JLA vs. The X-men

[CBG]

You know at this point they need to just have all the mutants fly off into the Astral Plane like Nate Gray did back when he got too goddamn annoying to continue living on this earth.

That's how he died? I read it that he and the Alien Farmer guy reduced themselves to energy and simultaneously ran through every single life form on Earth (whether it was 616 or not, can't really say for sure).

Magneto, Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch are all argueably omegas

And some other mutants can be argued as well.

Also there is debate as to who is the most powerful Omega. Some say Phoenix is, and that she is the ultimate evolution of all mutant kind...all mutants will one day be Phoenixes. Some argue that Mister M and Vulcan are more powerful.

Vulcan on his own so far isn't that powerful, feat-wise.

I thought the ultimate evolution of humanity was Eternity, according to X-Men Forever.

 

[Phenomenal]

Magneto, Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch are all argueably omegas.

I wouldn't regard Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch as omega's in the Marvel U. Thor, Thanos, Surfer could beat them.

Magneto alone would waste the ENTIRE big seven of the JLA.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Scarlet Witch altered all of earth's, and potentially beyond, reality.

 

[Phenomenal]

Yeah, and no one powerful like Thor or Surfer was there to beat her down.

I highly doubt she could alter someone more powerful than herself (Just like any other warper).

 

[CaptainClown]

How about zombie X-men vs JLA

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Yeah, and no one powerful like Thor or Surfer was there to beat her down.

I highly doubt she could alter someone more powerful than herself (Just like any other warper).

What the Fudge!!? Do you know anything about comics at all? Scarlet Witch at her House of M levels would wipe her pretty bottom with anyone less than Odin or maybe even Galactus. She is a reality warper....that means she is far more powerful than the likes of Thor.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I wouldn't regard Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch as omega's in the Marvel U. Thor, Thanos, Surfer could beat them.

Magneto alone would waste the ENTIRE big seven of the JLA.

Wow, I'm really curious to hear how Magneto would even SURVIVE an encounter with Green Lantern or Flash let alone beat ONE(except maybe Batman) of them.

 

[Nokio]

I wouldn't regard Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch as omega's in the Marvel U. Thor, Thanos, Surfer could beat them.

Magneto alone would waste the ENTIRE big seven of the JLA.

Magneto would get his head handed to him period.

 

[Nokio]

That's false logic. Juggs at full power, literally cannot be stopped or hurt by physical means, so he'd be a pretty tough cookie for anyone to take down.

Juggs is not more powerful then supes. I'll say they are on the same level, Superman probably edges him out becuase he has the potential to be more destructive then Juggs, because of his additional powers. Juggs has strength and invulnerbility to sum it up, he doesn't have heat vision, superspeed, freeze breath, and super senses. Not saying Juggs would be a push over, cause Supes would have his hands full, but there are many ways that superman can defeat juggs, eventhough he doesn't hurt him. Also Superman may not be able to hurt him, but I'm certain that Galactus or the Celestials wouldn't have a problem.

As for Juggs at full power not being able to be hurt or stopped by any means, well maybe you shoyuld ask Onslaught how he hurt Juggs and ripped the Ruby of Cytorak out of his chest. Also how some other female character whom i forget was wearing Juggs down, cuase her power allowed her to see the weaknesses in anything and she could them exploit it

 

[Nokio]

Sure she has been shown to weild that power.

She ate an entire star system and destroyed several worlds in the process (inhabited worlds).

She survived a trip into he sun and used the atoms around her to mentally construct a star craft to return to Earth (with Wolverine)

She fought back the entire Shi'ar imperial Guard.

The only one who has ever shown sway over Phoenix, or Jean is Scott. Unless he tells her to stop, she won't stop.

The last two feats were done by Dark Phoenix, who at the time was a separate entity all together before marvel's silly stunts of rectoning every darn thing. As for her constructing a ship I could've sworn they were in something already that magento hurled into the sun if i remember correctly. I also remember some crap about Logan killing her so she could access the Phoenix force or wake it up. I also remember Logan saying she is basically god and after that i rolled my eyes and they lost me. I do remember the imposter mags killing Jean, um i mean God with a huge pulse of magnetic energy.

 

[BrianWilly]

Dark Phoenix is Jean. Yes, there was that cocoon retcon bullsht in the eighties where they tried to say they were separate people or whatever, but over the past decade or so it's been pretty sufficiently established that both Jean and Dark Phoenix were merely two parts of the same whole, split by various means. Whatever Dark Phoenix did, Jean Grey is capable of. And vice versa.

