JLA vs. The X-men

[CaptainClown]

If atoms didn't pass his shield wouldn't Magneto suffocate if he is in there too long?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

ya flash is a little insane with his powers but hey what can you do.

Use psionics or magnetism to close the universe and prevent access to the speed force, preferably while Flash is in motion.

 

[CaptainClown]

uh huh...you know what that reminds me of?
On a Star Trek episode when they needed for something to work, preferably the ship to do certain things they would use all this science jargon as a plot device to do it. Something long the lines "oh ya umm magnetic transponders...ya those things...now we could travel light speed"
Good lord you make Magneto out to be a god. If he was that powerful wouldn't he have conquered the world or bring peace to mutants or whatever?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Magneto can apparently control whether something passes through his shields or not. His shields will block the passage of air since that is necessary for him to travel to and from the asteroid that he uses/used as a base as well as traveling to the moon. Conquering the world to bring peace etc. is what he has been trying to do for 40 years. While he is not a god he will do in the absence of one.

 

[CaptainClown]

If it blocks the passage of air how is he getting more air? Is he bending the magnetic polar ecliptic field pole of the universe and creating more air?

Seriously he could be defeated, if he couldn't there wouldn't be that much of a story just Magneto being owned. Hell Magneto got owned by zombie versions of superheros.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

I haven't read the zombie stories but I gather that they were deliberately ridiculous. Magneto could allow air to pass through to replenish his supply if he chose and was in a location that had air. Otherwise he would have to rely on what he had with him.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Use psionics or magnetism to close the universe and prevent access to the speed force, preferably while Flash is in motion.

OK! I'm done. I just don't have the patience to handle fanboys anymore. At least not today.


You win. Magneto takes out the justice league single handedly and the rest of the X-men sit and laugh and speak about how each one of them could have done it too. Xavier is in awe of Magneto's glory and laments about how Magneto has never lost a fight and how he feels sorry for the justice league.

 

[CaptainClown]

OK! I'm done. I just don't have the patience to handle fanboys anymore. At least not today.


You win. Magneto takes out the justice league single handedly and the rest of the X-men sit and laugh and speak about how each one of them could have done it too. Xavier is in awe of Magneto's glory and laments about how Magneto has never lost a fight and how he feels sorry for the justice league.

Seriously, I mean Magneto is cool but come on.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Seriously, I mean Magneto is cool but come on.

but he is unbeatable. He can't be beaten. His instantaneous impenetrable force-fields make him too grave a threat for the JLA to handle. Only the X-Men could even chip his aura.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

OK! I'm done. I just don't have the patience to handle fanboys anymore. At least not today.


You win. Magneto takes out the justice league single handedly and the rest of the X-men sit and laugh and speak about how each one of them could have done it too. Xavier is in awe of Magneto's glory and laments about how Magneto has never lost a fight and how he feels sorry for the justice league.

This is from the same person who on the previous page posted about how the speed force compensates for everything.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

This is from the same person who on the previous page posted about how the speed force compensates for everything.

what are you talking about? I was only stating how Flash can see and hear and not be burned to death by air friction. You are purposely taking what I said entirely out of context.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

When I posted about blocking the speed force I was being sarcastic. Although sadly it is not a totally impossible concept hopefully they will never take Magnetos powers quite that far.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

When I posted about blocking the speed force I was being sarcastic. Although sadly it is not a totally impossible concept hopefully they will never take Magnetos powers quite that far.

I have a question....

How does Magneto ever lose?

I admit that I haven't read any X men coimcs since the Wanda fiasco but now I'm curious....

