Apocalypse Jennifer Lawrence Could Be... Anybody? - The Mystique Thread

[DACrowe]

I've never seen Winter's Bone, American Hustle*, or Silver Linings.

After her bad performance in FC, her great acting in Catching Fire impressed me. Helped a lot that it was a much better movie than the first Hunger Games. But I just recently saw MockingJay Part 1 and we're back to some bad line deliveries again.

Based on the (admittedly few) performances I've seen her in, I think she's a very hit or miss actress.

*People have said she was miscast in American Hustle (Oscar nomination and all) in that she's just much too young to be playing Bale's unstable wife. Reminds me of the complaints about her Mystique role.

American Hustle is a very campy performance, but also a fun one. But yes, she was probably too young for it. She is fantastic, however, in Winter's Bone and really impressive in Silver Linings.

I honestly do think that most of the criticism though for her in the First Class films has more to do with her character being such a departure from both how Romijn played her and how she is depicted in the comics. But since I like the idea of her being more of a child of both Charles and Erik rather than just another henchman for Magneto, it does not bother me at all.

 

[GuestStar2004]

To be honest I have heard people blame Lawrence for so many things about the X-Men FC and DOFP that it feels like people are blaming her more for being this actress that gets so much praise and attention

It's like when people say she was mostly human form in DOFP because she is Jennifer Lawrence but when you really think about it she really wasn't in that form all that much

And People have blamed her for rogue being cut, people have blamed her for being the villain in the movie based on the comic where mystique was the villain, she has been blamed by some for the off screen FC characters being killed so she could get more screen time, heck I have even seen people blame her for over shadowing Hugh jackman in his own franchise which is silly

it just seems like people need to stop obsessing that she is Jennifer Lawrence

 

[Majik1387]

Only thing I blame her for is the make up issues.

 

[Mechanix]

To be honest I have heard people blame Lawrence for so many things about the X-Men FC and DOFP that it feels like people are blaming her more for being this actress that gets so much praise and attention

It's like when people say she was mostly human form in DOFP because she is Jennifer Lawrence but when you really think about it she really wasn't in that form all that much

And People have blamed her for rogue being cut, people have blamed her for being the villain in the movie based on the comic where mystique was the villain, she has been blamed by some for the off screen FC characters being killed so she could get more screen time, heck I have even seen people blame her for over shadowing Hugh jackman in his own franchise which is silly

it just seems like people need to stop obsessing that she is Jennifer Lawrence

My issues with Lawrence have nothing to do with who she is, but how she acts. She doesn't play the role well, IMO. It has nothing to do with her star power and everything to do with her cringe worthy delivery of her lines.

I like how fans get all bent out of shape if people criticise an actor's performance that they personally enjoy. There is no vendetta or ulterior motives. Lawrence is just an awkward Mystique. FC was truly awful in that sense. DOFP was better, but I think it had more to do with Lawrence being in blue than with her acting chops.

 

[GuestStar2004]

DOFP was better, but I think it had more to do with Lawrence being in blue than with her acting chops.

That's certainly a weird way of looking at it

 

[Mechanix]

That's certainly a weird way of looking at it

Because she talked less. It seems when she's in blue form, they want to show off her action skills (which makes sense). She talks more in normal form.

I don't understand why they can't just have the bad-ass assassin and Raven in the same blue form. In normal form, she's portrayed as much more human but in blue form, she's more of the ass kicker. I'm not a fan of the dichotomy just because it wasn't necessary in the comics. I get the whole thing about her truly becoming Mystique (meaning she's always in blue form), but I feel like that defeats the purpose of what the mutants are trying to achieve, which is acceptance. It's like they're saying that the "good" Raven is in normal form, whereas the cold hearted assassin is in blue form.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Because she talked less. It seems when she's in blue form, they want to show off her action skills (which makes sense). She talks more in normal form.

What bout even when she did talk in blue form? like rescuing havok and co, or in paris or the final with her about to kill the president? still better?

 

[psylockolussus]

Sorry lawrence is good in other roles but she is seriously lacking as mystique.

