JLA vs. The X-men

[Phenomenal]

I like both DC and Marvel.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

LOL, Heroes reborn was a crossover and it happened in Franlin Richards pocket dimension. Franklin Richards before that presumably got pwned in the Onlsaught arc. Thor didn't get pwned by Korvac from what I remember he killled some other Avengers but not Thor. Thor saved the day IIRC.

Surfer does have some reality Warping abilities but it wouldn't work against people more powerful than himself (Thor/Thanos).



Being inexperienced doesnt mean you dont have incredible power. It means its just raw and unfocused, much like X-man. As you can see Phoenix wasnt holding back, anyone would have needed to draw on more power to combat that. So Maggs did something that would Kill Superman.

Speedblitz Magneto????

Spoiler

I don't see the JLA winning against him.

HOLY CRAP!! Magneto blocked a soundwave that he CLEARLY saw coming!!?!?!?!?! There is no way Superman or Flash could move faster than sound!!!!

 

[CaptainClown]

HOLY CRAP!! Magneto blocked a soundwave that he CLEARLY saw coming!!?!?!?!?! There is no way Superman or Flash could move faster than sound!!!!

teehee

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Creates an EMP that disables all electronics on Earth

His shield wards off both She-Hulk and Thor

Magneto reverses gravity 500 feet around himself

Withstandting a nuke

More feats here: http://herochat.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=118330

 

[CaptainClown]

but Magneto still thinks like a human, and in that moment when he realizes to put up his shields it would be too late. Flash to save the day.

 

[Phenomenal]

HOLY CRAP!! Magneto blocked a soundwave that he CLEARLY saw coming!!?!?!?!?! There is no way Superman or Flash could move faster than sound!!!!

Wrong, that was light Maggs was blocking!

@Shadow Boxing that first scan is where Magneto uses Technology t oboost his powers it really shouldn't count.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Wrong, that was light Maggs was blocking!

@Shadow Boxing that first scan is where Magneto uses Technology t oboost his powers it really shouldn't count.

That still doesn't change the fact that he CLEARLY saw the attack coming.

 

[Phenomenal]

He would also see the Flash coming as well as any other member from the League.

 

[CaptainClown]

how would he see flash coming? Remember he is the master of magnetism not super senses magneto.

 

[fifthfiend]

Mags versus Flash is kind of an interesting matchup in that both have a big factor of "an ostensibly specifically defined area of superpower that actually lets me do basically whatever the **** I say it does at any particular point in time."

 

[CaptainClown]

ya, again all these battles depend on the writer.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Magneto has also sensed and reacted fast enough to catch Nightcrawler at the exit point of his teleportation jump. He sensed the disruption in the magnetic field of the Earth and reacted fast enough to have a response ready when Kurt reappeared after teleporting only a few yards. Beating teleportation is a decent reaction feat.

 

[CaptainClown]

teleportation is different then traveling faster then how most people think.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

There is a fundamental flaw in the reasoning of those who are supporting the Flash in this discussion. It assumes that the Flash will start his attack before his opponents. This is not necessarily true. Many of the X-Men have the capability of defeating Flash instantly if they strike before Flash starts moving. It all depends on who starts first. If Magneto starts with a shield up as he frequently does then it doesn't matter what Flash does at any speed. Because Magneto will be on the inside of the shield and Flash will be on the outside with no means of changing the situation. I am one of those who usually champion speed over many other things but not in this case.

 

[CaptainClown]

Well he could also do his crazy go back in time things and kick magnetos mom in the stomach when she is pregnant with him. It really depends on the writer and who you favor

 

[Silicon Surfer]

That would probably tick off the TVA who would alter the Flash's past so that Magneto's history would never be changed. The TVA hates time travelers, it makes their job orders of magnitude harder.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

That would probably tick off the TVA who would alter the Flash's past so that Magneto's history would never be changed. The TVA hates time travelers, it makes their job orders of magnitude harder.

Who's that again?

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

There is a fundamental flaw in the reasoning of those who are supporting the Flash in this discussion. It assumes that the Flash will start his attack before his opponents. This is not necessarily true. Many of the X-Men have the capability of defeating Flash instantly if they strike before Flash starts moving. It all depends on who starts first. If Magneto starts with a shield up as he frequently does then it doesn't matter what Flash does at any speed. Because Magneto will be on the inside of the shield and Flash will be on the outside with no means of changing the situation. I am one of those who usually champion speed over many other things but not in this case.

I'm curious as to which X-Man could beat him instantly besides possibly phoenix.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Any of the telepaths plus Magneto and Cyclops. Telepathic energies in both universes travel faster than light and are not visible and thus give no warning. Magneto and Cyclops both have attacks that travel at the speed of light which means that you can't see them coming even if they contain visible light because the light that you use to see the attacks doesn't reach your eyes until a fraction of a nanosecond after the attack has already hit.

 

[trustyside-kick]

If Flash can run as fast as he can, he should be able to see light-based attacks like if it were going normal speed for him though, right? I mean it just makes sense. To him it is normal, to us we cannot see.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Actually someone moving at the speeds that Flash moves wouldn't be able to see at all while moving at extremely high velocities. The velocity would change the frequencies of the visible light into wavelengths that the human eye cannot perceive. They have never even tried to explain that one.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Any of the telepaths plus Magneto and Cyclops. Telepathic energies in both universes travel faster than light and are not visible and thus give no warning. Magneto and Cyclops both have attacks that travel at the speed of light which means that you can't see them coming even if they contain visible light because the light that you use to see the attacks doesn't reach your eyes until a fraction of a nanosecond after the attack has already hit.

It seems as though you are being a bit fanboyish and not hitting with facts. Both Magneto's and cyclops blasts have been dodged by FAR lesser beings than Flash.

It seems you saying that the X-men get to be at their best while the JLA are uncoordinated weaklings. Also can someone show me where magneto's shields are phase proof cause if there aren't.....he's a dead man.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Actually someone moving at the speeds that Flash moves wouldn't be able to see at all while moving at extremely high velocities. The velocity would change the frequencies of the visible light into wavelengths that the human eye cannot perceive. They have never even tried to explain that one.

Yes they have. The speed force compensates for all these faults allowing them to still see, hear, and perceive things at extremely high speeds.

 

[CaptainClown]

ya flash is a little insane with his powers but hey what can you do.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Magneto and Cyclops have both taken out speedsters without trouble too.

Flash's ability to penetrate solid matter is based on vibration. He vibrates until he reaches a point where the atoms of his body do not interfere with the atoms of the object that he wishes to pass through. If atoms will not pass through a barrier then they will not pass through no matter how he vibrates them since all he is really doing is moving them to another place. The power doesn't allow him to pass through energy fields unless the energy field itself is somehow special in that regard.