JLA First or Solo Films First? A Perspective

[The Sage]

They also had a Flash director in Goyer, with lots of ideas about what he wanted to do. They CHOSE to cast him aside.

And really after seeing Blade Trinity and The Invisible, can you blame them?

 

[ClarkLuther55]

And really after seeing Blade Trinity and The Invisible, can you blame them?

Well, Goyer also wrote BB. He can be hit or miss.

But concerns about quality seem moot to me, when the WB seems willing to bring in a succession of comedy directors to do Flash, or quickly knock out a Justice League movie.

 

[The Sage]

Well, Goyer also wrote BB. He can be hit or miss.

But concerns about quality seem moot to me, when the WB seems willing to bring in a succession of comedy directors to do Flash, or quickly knock out a Justice League movie.

He wrote BB under the eye of Nolan. Either that, or Nolan revised it. Point is, Goyer needs another hand to steady him and keep him on track, or you'll end up with Blade Trinity.

While I agree about Flash getting comedy directors, George Miller's resume extends beyond comedy. Although I'm not enthused by this movie's production, the guy does have credentials. And I'm guessing and hopeful that the choice of a comedic director for Flash is due to the character being lighthearted and not a movement towards a campy/cheesy take.

 

[king Nav]

ahh bale is batman
routh is superman

they are screwing there characters up

i want them both in the jl movie
they define these 2 characters

 

[Dotten]

And you base this claim on what?

Common sense.

Ask yourself how in Gods name are they going to manage to put them all in the same movie, and pay their salary? They didn't even manage to get Bale and Routh to do this movie together.

The logistic is just to hard. So many things can go wrong.

It's like getting the cast of Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Blade and Iron Man in one movie. It's madness and not even Batman has the wits to plan this ahead.

 

[Sun_Down]

A full SEVEN separate franchises and a full JLA trilogy may be pipe dream. But it's not black-and-white, no continuity vs. seven separate franchises.

Superman and Batman have already been done. You can now do a GL and WW movie first. Sequels to those movies aren't necessary before JLA comes out. This will get a couple more origins and character establishments out of the way, so the JLA movie won't be so crowded.

This idea that you can introduce these characters in solo films and then NOT have to introduce them in JLA is, for lack of a better word, stupid. First off, you can't assume that everyone who sees JLA will have seen all those solo films. And you can't assume that people will remember anything meaningul about their character or origins, even if they see the solo films UNLESS they come out within like a year of each other, which of course gets us back to a logistical nightmare. Furthermore, you can't assume that the characterization presented in the solo film is going to be consistent with the characterization in JLA. If they're different, this whole idea of "taking care of their origins" goes right out the window. And finally, you people act as though the audience isn't going to know these characters at all. The general moviegoer, or at the very least the average person going to see JLA, knows Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman for sure. And I'd even argue that most people know Flash, GL and Aquaman. The only real new character for most people is MM, whose origin is pretty straight forward.

What the hell? When someone is complaining about the direction not to go for a unified continuity, you can't just dismiss it by saying the WB isn't going for a unified continuity.

That's not even remotely what I said. You used SR and BB as examples of solo movies that set up JLA, but I just stated that they're not in continuity with JLA, so you can't use them as examples.

 

[The Guard]

It's humorous that some of you think a decent JUSTICE LEAGUE movie would "flop".

 

[Sun_Down]

It's humorous that some of you think a decent JUSTICE LEAGUE movie would "flop".

Who said that?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It's humorous that some of you think a decent JUSTICE LEAGUE movie would "flop".

I think the larger concern is that this movie is going to be 'decent'. This is the same studio that did Catwoman and Batman & Robin after all.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I think the larger concern is that this movie is going to be 'decent'. This is the same studio that did Catwoman and Batman & Robin after all.

Yes, but they also did Superman: The Movie, Superman II, Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, V For Vendetta and Superman Returns.

They've made more good movies, than they have bad movies imo.

 

[The Guard]

I think the larger concern is that this movie is going to be 'decent'. This is the same studio that did Catwoman and Batman & Robin after all.

