn't that make him a better emcee that the guy who put out 2 good CDs out of 10? Our opinions of the respective artists excluded, just talkin math here

I love the "Em destroyed Jay on Renegade" thing. Em made the beat! Why wouldn't he make a beat he'd be sick on?

Right, the "math" concept is exactly why there's no doubt he tops Nas. Nas has one great album, and a couple good ones. You just can't compare. At least with Em you can put the Eminem Show against pretty much any one album Jay has made but you still have to step back and look at the whole picture.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

So you're pretty much calling Em a fluke emcee. No.

And Em may have made the beat... but it was Jay's album. Come weak on your own album?

Nonono, I wasn't even talking about Jay and Em anymore, just numbers

It was originally a collaboration between Eminem and Royce da 5'9" as part of the Bad Meets Evil series, but Royce was later replaced by Jay-Z.[1] The original can be found on mixtapes and has leaked onto the internet.

Song wasn't even supposed to have anything to do w/ Jay

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Right, the "math" concept is exactly why there's no doubt he tops Nas. Nas has one great album, and a couple good ones. You just can't compare. At least with Em you can put the Eminem Show against pretty much any one album Jay has made but you still have to step back and look at the whole picture.

I'm a huge fan of The Eminem Show. Like that album more than the oh-so-popular Slim Shady LP.

I think Nas is such a joke :

 

[knowsbleed]

Get off HOVA'S BOZACK!!



no, but seriously, what it boils down to is that I don't put either one of these guys in my top 5 favorite emcee list. Maybe not even top 10.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not as well versed in older hip hop as some you older cats. Jay got my into rap so I ****s w/ him

Luda and Em used to be on his tail before they fell off HARD. Release Therapy made me cry.

 

[bunk]

I'm a huge fan of The Eminem Show. Like that album more than the oh-so-popular Slim Shady LP.

I think Nas is such a joke :

Eminem Show is a masterpiece really. As for Nas...yeah I have no idea where he pulled Illmatic from.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Mashal Mathers LP was just insane. Not Slim Shady insane, I think there were like 70000 more angry white kids in the suburbs thanks to that CD.

 

[Crook]

Song wasn't even supposed to have anything to do w/ Jay

Thanks for proving the point.

Em's verses were unchanged, though it was re-recorded for the Blueprint under a slightly more polished flow. Which means, there was no excuse for Jay to not top the verse, considering he heard the entire thing beforehand.

 

[knowsbleed]

Eminem Show is a masterpiece really. As for Nas...yeah I have no idea where he pulled Illmatic from.

You're really sleeping on Nas if you feel Illmatic is his only quality album.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Just goes to show that Jay isn't as good as Doom or Batman w/ prep-time

 

[Crook]

Just goes to show that Jay isn't as good as Doom or Batman w/ prep-time

If he can't top Em even after having the chance to preview an entire verse, then it's doubtful he ever could. That's all there is to it.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. Em in his hey-day merked everyone that had a guest spot with him. Jay still ripped the track. He just could not stand up to Slim.

 

[bunk]

You're really sleeping on Nas if you feel Illmatic is his only quality album.

I said he had one great album, (arguably a masterpiece) a couple of good, or quality ones.

Am I the only person who was disappointed with both of them on the song they did for American Gangster? They phoned that one in.

 

[Crook]

Yeah, that song was......meh.

Black Republican is a monumental song though. Lived up to the hype, those 2 ripped the hell outta the beat.

 

[StrainedEyes]

If he can't top Em even after having the chance to preview an entire verse, then it's doubtful he ever could. That's all there is to it.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with that. Em in his hey-day merked everyone that had a guest spot with him. Jay still ripped the track. He just could not stand up to Slim.

There are also plenty of rumors that Em helped Jay write his verses for Renegade.

 

[Cmill216]

Consistency equates to being a better emcee?

Well.....yeah.

It's like comparing a guy who can spit these crazy verses over a couple of albums, but then creatively falls off majorly, to a guy who spits good s*** over the course of 12 years. Sure that latter guy has had his misses, but he's had far more hits to make up for it.

 

[bunk]

There are also plenty of rumors that Em helped Jay write his verses for Renegade.

Hahaha! Their both ghostwriters, that doesn't even make sense.

 

[Godman]

Well.....yeah.

It's like comparing a guy who can spit these crazy verses over a couple of albums, but then creatively falls off majorly, to a guy who spits good s*** over the course of 12 years. Sure that latter guy has had his misses, but he's had far more hits to make up for it.

it's easy to make hits when u sell out to what teenagers want and average consumer demand in floss talk, money, money, cars and collateral, instead of what's important. That is why technically Lupe and Common are better emcees than Jay cause they don't compromise.

 

[Crook]

One can make the argument that an emcee encompasses everything a rap artist should attain to be, and that includes not being in a niche and being able to reach the masses.

 

[Mutagen]

I voted Eminem because he won an Oscar, and because I could never really get into Jay-Z's music, his world doesn't connect to me. Well neither does Eminem as a I grow older and listen more and more, but that doesn't mean as a punk he didn't meant something to me.

Eminem was bigger in my world, and therefore carries my vote.

 

[Cmill216]

it's easy to make hits when u sell out to what teenagers want and average consumer demand in floss talk, money, money, cars and collateral, instead of what's important. That is why technically Lupe and Common are better emcees than Jay cause they don't compromise.

....

The music business hate me
'Cause the industry ain't make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me
And the music I be makin'
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold, truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyrically, Talib Kweli
Truthfully I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did 5 Mill)
I ain't been rhymin like Common since

Granted, I've never been overly impressed by Jay's choice in subject matter, but when the dude said some real s***, he said some real s***. And regardless, his flow is impeccable, no matter what he's spitting about.

Again, it's like I said earlier, Em's best moments absolutely piss all over Jay's best. Songs like "Stan", "The Way I Am", "Sing For The Moment". Classics. However, Em also had some ridiculously low lows ("Just Lose It" and "My Band", anyone?) Whereas with Jay, his best moments may not make the hair on you neck stand up, but he brought the goods in the beginning of his career (Reasonable Doubt), the middle (Blueprint and The Black Album), and up to today (American Gangster).

 

[CeeJay]

Jay Z all the way. Not even a question!

 

[StrainedEyes]

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Granted, I've never been overly impressed by Jay's choice in subject matter, but when the dude said some real s***, he said some real s***. And regardless, his flow is impeccable, no matter what he's spitting about.

Again, it's like I said earlier, Em's best moments absolutely piss all over Jay's best. Songs like "Stan", "The Way I Am", "Sing For The Moment". Classics. However, Em also had some ridiculously low lows ("Just Lose It" and "My Band", anyone?) Whereas with Jay, his best moments may not make the hair on you neck stand up, but he brought the goods in the beginning of his career (Reasonable Doubt), the middle (Blueprint and The Black Album), and up to today (American Gangster).

I am a huge Em fan, but any list of low lows that doesn't include Fack, is just plain wrong. *shudders* Just Lose It and My Band were catchy and fun, Fack is insane.

A lot of Em's best verses were on featuring songs, he has a lot of classic verses floating out there.