Jennifer Lawrence was awesome in the Hunger Games and there's a reason why she got Oscar nods for her performance in Winter's Bones and American Hustle. But as Mystique, she's totally not fit for the role. I think Jennifer Lawrence's more fitted to the hero role. Over-all, Jennifer Lawrence is probably better as an actress than Rebecca Romijn, but as Mystique, Rebecca Romijn trumps Jennifer Lawrence.

I also think people are genuinely basing her performances as Mystique in the X-Men movies that she appeared in. It has nothing to do with people's personal opinions about her or her star power. And it has nothing to do with people preferring the original cast because thats not just true at all and this post was clearly insinuating that.

I'm going to honest - I feel like most of this dislike for Lawrence in the role is simply because people don't like her personally as an actress or because they have some nostalgia for the old Mystique from the OT.

Geez Yeah its just all nostalgia.

 

[Mechanix]

What bout even when she did talk in blue form? like rescuing havok and co, or in paris or the final with her about to kill the president? still better?

Short, sweet lines. All of her more meaningful dialogue happens in her normal form. Like that is the "true" Raven.


I guess what I'm trying to say is that I prefer the blue Mystique because she has less dialogue and therefore, we're spared Lawrence's iffy acting. I don't like the Raven/Mystique dichotomy that was created because of the insinuation that Raven is a villain in her blue form and good in her normal form. But whatever.

 

[psylockolussus]

I just think when Raven's in blue form or when she's having a moment with Professor X... she loses the "Mystique" factor. Its like she's playing a different character.

Some of her scenes in the First Class also didn't feel Mystique too, like coming up with codenames, crying hysterically when Azazel/Riptide were killing people... seriously is that Mystique in the comics? I imagined a young Mystique as cold, reserved, not too open to people or to her fellow mutants. She can still be an anti-hero with that attitude.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I remember just before DOFP was released there were people that were saying james mcavoy wasn't a good xavier because he had hair and because he acted a little more like a younger guy would, like flirting and being kinda cocky and i remember having to explain several times to people that this is younger version of xavier but alot of people just couldn't wrap their heads around the change and they often confused change with doing it wrong or doing it badly

and in that fasion i do wonder how the new cyclops,jean and storm will be received since according to singer they also are playing opposites developing into the characters we know so it certainly will be interesting

 

[CyclopsSummers]

We have to know what happens to Wolverine at the end of DOFP. What did Mystique do with Logan ?

 

[CaptainWagner]

To be honest I have heard people blame Lawrence for so many things about the X-Men FC and DOFP that it feels like people are blaming her more for being this actress that gets so much praise and attention

It's like when people say she was mostly human form in DOFP because she is Jennifer Lawrence but when you really think about it she really wasn't in that form all that much

And People have blamed her for rogue being cut, people have blamed her for being the villain in the movie based on the comic where mystique was the villain, she has been blamed by some for the off screen FC characters being killed so she could get more screen time, heck I have even seen people blame her for over shadowing Hugh jackman in his own franchise which is silly

it just seems like people need to stop obsessing that she is Jennifer Lawrence

It's like the "Everything is Samuel Jackson's Fault" video. Everything Is Jennifer Lawrence's Fault.

 

[BeholdMe]

I'm not hating on Lawrence just because I like the OT better, because I'm happy about the FC cast to clarify. She just isn't good as Mystique as someone said it's very hit or miss with her there's nothing great about her performance as Mystique except when she is kicking butt.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I like how fans get all bent out of shape if people criticise an actor's performance that they personally enjoy. There is no vendetta or ulterior motives. Lawrence is just an awkward Mystique. FC was truly awful in that sense. DOFP was better, but I think it had more to do with Lawrence being in blue than with her acting chops.

It's the opposite of Halle Berry's issue in that most people hate her (mostly in the Storm role) and so these same people defending JLaw's iffy acting that some of us are calling out won't do the same kind of defending for Halle.

This whole "Are you Charles' Raven or are you Mystique?" thing that they've painted themselves into the corner also goes against the whole idea of the X-men...Beautiful mutants are good. Ugly mutants are bad. You know...considering they've already resolved this in FC. The only reason she transforms into JLaw is because they hired JLaw to play her. So they want to get the most out of her, acting-wise and marketing-wise. During the hospital scene in DOFP she could've been anybody. Ditto for the scene in the train station where she corners Magneto. Airport. Vietnam where this male soldier just morphs into a blonde woman inexplicaby (and out in the open).

