JLA vs. The X-men

[Hush]

Im not sure what the word is but could J'onn go all "See through" and Magneto not be able to affect his blood at all?

 

[The Question]

Im not sure what the word is but could J'onn go all "See through" and Magneto not be able to affect his blood at all?

I'm pretty sure energy can still effect him when he's intangeble.

 

[batnkevlar]

Well, Kitty Pryde is the kind of intagible that still feels energy attacks, but lasers have been seen to go through J'onn, from what I've seen...

 

[Hush]

I'm pretty sure energy can still effect him when he's intangeble.

Could Magnetos control over the iron in his blood work, since J'onns blood is intangible? That is the question. Oh and thank you for the word intangible i couldnt remember it.

 

[MagicPrime]

Well, Kitty Pryde is the kind of intagible that still feels energy attacks, but lasers have been seen to go through J'onn, from what I've seen...

Indeed, and then he can reach in your brain and become tangible again...

 

[The Question]

Could Magnetos control over the iron in his blood work, since J'onns blood is intangible? That is the question. Oh and thank you for the word intangible i couldnt remember it.

Well, it all really depends on how J'onn's "ghosting" works. If he actually goes out of phase with our reality, or turns into energy, or whatever, then no, Magneto's powers wouldn't work on him. However, if he's simply sliding his cells and/or molocules between the spaces in an object, then yeah, Magneto's powers would most certainly work on him.

 

[Hush]

Well, it all really depends on how J'onn's "ghosting" works. If he actually goes out of phase with our reality, or turns into energy, or whatever, then no, Magneto's powers wouldn't work on him. However, if he's simply sliding his cells and/or molocules between the spaces in an object, then yeah, Magneto's powers would most certainly work on him.

Oh I see now, might i say you are one of the most logical posters on this site and i alway find reading your posts a joy.

 

[The Question]

Oh I see now, might i say you are one of the most logical posters on this site and i alway find reading your posts a joy.

Well, statistically speaking, somebody has to.

 

[Hush]

Well, statistically speaking, somebody has to.

Pretty much. So what are your thoughts on a Batman vs Cyke fight in this hoopla? I can see both winning but I favor Batman more do to the story Tower of babel where his Prep time is fully realized as yet another weapon in Batmans seemingly infinite arsenal. You?

 

[The Question]

Pretty much. So what are your thoughts on a Batman vs Cyke fight in this hoopla? I can see both winning but I favor Batman more do to the story Tower of babel where his Prep time is fully realized as yet another weapon in Batmans seemingly infinite arsenal. You?

Batman VS. anyone questions tend to get pretty stupid, because someone brings up prep time and uses it in stupid arguements. Depending on the situation of the fight and variables present, I'd say both stand a good chance. They're both skilled fighters (although I'd say Bruce is most definately better as he relies on hand to hand combat more often), they're both skilled marksmen, and they're both brilliant tacticians. While Bruce relies very very heavily on stealth in combat, Scott relies a lot on improvisation in combat, usually doing a good job of making things up as he goes a long and using his environment to his advantage. Bruce is capable of this too, but he's more of a control freak, and his combat style tends to fall into something of a formula (as, with the exception of when some psychopath in a costume shows up, he fights the same few crimes over and over again). He walks around at night, comes across someone stealing something or whatever, and goes all ninja on their asses. Depending on where they are, what they have around them, and how much they know about each other beforehand, or even is one if aware that the other is after them, it could go either way. However, is Scott can hit Bruce with his blasts, it's a clear win.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

It should be noted that Scott is also an expert martial artist and has stealth capabilities that are nearly the equal of Wolverine. The major skills that Batman uses Cyclops has also. Probably not to quite the same degree but not much behind. Cyclops is like Batman in that he also has trained obsessively for much of his life developing more and better skills. In certain ways, due to the Danger Room, he is better trained than Batman.

 

[LexCorp]

Batman vs Solid Snake...I like that fight...sorry if a little of topic.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It can be assumed, if you are carbon based, presumeably you have some iron in you.

It can't be assumed in a comic. If the comics say Kryptonians don't have iron in their blood, that's that. Leaps of logic are a pretty slippery slope in comics.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

It should be noted that Scott is also an expert martial artist and has stealth capabilities that are nearly the equal of Wolverine. The major skills that Batman uses Cyclops has also. Probably not to quite the same degree but not much behind. Cyclops is like Batman in that he also has trained obsessively for much of his life developing more and better skills. In certain ways, due to the Danger Room, he is better trained than Batman.

Cyclops, to my knowledge, only has a black belt in Judo and Akido, whereas Batman is far more trained. Lots of people have black belts in martial arts, it doesn't make them an adept fighter. Cyclops is a far different fighter than Batman, or Wolverine. He is not a "master of stealth" in the same way, nor he is even in the same league as Batman or Wolverine in fighting ability...but he makes up for this difference with mastery of his powers and leadership ability (i.e. use of his other team members).

The only time I've really seen "martial artist" Cyclops is during that ridiculous story in X-Men Unlimited, a book which seems to disregard continuity anyways. Aside from very basic throws and boxing moves I rarely see him engage in any form of hand to hand. As I said, he is stated as possessing a black belt(s) in Judo and or Akido. However, in the comic Universe if your a superhero that and a buck fifty will get you a Gatorade and not much else.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't Cyclops have an enhanced spatial/geometric awareness thing? One would think that'd make him a pretty good martial artist.

Also, Captain America has only formally trained in a couple of martial arts as well, yet he's hailed as one of the greatest fighters in the Marvel universe. He makes up for his lack of training with good instincts and a knack for improvisation. Cyclops doesn't seem to do the same, but he might be better than his paltry two black belts suggest. Either way, he rarely uses his martial arts training in fights. Why should he? He can break mountains with his eyes.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Doesn't Cyclops have an enhanced spatial/geometric awareness thing? One would think that'd make him a pretty good martial artist.

