Justice League JL Runtime Thread. Yay? Or Nay?

[kguillou]

Interesting, I could swear I've heard stories of studios putting out alternate versions of other movies that the directors really had no involvement with or even cared about. But I could be wrong.

 

[jmc]

Sony Pictures got into hot water a while back from the DGA for planning to make PG rated versions of R rated movies to show on commercial flights without consulting the directors of the films. I think for JL it gets murky. Whedon clearly had a big influence in the way this film turned out, yet Snyder is still credited as director. This is why I don't think you'll get an extended edition.

 

[kguillou]

Sony Pictures got into hot water a while back from the DGA for planning to make PG rated versions of R rated movies to show on commercial flights without consulting the directors of the films. I think for JL it gets murky. Whedon clearly had a big influence in the way this film turned out, yet Snyder is still credited as director. This is why I don't think you'll get an extended edition.

Why must you say such things?

 

[jmc]

Not trying to **** on anyones parade, just wanting to get the information out there.

 

[K-Rayner05]

Can someone post the josh trank tweet, but replace it with Zack Snyder?

 

[Jumpman]

Whedon did the film a service by cutting these scenes out. Needless subplots as cool as they might've been.

But aren't the needless subplots that were cut out due to the fact that as Snyder was making the film, the idea post-JUSTICE LEAGUE was for this to be a part 1 of 2 and some of the subplots led directly into Affleck's BATMAN film?

If so, it's not like Snyder was wrong to include the stuff. At the time, there was a different plan that made sense to what they were going to do later.

 

[Jumpman]

Sony Pictures got into hot water a while back from the DGA for planning to make PG rated versions of R rated movies to show on commercial flights without consulting the directors of the films. I think for JL it gets murky. Whedon clearly had a big influence in the way this film turned out, yet Snyder is still credited as director. This is why I don't think you'll get an extended edition.

On top of that, Snyder's done with this picture anyway. Why would he go back to it? It's his film, but not really his film.

 

[idiot09]

On top of that, Snyder's done with this picture anyway.

Maybe a deal was brokered, that they would have freedom to do what they wanted with the theatrical cut, and that Zack would have freedom with the home release director's cut. That's the only scenario. However I will admit, that chances of that happening are slim to none, because I dont know if WB would want that, or if Zack even wants to push for it.

 

[BH/HHH]

All I want is a good film if that leads to an extended cut or not on Home video then so be it. I do think think we may see some extended cut though simply because WBs releasing extended cuts for two of there DC movies has been very profitable for them.

 

[idiot09]

Also I would like to add that just because WB decided to change some aspects of the film after a internal screening, doesnt necessarily mean that previous version was bad, or the new one is better.

There have been many times in the past, and often with WB themselves, where they have shot themselves in the foot with the theatrical edition, and the director's orignal vision was much better. Blade Runner for example. Even Batman v Superman, and to some extent Suicide Squad. So its not a foregone conclusion.

We will probably never know. Imagine if we were only ever given the version of the Blade Runner with the voiceovers and believed that they "saved" the film in post production. Lol.

 

[BH/HHH]

Who knows maybe one day they’ll do a Snyder version in like a decade.

 

[Jumpman]

Maybe a deal was brokered, that they would have freedom to do what they wanted with the theatrical cut, and that Zack would have freedom with the home release director's cut. That's the only scenario. However I will admit, that chances of that happening are slim to none, because I dont know if WB would want that, or if Zack even wants to push for it.

Nope. WB’s not spending more on this film after this.

 

[idiot09]

Nope. WB’s not spending more on this film after this.

Do they have to? Zack already had a rough cut... plus he has his own production house.

 

[super85]

They could just release a different "extended cut" on homevideo. I mean those different screening reports had different running times right? Its not like the extended suicide squad Blu-Ray had much to do with David Ayer.

 

[The_Manhunter]

This runtime has me disappointed.

 

[ZackBop]

Yeah, there's a difference between "Director's cuts" and "Extended cuts." Director's cuts are supervised by the director and its their original vision of the film. Extended cuts are essentially the same film but longer, extended scenes and some deleted scenes added in. The studios usually put the extended cuts together with little to no supervision from the director.