 

[Nokio]

Silver Surfer is potentially more powerful than Galactus I hope you realize. He was the one who turned the tide on Earth when Galactus tried to destroy it.

Because he is an Omega Level mutant who controls the strongest fundamental force in the Universe.

He can control the electromagnetic spectrum...go look it up...it's a pretty far reaching force is physics.

Galactus can wipe out whole star systems with ease. I'm talking multiple suns and planets and the entire armada of the anniliation Wave. I guess I never read where Magneto was that powerful or did things on that level. Kind of makes me wonder why does he even bother staying on earth, when he could just uproot mutant kind and make another planet, well maybe I'm going over board, but it's still silly none the less that you believe this man to be so powerful or that marvel has retconed that he is on Galactus's level.

So shouldn't Magneto be taking his spot with the Cosmic Entities like Eternity, Death, Eon, The Celestials, The Living Tribunal, Infinity and the few others i can't recall?

This is all really silly. These stupid mutants become annoying or their concept does when some asinine writer try and say they are god like powerful, but doesnt bother to explain why they waste their time over and over again on earth taking on the good guys if they are a villian or a vice versa.

 

[Nokio]

Wow, I'm really curious to hear how Magneto would even SURVIVE an encounter with Green Lantern or Flash let alone beat ONE(except maybe Batman) of them.

Well as someone mentioned magneto is as powerful as Galactus. LOL. Maybe a bit much, but Magneto can hold off galactus, which in turn equals the same thing about his power.

 

[CBG]

I wouldn't regard Mad Jim Jaspers and Scarlet Witch as omega's in the Marvel U. Thor, Thanos, Surfer could beat them.

You do not necessarily have to be an Omega-level mutant to be powerful. Case in point, Elixir.

Yeah, and no one powerful like Thor or Surfer was there to beat her down.

Genis-Vell was affected, and he's more powerful than both.

I highly doubt she could alter someone more powerful than herself (Just like any other warper).

True, but as to who, that's debatable.

 

[CBG]

Scarlet Witch altered all of earth's, and potentially beyond, reality.

If I remember the Uncanny tie-in right, she only affected 616, but her reality altering created a Chaos Wave.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Genis-Vell was affected, and he's more powerful than both.

No, he's not. More in tune with the universe due to his cosmic awareness, possibly. Although the Surfer's supposed to have some measure of cosmic awareness as well. But he's certainly not more powerful than Thor or the Surfer.

 

[CBG]

No, he's not. More in tune with the universe due to his cosmic awareness, possibly. Although the Surfer's supposed to have some measure of cosmic awareness as well. But he's certainly not more powerful than Thor or the Surfer.

Though, wasn't he suppose to destroy the universe in the future if Baron didn't stop him in time?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor was supposed to conquer Earth and kill off all its heroes if no one stopped him in time, too. That doesn't really mean much.

 

[shapeshifter]

Save that I'm trying to clarify.

Yes, the fact he did survive is impressive for a human, but it wasn't as if he confronted Darkseid with his standard equipment.

I agree, and you are right. but considering what we know about batman I doubt very much that he would show up at the X Mansion in his standard gear. He is smarter than that.

 

[CBG]

Thor was supposed to conquer Earth and kill off all its heroes if no one stopped him in time, too. That doesn't really mean much.

Though, did it not come to pass like AOA before becoming a diverged timeline?

I agree, and you are right. but considering what we know about batman I doubt very much that he would show up at the X Mansion in his standard gear. He is smarter than that.

Agreed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Though, did it not come to pass like AOA before becoming a diverged timeline?

Yes, it did. Thor went back and changed things so that timeline never happened.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Thor was supposed to conquer Earth and kill off all its heroes if no one stopped him in time, too. That doesn't really mean much.

I like how you compared destroying the universe to conquering a single planet.t:


but anyway....Genis was said to have the potential to manipulate the universe itself. Plus didn't he actually destroy the universe once?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, well, killing off a planet full of guys like the Hulk and Genis-Vell himself one by one probably takes about as much effort as destroying the universe.

Genis "destroyed the universe" by standing around while Entropy killed Eternity. By that logic, Rick Jones has beaten every one of the Hulk's villains.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Yeah, well, killing off a planet full of guys like the Hulk and Genis-Vell himself one by one probably takes about as much effort as destroying the universe.

Genis "destroyed the universe" by standing around while Entropy killed Eternity. By that logic, Rick Jones has beaten every one of the Hulk's villains.

lol.


I concede.

 

[fifthfiend]

lol.


I concede.

Dude you're never going to make it here with that kind of attitude.