Justice League JL Runtime Thread. Yay? Or Nay?

[BH/HHH]

Wonder Woman is still fresh in the minds of the GA and the fans (it's still running in discount theaters/2nd run theaters), so it does make a lot sense to have WW & JL double features. Plus as much as I love BvS UE, I really don't think watching the movie in theaters makes any sense because we'll be shown the theatrical version by default and I doubt even the ardent fans of the movie wants to watch the inferior version again. It was WB's fault to begin with but I still hope they are abandoning it.

Some of the cinemas in the UK did a Man of Steel/Batman v Superman double feature so I had been thinking maybe they’ll do a Wonder Woman/Justice League double feature or maybe even a Batman v Superman/Justice League double feature.

 

[COCOS]

i see Nothing wrong with the runtime , its all depend on the editing process

they probably cut extended scene off flash ,aquaman for their upcomming movies , we really doesnt need a major introduction about them in the movie

im just worried about lex luthor & superman .

 

[Loki882]

All movies - by their nature - should be "focused and tight".

This isn't a comic book - and whether fans like it or not, movies need to have 1 or 2 main characters - not 6.

Again - this is why so many comic book movies are bloated messes lately.

Flash, Aquaman etc. may need to be supporting characters until they get their solo films.

Except most of them AREN'T "bloated messes." That's where we disagree. If anything, a lot of them feel too short for what they're trying to do.

 

[BVS]

i wanna comment my thoughts on the runtime if i actually knew how long it is, one day its 2:01 the other its 2:50. so for me i think the longer the better so far no dceu has felt like it dragged so i wouldn't mind if its 3:00 but its inevitable that an extended cut is coming for home release no questions about that

 

[MbJ]

It's a freaking JL movie, it doesn't need to be "focused and tight."

So I'm guessing you're one of the people who loved Batman v. Superman? Because that was certainly trying for grand and epic with a lengthy runtime, and look how that turned out. The runtime is ultimately an arbitrary thing. A movie should be as long as it needs to be, which sounds like a "Duh" statement, but people keep insisting that length is somehow a barometer of quality.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

They're trying to get Wonder Woman to take the number 1 spot for highest grossing comic book origin film right?

it's $83,000 away

I'm not sure about that. Those double features are most likely to be relegated to Thursday night previews and even if they are spread out across other dates, the revenue generated goes to the new movie.

Plus if WB does follow through with their Oscar re-release plan, WW will eventually cover the 10k difference and go past Spider-Man [2002] in world-wide figures to become the highest grossing comic book origin film.

 

[wonder213]

Yay!! BvS was way too long. Even Wonder Woman dragged at times, tbh.

 

[kguillou]

So I'm guessing you're one of the people who loved Batman v. Superman? Because that was certainly trying for grand and epic with a lengthy runtime, and look how that turned out. The runtime is ultimately an arbitrary thing. A movie should be as long as it needs to be, which sounds like a "Duh" statement, but people keep insisting that length is somehow a barometer of quality.

The runtime is not what doomed BvS. TDKR was 2 hrs and 40 mins long and people loved it. BvS didnt land with audiences for other content reasons not to mention it was incoherently edited so most audiences probably got lost. Audiences love epic films as long as they're fun, exciting and compelling.

 

[MbJ]

The runtime is not what doomed BvS.

I know. That's my point. That the length of a movie is not a barometer of how good it actually is.

 

[BH/HHH]

Apparently Pacific Rim Uprising clocks in at around 2 hours too.

It makes me wonder are studios going to look at shorter runtimes to increase revenue? You gotta think shorter runtimes will lead to slightly smaller budgets and extra screenings for films. Given the amount of competition that increases every single year too it may be a smarter business model to get as much money in as you can in a quick time scale.

 

[Gavan]

If it means trimming the fat, I'm for a shorter runtime. As long as the movie is good and well received, everyone wins. The extended "fan service" cut can come later but it's more important that the theatrical is a success.

 

[kguillou]

As long as we actually get the extended cut on video then its all good for me. Everyone wins.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

What if there was never supposed to be an extended version

Feel like that’s the case here

 

[Spider-Fan]

So I'm guessing you're one of the people who loved Batman v. Superman? Because that was certainly trying for grand and epic with a lengthy runtime, and look how that turned out. The runtime is ultimately an arbitrary thing. A movie should be as long as it needs to be, which sounds like a "Duh" statement, but people keep insisting that length is somehow a barometer of quality.

I agree, but if there was a project where I felt 2.5hrs would have been right, it was this one. I have worries the plot will move too fast to feel epic. But, I willl go in with an open mind.