CATWOMAN and BATMAN & ROBIN are the exceptions to the rule. Large exceptions.

 

[Steelsheen]

*sigh* where have i had this argument before?....

 

[Heretic]

I really think the solo films are the way to go.

First off, once they gather in the JLA movie and everyone goes to see it, seperating a character that the world barely knows (like Green Lantern, who is still quite unknown in mainstream USA) would seem to be a disappointment to people. I have aways thought (and still believe) that Wolverine will gross far less than the average X Men movie. Its a theory, but a solid one. Why get excited about a solo adventure when we just saw a massive crossover dream team???

Secondly, it adds weight to the film. Lets say you have a Flash film where Barry is established, and maybe have a successor waiting in the wings. If Barry Allen dies early in the JLA movie, then his successor would have already been introduced, BUT the death of Barry Allen would actually have weight to it since people had already invested 2 hours into the character. Without an introduction he is just some nobody who gets killed off quick. Who among us would want that for Barry? Have a Wonder Woman film and the already green lit Green Arrow film (They really should put Green Arrow in the freakin JLA movie). Batman and Supes will have a few movies under their belts. Even if Flash or Green Arrow underperforms at the box office, it adds a bit of weight to a group movie.

I dont think you need ALL of the characters to have solo films. Martian Manhunter does not deserve one...BUT you could introduce him at the beginning of JLA and make him the voice of the movie, which would be interesting since people would be expecting Supes or Batman to be the "stars".

Third, by waiting a year or so it will enable Batman in his Nolanverse to actually reach a level where his character is seasoned and would be able to do what is called for in the JLA film. Even if you couldnt get Bale to do it, the character would flow better...though I would love for Bale to do it. TMOS would also hopefully get Superman to a better level, though I am one of the few who liked Superman Returns. For the 99% of the population that does not watch entertainment with "alternate universes" then the story would make more sense.

 

[Zeiss]

Martian Manhunter does not deserve one...

BLASPHEMY!

 

[Heretic]

BLASPHEMY!

Is the character cool? Sure, but allow me to explain.

Unfortunately, a vast majority of COMIC BOOK READERS dont have any idea about really who he is beyond a very surface level. Most comic readers would say "he's that green guy that is afraid of fire" or something.

A character with his level of appeal among the fanbase that likes his type of character does not warrent a solo movie that will cost a ton of money to make.

Heck, as much as I love Astro City (which is probably my favorite mainstream-esque comic title), I wouldnt agree to a company paying 100 mil or more to make the movie...in a business sense it is a bad move.

 

[Wally West]

I really think the solo films are the way to go.

First off, once they gather in the JLA movie and everyone goes to see it, seperating a character that the world barely knows (like Green Lantern, who is still quite unknown in mainstream USA) would seem to be a disappointment to people. I have aways thought (and still believe) that Wolverine will gross far less than the average X Men movie. Its a theory, but a solid one. Why get excited about a solo adventure when we just saw a massive crossover dream team???

Secondly, it adds weight to the film. Lets say you have a Flash film where Barry is established, and maybe have a successor waiting in the wings. If Barry Allen dies early in the JLA movie, then his successor would have already been introduced, BUT the death of Barry Allen would actually have weight to it since people had already invested 2 hours into the character. Without an introduction he is just some nobody who gets killed off quick. Who among us would want that for Barry? Have a Wonder Woman film and the already green lit Green Arrow film (They really should put Green Arrow in the freakin JLA movie). Batman and Supes will have a few movies under their belts. Even if Flash or Green Arrow underperforms at the box office, it adds a bit of weight to a group movie.

I dont think you need ALL of the characters to have solo films. Martian Manhunter does not deserve one...BUT you could introduce him at the beginning of JLA and make him the voice of the movie, which would be interesting since people would be expecting Supes or Batman to be the "stars".

Third, by waiting a year or so it will enable Batman in his Nolanverse to actually reach a level where his character is seasoned and would be able to do what is called for in the JLA film. Even if you couldnt get Bale to do it, the character would flow better...though I would love for Bale to do it. TMOS would also hopefully get Superman to a better level, though I am one of the few who liked Superman Returns. For the 99% of the population that does not watch entertainment with "alternate universes" then the story would make more sense.

