JLA vs. The X-men

[Nokio]

While I think Magneto is a sweet a$$ character a few here are going overbaord with him owning the JLA. Superman alone can beat Magneto or vice versa. I think with both Mags and Supes in a fight, it would depend on who get's the upper hand or which one out thinks the other.

 

[Whirlysplat]

While I think Magneto is a sweet a$$ character a few here are going overbaord with him owning the JLA. Superman alone can beat Magneto or vice versa. I think with both Mags and Supes in a fight, it would depend on who get's the upper hand or which one out thinks the other.

Speed blitz.

 

[CaptainClown]

While I think Magneto is a sweet a$$ character a few here are going overbaord with him owning the JLA. Superman alone can beat Magneto or vice versa. I think with both Mags and Supes in a fight, it would depend on who get's the upper hand or which one out thinks the other.

Apparently Magneto could alter light and take away supermans powers from the yellow sun

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wrong, that was light Maggs was blocking!

@Shadow Boxing that first scan is where Magneto uses Technology t oboost his powers it really shouldn't count.

Acording to the explanation of the panel on the thread the tech wasn't actually aiding him.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Apparently Magneto could alter light and take away supermans powers from the yellow sun

Magneto controls light. In case you haven't noticed, light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum. On more than one occasions Magneto has been shown to drain energy out of other superpowered characters and turn himself invisible by bending light.

 

[CaptainClown]

yes I realize its a part of the electromagnetic spectrum but from my knowledge way back when he could just control metal. It seems like they were just getting carried away and decided he could control all forms of magnetism and so on and so forth.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

yes I realize its a part of the electromagnetic spectrum but from my knowledge way back when he could just control metal. It seems like they were just getting carried away and decided he could control all forms of magnetism and so on and so forth.

actually those were always his intended powers. Look on the very first cover of X-Men where he is blocking a blast from cyclops by making a EM force field. The movies just said that he could only control metal.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

actually those were always his intended powers. Look on the very first cover of X-Men where he is blocking a blast from cyclops by making a EM force field. The movies just said that he could only control metal.

Ditto. But I should also point out that flight and invulnerability were not Superman's intended powers but he has them. Remember, at one point in time, Kal El was simply a child from a world with greater gravity. Then as time went on his powers were expanded. This goes double for mutants, who tend to evolve over time.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

but Magneto still thinks like a human, and in that moment when he realizes to put up his shields it would be too late. Flash to save the day.

I don't know which humans you hang around, but Magneto hardly "thinks" like we do. Much like many other mutants who control a fundamental force, Magneto is in tune with the world of electromagnetism. He sees the auras of energy and magnetism that surround all objects, he can sense disturbances in the magnetic field and compensate unconsciously, he can react without the need of gestures or motion and can even precieve and comprehend forces to a degree a normal human could not.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Ditto. But I should also point out that flight and invulnerability were not Superman's intended powers but he has them. Remember, at one point in time, Kal El was simply a child from a world with greater gravity. Then as time went on his powers were expanded. This goes double for mutants, who tend to evolve over time.

Half the mutants in the comics suddenly becoming Omega-level isn't really evolving; it's writers one-upping each other. Personally, I could stand to see all of the mutants toned down a bit.

Also, I never got how Magneto's control of magnetism or the electromagnetic spectrum blocked him from telepathic attacks.

 

[CaptainClown]

I don't know which humans you hang around, but Magneto hardly "thinks" like we do. Much like many other mutants who control a fundamental force, Magneto is in tune with the world of electromagnetism. He sees the auras of energy and magnetism that surround all objects, he can sense disturbances in the magnetic field and compensate unconsciously, he can react without the need of gestures or motion and can even precieve and comprehend forces to a degree a normal human could not.

Ok, I've been proven wrong with his whole light powers because frankly I don't read x-men. Nothing drew me in but I did like Magneto. Moving on

As for the human reaction the best comparison is like Paintball, you could see the paintball coming towards you but can't quite act to get out of the way. He still has all these powers and sees all these things sure, but he still probably thinks like a human and still has to process whats going on.

Now if he is as powerful as you claim he is, why is he defeated? (legitimate question, I'm not trying to win this debate because I don't know jack about Magneto. )

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The fight I am thinking of was an Avengers/FF teamup against Mags ages ago. I don't remember how it ended but Mags was wiping the streets of Manhattan with both teams. I think that it was a multiparter and that I didn't get the final issue and so never saw the finish. I can't think of a time when Mags has faced magic. Thor's hammer can be manipulated by energy and constructs without Odin's enchantment being violated. The enchantment only prevents living beings from wielding the hammet by hand. As for Sentry who knows what he can or will do. Maybe he will conquer/destroy the MU and maybe the FF's ancient retired mailman who kick his butt up and down the street. The very idea that they would retcon Sentry into existence the way they did offends me. As far as I am concerned Sentry does not and never has existed. He is simply an illusion or an aberrancy in reality that sooner or later will be repaired causing him to return to never having existed.