Yep. A DC is a director's preferred version of the film (assuming it wasn't released theatrically), while an EC is just a longer version of the same film.

The UE of BvS and the EC of SS are pretty much perfect examples that highlight the difference between the two. The UE of BvS is Snyder's version of the movie. It's the same basic story, but it makes some fairly substantial changes (both story-wise and editing-wise). The EC of SS, on the other hand, is literally just a longer version of the same movie. That's why Ayer said he prefers the TC.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yep. A DC is a director's preferred version of the film (assuming it wasn't released theatrically), while an EC is just a longer version of the same film.

The UE of BvS and the EC of SS are pretty much perfect examples that highlight the difference between the two. The UE of BvS is Snyder's version of the movie. It's the same basic story, but it makes some fairly substantial changes (both story-wise and editing-wise). The EC of SS, on the other hand, is literally just a longer version of the same movie. That's why Ayer said he prefers the TC.

Sometimes more can make a film worse, sometimes it doesn’t change a film at all and sometimes it makes it better. For me as a DC fan those extra bits in Suicide Squad make it a little better.

 

[ZackBop]

Sometimes more can make a film worse, sometimes it doesn’t change a film at all and sometimes it makes it better. For me as a DC fan those extra bits in Suicide Squad make it a little better.

I prefer the TC of SS. The only extra scene that I liked in the EC was the longer bar scene.

But for me, that movie should be as quick and snappy as possible. The EC doesn't really add anything meaningful in terms of character or story (IMO).

 

[BH/HHH]

Something Jeremy Irons said some time ago:

Speaking with the Daily Mail (via CBM), Jeremy Irons minced no words in talking about the poor reviews for the Zack Snyder-helmed superhero smackdown, saying he found the less-than-glowing critical response to be warranted:

‘Deservedly so. I mean it took £800 million, so the kicking didn’t matter but it was sort of overstuffed…It was very muddled. I think the next one will be simpler. The script is certainly a lot smaller, it’s more linear.”

http://collider.com/jeremy-irons-batman-v-superman-reviews/

 

[kguillou]

Sometimes more can make a film worse, sometimes it doesn’t change a film at all and sometimes it makes it better. For me as a DC fan those extra bits in Suicide Squad make it a little better.

You know, its funny, they very recently released for the first time a 3 hour version of Superman The Movie on blu ray and I was crazy excited to see FORTY MINUTES of unseen footage put back into the movie.

And when I watched it....I couldnt finish it. Because it was literally just a much much longer version of the existing film. Every scene was just longer and dragged and the movie felt like it suddenly had no pacing. I was really disappointed with it. So, your right, more footage sometimes just means things are longer but there isnt any meat or substance necessarily added on.

 

[BH/HHH]

You know, its funny, they very recently released for the first time a 3 hour version of Superman The Movie on blu ray and I was crazy excited to see FORTY MINUTES of unseen footage put back into the movie.

And when I watched it....I couldnt finish it. Because it was literally just a much much longer version of the existing film. Every scene was just longer and dragged and the movie felt like it suddenly had no pacing. I was really disappointed with it. So, your right, more footage sometimes just means things are longer but there isnt any meat or substance necessarily added on.

I haven't bought that yet, I already think the longer version they released in 2001 is the definitive version so I wasn't rushing to buy a version that was simply longer.

 

[idiot09]

A quote from Mangold that might be appropriate :

“Tentpole movies in general … they are not movies, generally. They are bloated exercises in two-hour trailers for another movie they are going to sell you in two years. There are so many characters that each character gets an arc of about six-and-a-half minutes at best, and I’m not exaggerating. You take 120 minutes, you take 45 of it for action, what are you left with, divide it by six characters, you have the character arc of Elmer Fudd in a Warner Brothers cartoon. That formula is empty for me.”

 

[DieSmiling]

Personally I would have preferred longer but I think a shorter run time will work better on critics. Time will tell if that pays off.

 

[JohnReese]

Meh, as long as the film is great and tells an amazing story the runtime isn't an issue. I am quite confident this won't be like a X-Men: The Last Stand.

 

[BH/HHH]

Meh, as long as the film is great and tells an amazing story the runtime isn't an issue. I am quite confident this won't be like a X-Men: The Last Stand.

I certainly hope not