How do the X-men ever stop him? How does anyone ever stop him?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

He pretty much can't be beaten on pure force unless you have planet wrecking power levels and are willing to use them. He is beaten by finesse. He is human and at the core a starry eyed idealist. It's in the execution of his ideals that he gets a little morally questionable. He was beaten once by a subtle trick when the X-Men pored on the power while Storm removed the moisture from the air thus dehydrating him. Xavier can defeat his shields if he devotes his entire power to one blast to the exclusion of everything else. He does have an upper limit to the amount of psionic energy he can block. While he is brilliant it is possible to out think him. It's the frontal assaults that fail.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

He pretty much can't be beaten on pure force unless you have planet wrecking power levels and are willing to use them. He is beaten by finesse. He is human and at the core a starry eyed idealist. It's in the execution of his ideals that he gets a little morally questionable. He was beaten once by a subtle trick when the X-Men pored on the power while Storm removed the moisture from the air thus dehydrating him. Xavier can defeat his shields if he devotes his entire power to one blast to the exclusion of everything else. He does have an upper limit to the amount of psionic energy he can block. While he is brilliant it is possible to out think him. It's the frontal assaults that fail.

So you believe he has never been beaten physically before? ever?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

In terms of actually being overpowered not that I can think of at the moment. Phoenix in the scans a few pages ago came really close. Magneto has what I suppose could be a beta version of the Power Cosmic. He has been stated to be an expression of Einstein's unified field theory. Which means that he has at least potential access to any and every force in the MU. He is at the pinnacle of human genius, and has the power of a god nearly but the man within is broken. There are those who could defeat him on power. The Surfer, Thor with the Godforce, Loki's magic, etc.

 

[Nokio]

In terms of actually being overpowered not that I can think of at the moment. Phoenix in the scans a few pages ago came really close. Magneto has what I suppose could be a beta version of the Power Cosmic. He has been stated to be an expression of Einstein's unified field theory. Which means that he has at least potential access to any and every force in the MU. He is at the pinnacle of human genius, and has the power of a god nearly but the man within is broken. There are those who could defeat him on power. The Surfer, Thor with the Godforce, Loki's magic, etc.

Wouldn't Mister M be able to beat him? Also there is no way that Magneto can beat Dr Strange or Sentry. Magneto does not have the power of a god. he is quite powerful, but i consider beings like Galactus or Enternity as having god like power. Thor doesn't need the Godforce to defeat Mags. It's amazing how to many X fans think that Magneto and Phoenix are unbeatable. If these people are so d@mn powerful why are they always defeated? I don't want to hear that crap about them being only human but with god like power.

The problem with some of these characters is that so many writers keep adjusting some of these mutants power levels or they add in some new abilty all of a sudden that their power has control over. Marvel retcons stuff far to much. The worse is probably Jean Grey now apparently is the one who allowed Galactus to enter the current universe when as his was destroyed.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Who Mister M is I don't know. Thor has fought Magneto and was found to be no threat. Most of Thor's powers either strengthen Magneto or don't penetrate his defenses. Mjolnir can be manipulated by Magnetism and Magneto dragged Thor around by it and laughed at him. Strange vs Magneto I think would be totally unpredictable. I doubt if either could block the others attacks and both have formidable offensive powers. Based on speed I think that the odds are with Magneto but Strange's mystic senses could possibly offset that. They might also kill each other.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'll have to check the Journey Into Mystery issue again, but I'm pretty sure you're blatantly mischaracterizing the battle between Thor and Magneto.

 

[Badfish40oz]

Well he could also do his crazy go back in time things and kick magnetos mom in the stomach when she is pregnant with him. It really depends on the writer and who you favor

Yeah, like the Flash ALWAYS does when there's a threat. Going by this logic, there should be no threats at all in the DCU with the Flash around.

In all seriousness (disregard my other posts in this thread, I was kidding), I think the JLA would win this, but the X-Men have a shot. At least a 2 or 3/10 shot.

 

[MagicPrime]

Magneto and Cyclops have both taken out speedsters without trouble too.

Flash's ability to penetrate solid matter is based on vibration. He vibrates until he reaches a point where the atoms of his body do not interfere with the atoms of the object that he wishes to pass through. If atoms will not pass through a barrier then they will not pass through no matter how he vibrates them since all he is really doing is moving them to another place. The power doesn't allow him to pass through energy fields unless the energy field itself is somehow special in that regard.

You do realize that Flash is exponentially faster than the fastest speedster in the Marvel U?

and as I've stated on another thread. What if Superman would go fly into the core of the sun like in "Our Worlds at War" again?