As for Apocalypse. In AOA an ancient, power crippled Magneto who was stated to be at half his original power level tore Apocalypse apart and supposedly killed him. The 616 Magneto is several times as powerful having been rejuvenated and increased in power over his original levels. With this in mind the fight should not even be close.

The only confrontation between Magneto and Doom that I can think of is when Doom released his mind control gas into the atmosphere. Doom summoned Magneto to fight him for control of the World because the victory was too easy and he was bored. Magneto ended up defeating Doom.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What issues were the Avengers/FF team-up in? I'm pretty sure Thor kicked Magneto's ass pretty soundly in Journey Into Mystery.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Now if he is as powerful as you claim he is, why is he defeated? (legitimate question, I'm not trying to win this debate because I don't know jack about Magneto. )

I believe Peter David put it best.

Val Cooper: Okay, no problem, we can handle the Hulk.
Quicksilver: Absolutely, we'll use his stupidity against him.
Galvin: Actually, he's extremely smart and crafty now.
Havok: Oh, right. I heard. But he's smaller, gray, and weaker than before.
Galvin: Actually, he's bigger, greener and stronger than ever.
Strong Guy: Ah, but we're pure of heart, and so must always win.

 

[CaptainClown]

I believe Peter David put it best.

Val Cooper: Okay, no problem, we can handle the Hulk.
Quicksilver: Absolutely, we'll use his stupidity against him.
Galvin: Actually, he's extremely smart and crafty now.
Havok: Oh, right. I heard. But he's smaller, gray, and weaker than before.
Galvin: Actually, he's bigger, greener and stronger than ever.
Strong Guy: Ah, but we're pure of heart, and so must always win.

heh

 

[TheCorpulent1]

So Magneto lets himself be defeated because heroes are heroic?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Half the mutants in the comics suddenly becoming Omega-level isn't really evolving; it's writers one-upping each other. Personally, I could stand to see all of the mutants toned down a bit.

Also, I never got how Magneto's control of magnetism or the electromagnetic spectrum blocked him from telepathic attacks.

Magneto originally was given telepathic abilities second only to Xavier, so that's where that comes from. Later on it would be retconned that his will was simply so strong he could resist telepathy.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So Magneto lets himself be defeated because heroes are heroic?

No, because it's a comic and if Magneto ever actually killed Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm and Xavier there wouldn't be any more X-Men stories.

It's almost like that one poster around here who insists the smartest Man in the DCU, Lex Luthor, is actually a dumbass because he cannot beat Superman.

 

[CaptainClown]

So Magneto lets himself be defeated because heroes are heroic?

Its the gentleman thing to do.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Magneto originally was given telepathic abilities second only to Xavier, so that's where that comes from. Later on it would be retconned that his will was simply so strong he could resist telepathy.

That's kind of lame. I hate it when powers are completely ill-defined or contradictory.

No, because it's a comic and if Magneto ever actually killed Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm and Xavier there wouldn't be any more X-Men stories.

It's almost like that one poster around here who insists the smartest Man in the DCU, Lex Luthor, is actually a dumbass because he cannot beat Superman.

Yeah, but that's a metatextual reason for Magneto to lose. There must be some justification given in the comics themselves for why Magneto loses if he's as godlike as everyone describes. I think that's what CaptainClown was going for.

 

[PhotoJones]

Magneto doesn't get beaten. He just beats himself a lot of the time.

 

[CaptainClown]

That's kind of lame. I hate it when powers are completely ill-defined or contradictory.

Yeah, but that's a metatextual reason for Magneto to lose. There must be some justification given in the comics themselves for why Magneto loses if he's as godlike as everyone describes. I think that's what CaptainClown was going for.

Ya more or less.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, but that's a metatextual reason for Magneto to lose. There must be some justification given in the comics themselves for why Magneto loses if he's as godlike as everyone describes. I think that's what CaptainClown was going for.

Is there? I don't know that there is, to be honest. I mean we know Batman to be a normal, non augmented human being, yet happily allow him to skirt death in situations where a normal human could not do so.

Magneto is godlike for the same reason Dark Phoenix, Darkseid, Thanos and Brainiac are godlike beings...dramatic effect. It's no fun to read about heroes defeating villains you know they can defeat.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Magneto seems to be pretty far overboard for the X-Men if that's all there is to his power levels. The major X-Men outside of Phoenix and maybe Storm if she's bringing her A game don't stand much of a chance against Magneto even if all he does is control magnetism on a really fine-tuned scale and can protect himself from psychic attacks. Plus, he tends to have back-up in the form of other ridiculously powerful mutants like Exodus and his Acolytes.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Magneto loses because like all human he can't think of everything no matter how close he comes. Xavier and the X-Men keep finding the flaw in his actions and exploiting it. The X-Men also have a fairly significant level of power themselves. At least since they created the second team. I don't recall what issue the story was in since I am dredging what I posted up out of memory after 30+ years. I will try to look in my copy of the Overstreet guide and see if it contains a reference to it that I can locate.