What it makes him good at is trick shots with his blasts. It could be used for martial arts, but only if he had training extensive enough.

Also, Captain America has only formally trained in a couple of martial arts as well, yet he's hailed as one of the greatest fighters in the Marvel universe.

Yeah, supposedly he went through a year straight of dawn till dusk training at the hands of several masters. However he is the "perfect human athlete" so I'm guessing that helps.

He makes up for his lack of training with good instincts and a knack for improvisation. Cyclops doesn't seem to do the same, but he might be better than his paltry two black belts suggest. Either way, he rarely uses his martial arts training in fights. Why should he? He can break mountains with his eyes.

As I said, two black belts in comics and a buck fifty will buy you a gatorade and not much else. I don't know many superheroes who don't have *some* extensive martial arts training. All of them seem to be martial artists...even Kitty Pryde and Jubilee are. At one time no one training in this stuff and it was all boxing and judo "tricks". No a days, every writer seems to need to squeeze ninja this and martial artist that into every last character when there is no basis in the comics for when and how they trained.

Cyclops is an adept tactician with scads of battle experience both in and out of the danger room. But as you note, he rarely uses hand to hand because it's simply not something he really needs. He has shown some knowledge of pressure points and basic sparring/judo in the past. Aside from that he really just seems to use things to keep his opponents at arms...or beams length.

 

[OZONE]

What makes Cyclops such a vigilent warrier, is the fact that he can now encorporate his optical blasts along with melee or even other blast type combinations. Altering his optical blasts from perhaps an instant kill to perhaps a stun, to perhaps just a low damage enables him to throw off opponents, and even counter attacts with his optical blasts. Cyclops is given a keen sense over atmospheric UV rays so sensing this common form of radiation enables him to use radation detection.

Batman is only as good as technology and his logic takes him. His range is faint compared to cyclops, his skills are not based on nearly as much training and teaching as Cyclops has endured, considering Cyclops is always preppared, always trying to lead, always wanting to know and do more for the sake of the team, this alone makes him a beast when it comes to fighting, batman could only hope to get away.

 

[Vanguard07]

Batman vs Cyke... Okay i look at it like this.

You've got two martial artists. One's a master (we'll call him #1), the other is highly skilled but notably outmatched in terms of sheer skill (#2).
However #2 shoots f***ing LAZERS FROM HIS EYES.

I have no doubt that Batman could take Cyclops down if he set out to do so and laid a trap or ambush or something but in a straight up fight? Batman stands no chance.

 

[MagicPrime]

His range is faint compared to cyclops, his skills are not based on nearly as much training and teaching as Cyclops has endured, considering Cyclops is always preppared, always trying to lead, always wanting to know and do more for the sake of the team, this alone makes him a beast when it comes to fighting, batman could only hope to get away.

haha

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Cyclops is given a keen sense over atmospheric UV rays so sensing this common form of radiation enables him to use radation detection.

FOR.THE.LAST.TIME. Cyclops' optic blasts are not radiation, they are not heat, they do not produce heat, they aren't even of this world. They are non einstienium heatless particles that live in a alternate dimension, the size of which may be limitless. The absorbtion of ambient energy around him simply aids in maintaining both his psionic field and apertures (in his eyes) which act as a dimensional portal to this energy.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman vs Cyke... Okay i look at it like this.

You've got two martial artists. One's a master (we'll call him #1), the other is highly skilled but notably outmatched in terms of sheer skill (#2).
However #2 shoots f***ing LAZERS FROM HIS EYES.

I have no doubt that Batman could take Cyclops down if he set out to do so and laid a trap or ambush or something but in a straight up fight? Batman stands no chance.

Basically. IF, if Batman could catch him off guard while he is taking a stoll through central park he could take him down...but in a tandem, unlikely.

 

[Vanguard07]

Exactly. But Really the same could be said for practically any fight. I mean put Foggy Nelson vs Captain America.
If Foggy just kicked in the door and brained Cap with a crowbar while Cap was completely unsuspecting and sitting on the can or sleeping or something then Foggy could win but In a straight up fight it'd be like Woody Allen fighting a Grizzly Bear.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Exactly. But Really the same could be said for practically any fight. I mean put Foggy Nelson vs Captain America.
If Foggy just kicked in the door and brained Cap with a crowbar while Cap was completely unsuspecting and sitting on the can or sleeping or something then Foggy could win but In a straight up fight it'd be like Woody Allen fighting a Grizzly Bear.

*Captain America sits reading newspaper on toilet*
Steve: "Hahahaha....those silly Republicans"
*BASH! Foggy Nelson kicks in the door*
Steve: "Uhhhh...hello Foggy, what...are...you...doing...here?"
Foggy: "You gonna die BIATCH!!!!!"
*Hits him over the head with a crowbar*
*Cap passes out*
*drags him unconscious out of the room*






*closes door*

 

[PemLam]

*Captain America sits reading newspaper on toilet*
Steve: "Hahahaha....those silly Republicans"
*BASH! Foggy Nelson kicks in the door*
Steve: "Uhhhh...hello Foggy, what...are...you...doing...here?"
Foggy: "You gonna die BIATCH!!!!!"
*Hits him over the head with a crowbar*
*Cap passes out*
*drags him unconscious out of the room*






*closes door*

That energy conscious foggy...what a great guy.

You think Cap's a toilet paper rolled over the top kinda guy or does he have it going down?

 

[MagicPrime]

That energy conscious foggy...what a great guy.

You think Cap's a toilet paper rolled over the top kinda guy or does he have it going down?

I see him more as a "roll on the tank of the toilet" kinda guy.