Like I said I get it. They want to get the most out of her. But people still come up with the most nonsensical excuses. Someone actually said maybe she morphs into JLaw because she's more comfortable in that form.

Thank god we have Nightcrawler. Beast should hopefully wrap up his physical issues soon.

 

[GuestStar2004]

This whole "Are you Charles' Raven or are you Mystique?" thing that they've painted themselves into the corner also goes against the whole idea of the X-men...Beautiful mutants are good. Ugly mutants are bad. You know...considering they've already resolved this in FC. The only reason she transforms into JLaw is because they hired JLaw to play her. So they want to get the most out of her, acting-wise and marketing-wise. During the hospital scene in DOFP she could've been anybody. Ditto for the scene in the train station where she corners Magneto. Airport. Vietnam where this male soldier just morphs into a blonde woman inexplicaby (and out in the open).

As i pointed out they found an excuse to make hank normal again and they found an excuse for charles to walk again in DOFP, charles still has hair even though mcavoy shaved it off, eric has gone off to be magneto twice like he finally become the villain then somehow ends up in prison or with a family so if anything that should tell you bryan and kinberg are not ready to end those arcs yet, well at least till the end of X-Men: Apocalypse

and you can say they painted themselves into a corner but i am pretty sure they do not care because they can do what the hell they like

Like I said I get it. They want to get the most out of her. But people still come up with the most nonsensical excuses. Someone actually said maybe she morphs into JLaw because she's more comfortable in that form.

Yeah i believe that was me that said she would be most comfortable in her raven form when she was looking normal and i don't see how thats odd since its a version of her identity rather then just being different random people all the time so its only odd if you seem to believe one speech from magneto will change her past

and you was the one who seemed to believe they cut rogue because of mystique so we kinda know what your view of lawrence and mystique is so i wouldn't expect you to look at it from any other prospective apart from it was all for lawrence

 

[EnDz0n3]

As i pointed out they found an excuse to make hank normal again and they found an excuse for charles to walk again in DOFP, charles still has hair even though mcavoy shaved it off, eric has gone off to be magneto twice like he finally become the villain then somehow ends up in prison or with a family so if anything that should tell you bryan and kinberg are not ready to end those arcs yet, well at least till the end of X-Men: Apocalypse

Then there's a problem with the franchise if they keep going back to status quo and not let these characters evolve past that.

Luckily that's not the problem. FC ended with Xavier being crippled and no resolution was brought on to that. Beast didn't have a spotlight scene showing he's accepted his blue self. Mystique, on the other hand, had that weird 360 turnaround shot of her in Xavier's kitchen in FC, butt-naked, shoddy make up and all.

And of course, who can forget "Mutant and Proud!"

and you can say they painted themselves into a corner but i am pretty sure they do not care because they can do what the hell they like

So does that mean we should just accept it?

What an idiotic thing to say on a message board...

I bet you'd ***** to the high heavens if they killed off Psylocke, Angel and Deadpool.

Yeah i believe that was me that said she would be most comfortable in her raven form when she was looking normal and i don't see how thats odd since its a version of her identity rather then just being different random people all the time so its only odd if you seem to believe one speech from magneto will change her past

and you was the one who seemed to believe they cut rogue because of mystique so we kinda know what your view of lawrence and mystique is so i wouldn't expect you to look at it from any other prospective apart from it was all for lawrence

Also punctuation is your friend.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Then there's a problem with the franchise if they keep going back to status quo and not let these characters evolve past that.

Luckily that's not the problem. FC ended with Xavier being crippled and no resolution was brought on to that. Beast didn't have a spotlight scene showing he's accepted his blue self. Mystique, on the other hand, had that weird 360 turnaround shot of her in Xavier's kitchen in FC, butt-naked, shoddy make up and all.