 

[trustyside-kick]

The problem with some of these characters is that so many writers keep adjusting some of these mutants power levels or they add in some new abilty all of a sudden that their power has control over. Marvel retcons stuff far to much. The worse is probably Jean Grey now apparently is the one who allowed Galactus to enter the current universe when as his was destroyed.

Yea, I understand the evolution reasoning behind certain powers improving or being added (and I actually really love the idea)...but they tend to take it too far. That's why I steer away from the X-Men title. People love Spidey, but he isn't the most damn powerful dude in the MU, now is he? Yet with a lot of characters, all of the sudden everyone is an Omega mutant lolololz rofflewaffle etc etc.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Who Mister M is I don't know. Thor has fought Magneto and was found to be no threat. Most of Thor's powers either strengthen Magneto or don't penetrate his defenses. Mjolnir can be manipulated by Magnetism and Magneto dragged Thor around by it and laughed at him. Strange vs Magneto I think would be totally unpredictable. I doubt if either could block the others attacks and both have formidable offensive powers. Based on speed I think that the odds are with Magneto but Strange's mystic senses could possibly offset that. They might also kill each other.

That's one of the issues with magic users. You just cannot predict their tactics in a fight. It is so easy to write those kind of characters because of this: there is no real boundaries.

But even with that said, Mags should not be able to take down Strange. All I hear about is how powerful Strange is supposed to be in the MU. No way a villain like Mags should be able to take him down.

 

[MagicPrime]

That's one of the issues with magic users. You just cannot predict their tactics in a fight. It is so easy to write those kind of characters because of this: there is no real boundaries.

But even with that said, Mags should not be able to take down Strange. All I hear about is how powerful Strange is supposed to be in the MU. No way a villain like Mags should be able to take him down.

Simple Math really.

Dr. Doom > Magneto
Dr. Strange > Dr. Doom
so logically
Dr. Strange > Magneto

 

[Nokio]

In terms of actually being overpowered not that I can think of at the moment. Phoenix in the scans a few pages ago came really close. Magneto has what I suppose could be a beta version of the Power Cosmic. He has been stated to be an expression of Einstein's unified field theory. Which means that he has at least potential access to any and every force in the MU. He is at the pinnacle of human genius, and has the power of a god nearly but the man within is broken. There are those who could defeat him on power. The Surfer, Thor with the Godforce, Loki's magic, etc.

Who Mister M is I don't know. Thor has fought Magneto and was found to be no threat. Most of Thor's powers either strengthen Magneto or don't penetrate his defenses. Mjolnir can be manipulated by Magnetism and Magneto dragged Thor around by it and laughed at him. Strange vs Magneto I think would be totally unpredictable. I doubt if either could block the others attacks and both have formidable offensive powers. Based on speed I think that the odds are with Magneto but Strange's mystic senses could possibly offset that. They might also kill each other.

I'm certain that Apocalypse has beaten Magneto before. Also Darkseid beat him as well.

Mister M is an Omega level mutant from those District X titles.
Powers: Mister M is an Omega-level mutant. Similar to Owen Reece, Mr. M has complete control over the form and structure of matter. Thus far, M has displayed: repair of machinery, intangibility, healing injuries either in himself or others, removal or augmentation of mutant abilities, and creation and evolution of lesser life forms, as well as energy manipulation and generation including lightning, fire, explosions, and creation of force fields.


Wouldn't Thor's Hammer be considered mystic in nature? I don't recall where Mags and Thor fought and he had power over Mjolnir. That would mean Magneto is more powerful then Odin, which i know he's not. I do recall a battle where Magneto fought that Eric Masterson(who isn't the real Thor) version of Thor and bested him though.

I'm also curious as to how Magneto can block mystical attacks? I'm quite certain that his power over magnetism and electro magnetic forces does not give him power over mystical forces. Dear lord don't tell me that marvel has done a recton and power or immunity over mystical forces is now in their with magneto's other abilites. You also for got about Sentry.