Jim Starlins Death of the New Gods

[fifthfiend]

Someday, in my perfect world, Kelly will come back to write both Superbooks and Superman-Batman and he will never leave.

Can he write JLA too?

Superman would have to go back to his original much lower powerset to do that sort of thing.

I am entirely aware of that.

I have to ask, why?

Isn't there enough people who do that?

There's hardly anybody who does that. In fact, basically nobody.

Batman maybe beats up a wife-beater once in a while. For the most part everyone fights the same mix of space gods and cackling maniacs.

 

[fifthfiend]

double post.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The fact that half of the DC universe lives in Gotham City might have something to do with the cackling maniacs part.

 

[yahman]

I'd put Kelly on Superman, leave Johns on Action (provided he stops writing everyone at the Daily Planet like their movie counterparts), and put Rucka on Superman/Batman, myself.

Id like to see what Robisnons going to do first. Id love to see Kelly on Superman Batman though. Its loose connections to continuity would really also him to let rip, making it different from his Superman run.

 

[fifthfiend]

The fact that half of the DC universe lives in Gotham City might have something to do with the cackling maniacs part.

I mean I'm including like, Doctor Light and Clock King and Deathstroke and Lex Luthor in the cackling maniacs category. I realize this ends up including a lot of guys who don't actually cackle.

...Actually Doctor Light probably belongs in the space-gods category as much as anywhere, these days.

But yeah mainly alls I'm saying is what superheroes mostly fight are supervillains of one style or another, leaving the ordinary slobs to deal with the actual problems of insurance companies and predatory lenders and union-busting employers and all that style of thing.

Hell even when Lex Luthor was Corporate Titan Lex Luthor, Superman mostly fought him in the context of the same old "building a doomsday robot" "sink the Eastern Seaboard" "build his own pet clone of Superman" stuff any standard-issue supervillain would do, and even then he could never quite do anything about it because he couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Lex had engineered these things so it was like 'oh well, guess I have to let the murderer go.' You'd never have seen Supes kick Lex's door in and be like "You just instructed your health insurance company to summarily reject claims regardless of legitimacy, and then used the money that should have gone to pay sick people's expenses to buy yourself a yacht! Take this you greedy SOB!" and clock Lex in the face.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I really liked the "fight" between Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne over Gotham's reconstruction after Cataclysm and No Man's Land.

 

[Spike_x1]

There was a short story in (I think) Superman #9 that I really enjoyed, way back when Byrne was still establishing who everyone was in the new Superman mythos, where Lex was just having breakfast at a small diner a ways away from Metropolis (the exact distance is actually the title of the story). Lex asks his waitress to sit and talk with him; he's done his research on her and knows that he life is painfully bland and full of mediocrity, so Luthor asks if she wants to run away with him to hang out with the richest guy in the world and have whatever she wants. Lex gives the waitress 5 minutes to decide, so she phones her simple mechanic husband and doesn't even speak to him before deciding that she wants to take Luthor up on his offer. Returning to Lex's table, she finds that he's already gone, even though the 5 minutes weren't up yet. As they're driving away, Lex and his chauffeur are talking about how he built up the waitress' hopes and then tore them down just for kicks.

Even without superheroes opposing him, Lex had some pretty sweet stories to his name.

 

[Anubis]

*****e bag, thy name is Lex.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, I remember hearing about that scenario before. Lex is a total dick.

 

[Harlekin]

That's awesome. Go Lex.

 

[Aristotle]

I want that chick to return and become a supervillain. Or maybe a superhero.

 

[yahman]

I want that chick to return and become a supervillain. Or maybe a superhero.

I want her to be the bodily host of the reincarnation of Granny Goodness, or maybe do your typical, sell your soul for powers Neron thingy.

 

[DavidTyler]

There was a short story in (I think) Superman #9 that I really enjoyed, way back when Byrne was still establishing who everyone was in the new Superman mythos, where Lex was just having breakfast at a small diner a ways away from Metropolis (the exact distance is actually the title of the story). Lex asks his waitress to sit and talk with him; he's done his research on her and knows that he life is painfully bland and full of mediocrity, so Luthor asks if she wants to run away with him to hang out with the richest guy in the world and have whatever she wants. Lex gives the waitress 5 minutes to decide, so she phones her simple mechanic husband and doesn't even speak to him before deciding that she wants to take Luthor up on his offer. Returning to Lex's table, she finds that he's already gone, even though the 5 minutes weren't up yet. As they're driving away, Lex and his chauffeur are talking about how he built up the waitress' hopes and then tore them down just for kicks.

Even without superheroes opposing him, Lex had some pretty sweet stories to his name.

Yeah! I remember that one well. It was a back-up story and it was back when Supes was a GREAT book.

I have no nostalgia for the silver age but I'd love to go back to this time period.

And I haven't been reading Death of the New Gods simply because I don't agree with the decision to do away with them. The problem has been right along that, after Jack, it had crappy writing and and inappropriate art. The New Gods needed stories that were huge in scope yet could come right down to street level and tell less epic stories. Jack may have not been the best writer but he certainly could do that.

 

[Anubis]

But they didn't do away with them.

 

[DavidTyler]

But they didn't do away with them.

?

so what's going on then?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

They're coming back as super-uber gods from the Fifth World now.

 

[yahman]

?

so what's going on then?

Reincarnation .... They re about as 'Dead' as the Marvel Asgardian Gods.
Read Mister Miracles 'Seven Soldiers', that seems to provide a good indications as to what the Contemporary New Gods will look like. Its a very American Gods esq take ....

 

[Kitsune]

Reincarnation .... They re about as 'Dead' as the Marvel Asgardian Gods.
Read Mister Miracles 'Seven Soldiers', that seems to provide a good indications as to what the Contemporary New Gods will look like. Its a very American Gods esq take ....

Interesting... searched for FIfth world and found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_World_(Native_American_mythology)

 

[fifthfiend]

Huh, neat. I wonder if that's where Kirby originally got the Fourth World idea.

 

[Aristotle]

There's an even better chance that's where Morrison got his Fifth World idea. He's into that kind of ****. "It's mystical and pre-civilized, so it must be cool!" It's one of the only things about his style that bothers me. Fortunately, he usually does such a good job with that kind of thing, weaving it deep into the subtext, that it ends up not being a problem.