Martian Manhunter deserves a solo film more than green arrow.

 

[Showtime]

When? Tomorrow
Where? Hype Community

Cast your vote.

 

[The Guard]

First off, once they gather in the JLA movie and everyone goes to see it, seperating a character that the world barely knows (like Green Lantern, who is still quite unknown in mainstream USA) would seem to be a disappointment to people.

A disappointment on what level?

I have aways thought (and still believe) that Wolverine will gross far less than the average X Men movie.

Of course it will. WOLVERINE, unlike GREEN LANTERN and THE FLASH, will also cost less to make than the other, more recent ensemble films. Therefore, it will be successful, and will be successful having spun of the X-Men franchise.

Its a theory, but a solid one. Why get excited about a solo adventure when we just saw a massive crossover dream team???

Because the individual characters have value.

Secondly, it adds weight to the film.

This assumes people will have seen the solo films coming into a Justice League one.

Lets say you have a Flash film where Barry is established, and maybe have a successor waiting in the wings. If Barry Allen dies early in the JLA movie, then his successor would have already been introduced, BUT the death of Barry Allen would actually have weight to it since people had already invested 2 hours into the character.

Without an introduction he is just some nobody who gets killed off quick. Who among us would want that for Barry?

What makes you think they won't introduce Barry Allen in JUSTICE LEAGUE? The opening is clearly meant to be a "Who dies" moment for casual fans. Yes, FANS know it's likely Barry's funeral, but the average person doesn't. Therefore, when JUSTICE LEAGUE builds Barry as a likeable character, and then kills him, his death will have the weight you speak of.

Have a Wonder Woman film and the already green lit Green Arrow film (They really should put Green Arrow in the freakin JLA movie). Batman and Supes will have a few movies under their belts. Even if Flash or Green Arrow underperforms at the box office, it adds a bit of weight to a group movie.

Which brings me to: If JUSTICE LEAGUE can't maintain "weight" on its own, it's screwed anyway. There shouldn't need to be solo efforts to provide "weight" to these characters and their lives.

I dont think you need ALL of the characters to have solo films. Martian Manhunter does not deserve one...

He most certainly does.

BUT you could introduce him at the beginning of JLA and make him the voice of the movie, which would be interesting since people would be expecting Supes or Batman to be the "stars".

Which seems to be why they're centering things around The FLash.

Third, by waiting a year or so it will enable Batman in his Nolanverse to actually reach a level where his character is seasoned and would be able to do what is called for in the JLA film.

Nolan's Batman is already seasoned and very capable. But he will likely never resemble the man who builds a satellite and spies on his friends. Nolan's Batman will always be "early in his career".

 

[CorpusBlack]

I think Green Lantern should be the first out, because with Hal Jordan and the rest of them, they could start their own franchise.

 

[Superman-Prime]

I prefer Solo Films first because they need to finish some movies and then they can make JLA.

Good thing that The Dark Knight has already filming and almost done to film soon, but I'm very concerned about the Batman third film.

Superman Returns series needs to be finished right before JLA.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Yes, but they also did Superman: The Movie, Superman II, Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, V For Vendetta and Superman Returns.

They've made more good movies, than they have bad movies imo.

You should remove Superman Returns from that list!

 

[Jake Cassidy]

You should remove Superman Returns from that list!

OK, SR may not be as good as the others, but, compared to Batman & Robin and Catwoman, it's a masterpiece. Besides, I like it.

 

[NotFadeAway]

OK, SR may not be as good as the others, but, compared to Batman & Robin and Catwoman, it's a masterpiece. Besides, I like it.

I'll give you that.....

 

[CorpusBlack]

OK, SR may not be as good as the others, but, compared to Batman & Robin and Catwoman, it's a masterpiece. Besides, I like it.

SR is the best Superman film since Donner. Not to mention that it is lightyears ahead of the quoted s--tfests above (which should also include 'Steel').

 

[Dotten]

Not forgetting Captain America and Elektra..... Ugh.