JLA vs. The X-men

[fifthfiend]

And Pheonix's ability to control atoms is super charged telekinesis. She can out-telekinesis Superman.

I wasn't making any argument about who would win one way or the other, just responding to one particular specific claim.

 

[The Question]

I wasn't making any argument about who would win one way or the other, just responding to one particular specific claim.

Ah. My mistake.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Dude Superman's field is tactile telekinesis, which would be made out of whatever it is telekinesis is made of, presumably some unique form of subatomic particle or radiation. Hell, if Superman's protective field were made out of molecules then the same would have to go for all of the Phoenix's powers.

Telekinesis is the manipulation of atoms and molecules around oneself.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

So Jean with the phoenix entity would be involved in this fight?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Also, although I've only heard rumors, I think the new origin Superman is getting is going to drop a lot of his extra abilities (like the bio aura) and get back to the basics of the Donner/Singer Superman abilities.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So Jean with the phoenix entity would be involved in this fight?

Yeah. I think the threadmaker saw hat Cyclops et all wouldn't be enough to go against the League...so he just threw a Cosmic Entity and an uber powerful supervillain on the team to try to even the odds.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

You mean, make it uneven. Who can really stand up against Jean on the other team?

 

[CaptainClown]

Magneto controls the electromagnetic spectrum...that's a pretty big deal.

and how would that defeat superman if superman at super speeds just gets real close and gives him a lobotomy

 

[ShadowBoxing]

and how would that defeat superman if superman at super speeds just gets real close and gives him a lobotomy

Considering that Magneto once shielded himself from a frontal attack from Galactus, Superman, or his heat vision, wouldn't breech Magneto's shielding.

And superspeed doesn't do you much good stuck in one place.

 

[CaptainClown]

So would he keep up his shield the whole time?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You mean, make it uneven.

Well, it's uneven to begin with. Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Gambit, Colossus, Wolverine and the other mainstays don't really have much of a prayer against Superman, Wonder Woman, the Flash and Martian Manhunter.

So I think the threadmaker wanted to give the X-Men some edge and in doing so gave them way too much edge.

Who can really stand up against Jean on the other team?

No one, seriously. Hell, the entirity of the earth bound MU (so not including Thor and such) couldn't really stand up to her. She is a cosmic entity, and thusly is really more or less in league with Silver Surfer, Galactus and those types. The X-Men never could stop her, they had to rely on her to sacrifice herself...and even then if it weren't for Scott's calming influence on her, they'd still have been screwed.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So would he keep up his shield the whole time?

He rarely, if ever lets it down....certainly not in battle. I suppose if Superman caught him brushing his teeth or shaving his pubes he'd be f***ed...but then the same could be said if Foggy Nelson surprised Captain America on the toilet with a crowbar.

 

[CaptainClown]

He rarely, if ever lets it down....certainly not in battle. I suppose if Superman caught him brushing his teeth or shaving his pubes he'd be f***ed...but then the same could be said if Foggy Nelson surprised Captain America on the toilet with a crowbar.

haha

Well with that said couldn't Superman start bombarding him with frontal attacks, distracting Magneto while MM gets into his field of range?

Also how could Magneto defeat superman? I don't know how that would work

 

[ShadowBoxing]

haha

Well with that said couldn't Superman start bombarding him with frontal attacks, distracting Magneto while MM gets into his field of range?

With his helmut on he resist mind control of any form...in fact I understand he has a pretty high resistence to mind manipulation of any form. With his helmut off it might be possible.

Flash might be fast enough to transcend his field...who knows.

Also how could Magneto defeat superman? I don't know how that would work

He could give him an anyurism if that works on Kryptonian physiology. Or do what he did to Phoenix, and give him a massive stroke.

Light is also part of the electromagnetic spectrum, as is radiation, so their are possibilities their.

 

[CaptainClown]

Oh ok thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize that was the extent of Magneto's power.
So why are X-men characters at times having god-like powers? is it inconstancy in writing?

 

[The Question]

With his helmut on he resist mind control of any form...in fact I understand he has a pretty high resistence to mind manipulation of any form. With his helmut off it might be possible.

Flash might be fast enough to transcend his field...who knows.

He could give him an anyurism if that works on Kryptonian physiology. Or do what he did to Phoenix, and give him a massive stroke.

Light is also part of the electromagnetic spectrum, as is radiation, so their are possibilities their.

Also, he could drop a building on him. Or several buildings. And maybe an aircraft carrier.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Oh ok thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize that was the extent of Magneto's power.
So why are X-men characters at times having god-like powers? is it inconstancy in writing?

Not really. Phoenix has always been Godlike. Magneto has always been that way too...or rather has been since Claremont days. Iceman recently got a huge power upgrade.

...It's more along the lines of taking powers to their logical conclusions.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Also, he could drop a building on him. Or several buildings. And maybe an aircraft carrier.

The more direct approach.

Couple nukes too.

 

[The Question]

Not really. Phoenix has always been Godlike. Magneto has always been that way too...or rather has been since Claremont days. Iceman recently got a huge power upgrade.

Well, even in the 60s, Magneto as able to control Thor's hammer with ease.

The more direct approach.

Sometimes it's just the best.

Couple nukes too.

Might be a little overkill. Magneto might just want to humiliate the poor fellow.

 

[CaptainClown]

Man I should start brushing up on X-men lore again.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Man I should start brushing up on X-men lore again.

These powers tend to come about when the authors start wondering stuff like "well how could Magneto control metal the way he does" or "how does Iceman make stuff freeze". And then they come up with sciencey explanations like "Iceman can manipulate the phases of matter" or "magneto is one with the electromagnetic spectrum"...and so those quasi-scientific explanations open up new arena's for their powers to move into, and Magneto stops being just some guy who can hold together pieces of metal and Iceman stops being a glorified snow man.

 

[fifthfiend]

Telekinesis is the manipulation of atoms and molecules around oneself.

Yes, which is why the medium by which that manipulation occurs would have to be some sort of subatomic radiation or particle.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Well, even in the 60s, Magneto as able to control Thor's hammer with ease.

That's true. But Marvel's first real powerhouse supervillain was Molecule Man.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The FF's foe the Miracle Man came first I believe.

 

[The Question]

That's true. But Marvel's first real powerhouse supervillain was Molecule Man.

I've always loved Molecule Man. He's just some poor pathetic schmuck who became the most powerful human being on Earth and couldn't cope with it. Great character.