Not really you could have ended X-Men First class on just that film with hank as beast, xavier in the wheel chair making his before you know i'l go bald joke, magneto becoming the bad guy with raven by his side but no instead magneto was in prison and almost has to start again, xavier took drugs to walk, hank took drugs to look normal, mystique went back to raven and went rogue.

I think from your view they should just have forgot everything FC set up and went forward the moment she walked into the kitchen naked in FC but lets be honest that was never likely to happen and clearly the idea is that she is in the middle of good and bad, raven for the good side with charles who she grew up with and mystique the bad whose in the same league as magneto.

And no you don't have to accept it if you don't want but its not gonna change anything.

I bet you'd ***** to the high heavens if they killed off Psylocke, Angel and Deadpool.

Would you seriously put it past them?

 

[Mechanix]

FC ended with Mystique in her blue form. To me, she accepted who and what she is and how she looks. Like that ridiculous "Mutant and proud" line of hers suggested, she was ready to be who she is. This whole going back to normal form like some sort of personality disorder undermines the character. It's why I'm hoping she'll be mostly blue in Apocalypse. She spent the majority of DOFP in her blue form, so for her to go back to her normal form in Apoc would just be stupid. I don't see her changing into her blue form as her "suiting up," either. Which is, unfortunately, what they seem to be going for.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Would you seriously put it past them?

So why are you chastising people (and me specifically) for something that I think they're doing wrong?

 

[Frankeh]

Morphing into Raven to blend in doesn't fit as an excuse after we've seen her inside the mansion as Raven, and inside a helicopter, going to probably battle, as Raven. Clearly there's something else going on there, and I understand why some are not liking it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

So why are you chastising people (and me specifically) for something that I think they're doing wrong?

Because i notice there is alot of blame going in the wrong direction with this things, instantly lawrences fame is getting the blame for what they done with her character while its very clear they haven't done much different charles,hank and eric since things have been developed in FC, pulled back and padded in DOFP and then pushed forward again with Apocalypse

 

[DACrowe]

Jennifer Lawrence was awesome in the Hunger Games and there's a reason why she got Oscar nods for her performance in Winter's Bones and American Hustle. But as Mystique, she's totally not fit for the role. I think Jennifer Lawrence's more fitted to the hero role. Over-all, Jennifer Lawrence is probably better as an actress than Rebecca Romijn, but as Mystique, Rebecca Romijn trumps Jennifer Lawrence.

I also think people are genuinely basing her performances as Mystique in the X-Men movies that she appeared in. It has nothing to do with people's personal opinions about her or her star power. And it has nothing to do with people preferring the original cast because thats not just true at all and this post was clearly insinuating that.



Geez Yeah its just all nostalgia.

I do not really think it is about her being famous for fans who dislike her as Mystique. At least not mostly beyond makeup concerns. I think it is the part that I bolded, that she is "better for hero roles."

I think Jennifer Lawrence has proven to be a really great actress and am sure she one day will play a true antagonist or villain with much glee (she already kind of did in American Hustle).

I think the issue for many is that her Mystique is more an anti-hero than a villain like Rebecca Romijn. But that is the direction of the script going all the way back to XFC and not the actor. Also, personally, I like that Mystique is a more complex character who was raised like a little sister by Xavier but who has wandered far from home. The prodigal child angle makes her much more dynamic than being Magneto's lackey. But I think being a henchman with a seductive smile is what most people want from her, which is not the part she was given.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Because i notice there is alot of blame going in the wrong direction with this things, instantly lawrences fame is getting the blame for what they done with her character while its very clear they haven't done much different charles,hank and eric since things have been developed in FC, pulled back and padded in DOFP and then pushed forward again with Apocalypse

I've already said my piece about what I think of JLaw's acting, in that she's a very hit or miss actress.

I haven't seen her Oscar nominated roles and I feel I don't have to, if she is so great as how she's purported to be.

I'm calling out bad line deliveries and just general bad acting. I'm also calling out bad excuses for showing her face in instances where they don't need to show us it's JLaw.

Fassbender is just as popular (kinda) but you won't see me complaining about him as he is actually delivering as the character.

 

[x-er]

but why not put her face in?? she could just poot through the film and they'd hit #1!!

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And I kinda like her use of her alter-ego. Would make her a juicy psych eval.