 

[kguillou]

What if there was never supposed to be an extended version

Feel like that’s the case here

I'll be seriously bummed if there isnt. I cant possibly imagine that Whedon didnt discard a ton of fat to trim this movie down. I mean, think about it this way, Zack was basically forced to consolidate two movie's worth of ideas into one movie once theu decided JL would be stand alone. Plus I'm sure Zack knew this would likely be his last film, I cant imagine that he didnt go all out on this one and aim to shoot an epic finale to his trilogy. I think thats wjat any filmmaker would do when they are concluding a story, no?

 

[TheScarecrow]

I'll be seriously bummed if there isnt. I cant possibly imagine that Whedon didnt discard a ton of fat to trim this movie down. I mean, think about it this way, Zack was basically forced to consolidate two movie's worth of ideas into one movie once theu decided JL would be stand alone. Plus I'm sure Zack knew this would likely be his last film, I cant imagine that he didnt go all out on this one and aim to shoot an epic finale to his trilogy. I think thats wjat any filmmaker would do when they are concluding a story, no?

What can the movie possibly gain from Deathstroke, Lex Luthor and whatever other extraneous plot points Snyder had included.

I'm sorry - but making coherent films is not Snyder's strong point. He is far more concerned with what's "cool" than what is needed for a story. I imagine the extra content he shot for JL is better viewed as stand alone scenes.

 

[Krystal]

If they set out to make a tight, fast-paced JL movie and were aiming for a2 hour to 2 hour 15 minute sweet spot -- then great, a 2 hour run-time is plenty long. If they were aiming for a 2 and half to 3 hour movie and it wasn't "playing well' to the folks who saw OR they just got cold feet about it's length and tone that's an entirely different matter.

I'd bet be they were aiming for nothing less than a 150 minute movie. But if they brought in Whedon and he shot (or re-shot) maybe 30 minutes of footage and the final product is 120 minutes....

Well that would tell me that they took out 60 minutes of Snyder's footage and added 30 worth of Whedon to get to 120. That's a movie that was a mess (at least in someone's opinion) and had to be rescued.

So yeah, maybe it's entertaining and fun but it's not the movie they set out to make and we'll never see that movie and I'm sad about that.



So bring in the Marvel guy and make the Marvel style movie? No thanks. And I'm a huge MCU fan -- but I was okay with the DCU being of a different tone.

And Watchmen is completely coherent.

 

[kguillou]

I think the one positive of the outrage over the runtime is that the studio is now definitely aware of people's disappointment and it will pressure them to release a longer cut on video. I'm actually surprised how big of an outrage it became, it seems like every major theater chain has been nagged on social media about this movie's runtime and I've not seen this happen with any other movie, WB has to know people expected more and will hopefully give us the full experience on blu ray.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

What can the movie possibly gain from Deathstroke, Lex Luthor and whatever other extraneous plot points Snyder had included.

I'm sorry - but making coherent films is not Snyder's strong point. He is far more concerned with what's "cool" than what is needed for a story. I imagine the extra content he shot for JL is better viewed as stand alone scenes.

Whedon did the film a service by cutting these scenes out. Needless subplots as cool as they might've been.

 

[jmc]

I think the odds of this getting a directors cut bluray are slim to none.

 

[kguillou]

Oh there definitely won't be a "director's cut" in the sense of getting the original director's vision but the hope is we get an "Extended cut" which is just extra scenes put back in to beef the movie up. Like they did with SS.

 

[MbJ]

I think the odds of this getting a directors cut bluray are slim to none.

Yeah. Joss Whedon was vocally opposed to releasing an extended cut of Age of Ultron, even though it was obvious a lot of the movie's story problems were due to stuff ending up on the cutting room floor (Thor's nonsensical subplot in particular). And I don't know if Snyder is gonna be in any position to push for a director's cut if he and Deborah are truly on their way out as has been reported.

 

[The Guard]

Why would the decision to put out an extended cut be about what Snyder wants?

Wouldn't it be more about whether WB thinks they can make money on it?

 

[kguillou]

Yeah, there's a difference between "Director's cuts" and "Extended cuts." Director's cuts are supervised by the director and its their original vision of the film. Extended cuts are essentially the same film but longer, extended scenes and some deleted scenes added in. The studios usually put the extended cuts together with little to no supervision from the director.

 

[jmc]

That's actually not true, the director by DGA rules has to approve any reedited film. Studios can't just release a new version of the film without the directors consent.