JLA vs. The X-men

JLA vs. The X-men

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Because Magneto is basically a villain who has made extreme tactics a trademark since his first appearance.
If that were true, the X-Men would all be dead already. Magneto doesn't just kill everyone who crosses him in a heartbeat or anything, so I don't see how "extreme tactics" make him any likelier to take out the Flash than the Flash's super-speed makes him likely to take out Magneto.
 
how would Magneto even get off the ground before he gets infinite mass punched to the stomach? Flash can react between a fraction of fraction of a second.

How would Flash find him to hit him with the Infinite Mass Punch when Magneto can turn invisible. :) It all depends on who acts first. And that is a matter of circumstance which we cannot settle here.
 
Couldn't he just punish him before he turns invisible? The Flash doesn't perceive things the same as everyone else so while something may look instantaneous to other it looks as if it took years to The Flash.
 
Ditto. But I should also point out that flight and invulnerability were not Superman's intended powers but he has them. Remember, at one point in time, Kal El was simply a child from a world with greater gravity. Then as time went on his powers were expanded. This goes double for mutants, who tend to evolve over time.

It may just be semantics, but Kal-El was never simply a child from a world with greater gravity. That would be Kal-L
 
If that were true, the X-Men would all be dead already. Magneto doesn't just kill everyone who crosses him in a heartbeat or anything, so I don't see how "extreme tactics" make him any likelier to take out the Flash than the Flash's super-speed makes him likely to take out Magneto.

True but he generally goes into battle with sheilds up.

perhaps I'm mistaken but isn't the speed force:

A. energy of some sort?
B.From another dimension?

Magneto would sense the energy before the Flash arrived

Also he could potentially cuyt Flash off from the speed force
 
I think the JLA would lose 10 out of 10 times with the two proposed lineups

Take away Pheonix and replace her with Marvel Woman/Girl Jean Grey and The JLA win 8 of 10 but not without heavy casualties
 
again it depends on the writer and who is in the line up.

I know who would defeat Pheonix though

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Magneto should not be able to react that fast even if he could somehow sense the energy. The Flash is faster then thought. The Phoenix still has to think doesn't she? How can they beat someone who can kill them before their brains can even register that a fight has begun?
 
Thats why I made the comparison to paintballing. It is like when you see the paintball coming at you and you try to move to get out of the way but you just are too slow.
 
Thats why I made the comparison to paintballing. It is like when you see the paintball coming at you and you try to move to get out of the way but you just are too slow.
That's a terrible analogy. Thoughts and reactions are two different things. Stepping out of a paintball's path is far different for a normal human than it is for someone who is subconsciously linked to the electromagnetic fields of everything around him. Magneto has deflected bullets away from himself that were fired at him from behind. He doesn't need to step out of something's way, nor does he have to react in the normal human sense in order to manipulate something.
 
True but he generally goes into battle with sheilds up.

perhaps I'm mistaken but isn't the speed force:

A. energy of some sort?
B.From another dimension?

Magneto would sense the energy before the Flash arrived

Also he could potentially cuyt Flash off from the speed force
No, he couldn't. Maybe Barry or Jay, but not Wally. Wally is directly connected to the Speed Force. Not even a speedster of Savitar's power and skill could cut him off from it, even though he cut off the rest of the speedsters.

It's not from another dimension, either. Or at least it wasn't pre-IC. I don't know what the deal with it is now, but pre-IC it was the component of the Source that fueled motion. It's a fundamental part of the universe, so Wally's control of it is every bit as potent as Magneto's control of the EM spectrum. Granted, Magneto would be willing to go much more lethal with his powers than Wally would with the Speed Force.
 
The Flash is faster then thought. The Phoenix still has to think doesn't she?
Magneto and Phoenix, Phoenix especially, don't need to think like you or I. Both Phoenix and Magneto have "awarenesses" linked to their powers. In Phoenix case, a telepath of immense and immeasurable power, super speed is not very handy against an all powerful cosmic entity who can predict your every move in advance.

Also Magneto can sense changes in the electromagnetic spectrum...say, like a speedster moving beyond the speed of light, and compensate unconsciously...as we see frequently with his shields. Phoenix herself is cosmically aware. This means she is inseperably linked to the cosmos. Flash isn't going to stand much of a chance when she takes away his ability to be fast in the first place.
How can they beat someone who can kill them before their brains can even register that a fight has begun?
How can Flash hurt anyone whose shields stand up to class 100+ fighters.
 
That's a terrible analogy. Thoughts and reactions are two different things. Stepping out of a paintball's path is far different for a normal human than it is for someone who is subconsciously linked to the electromagnetic fields of everything around him.

Then if thats true, why would he even get hurt? If it all routed to his subconscious then why move? Good lord if he could do that why does he even lose? He has to think about, and have to concentrate if he doesn't then that is just getting carried away.
 
Magneto and Phoenix, Phoenix especially, don't need to think like you or I. Both Phoenix and Magneto have "awarenesses" linked to their powers. In Phoenix case, a telepath of immense and immeasurable power, super speed is not very handy against an all powerful cosmic entity who can predict your every move in advance.

How can Flash hurt anyone whose shields stand up to class 100+ fighters.
By sucking the kinetic energy away from him, leaving him, for all intents and purposes, a living statue? You don't necessarily have to be able to touch someone to beat them.
 
Subconscious thought is still thought. The Flash moves faster then the brain can process data. By the time that the light that has reflected off of Flash standing stationary has hit their eyes The Flash can have already removed their brains.
 
Magneto should not be able to react that fast even if he could somehow sense the energy. The Flash is faster then thought. The Phoenix still has to think doesn't she? How can they beat someone who can kill them before their brains can even register that a fight has begun?


How can somone who moves faster than thought decide where to go.

And no the Pheonix doesn't "think" as humans understand it

She is basically linked to everything so she just knows.
 
Then if thats true, why would he even get hurt?
He rarely does. We're talking about an 60-80 year old man who took a punch from Colossus and shook it off.
If it all routed to his subconscious then why move?
He sometimes doesn't. He's been shown to affect things on a grand scale before without moving
Good lord if he could do that why does he even lose?
Why does Galactus, a reality warping, all powerful God, who can blink people out of existence ever lose. IT'S A COMIC:whatever:
He has to think about, and have to concentrate if he doesn't then that is just getting carried away.
Concentration is different from thinking. He has concentrated for years. I don't have to concentrate to walk anymore, I used to. This stuff is second nature to him.
 
Magneto's body is still in his physical prime thanks to his de-aging and re-aging, isn't it? Or near his physical prime. Mid-40s, tops.
How can somone who moves faster than thought decide where to go.

And no the Pheonix doesn't "think" as humans understand it

She is basically linked to everything so she just knows.
I'm pretty sure everyone reached the consensus that the Phoenix would own both the JLA and the X-Men before they could blink a while ago. We've just been going back and forth about Magneto, really.
 
Subconscious thought is still thought. The Flash moves faster then the brain can process data. By the time that the light that has reflected off of Flash standing stationary has hit their eyes
Actually he doesn't. Deathstroke has been shown to think faster than Wally.
 
Because The Flash thinks faster then everyone else. If the Phoenix just knows everything then why didn't she know Magneto was using her powers to drain her? That panel clearly shows her thoughts while she is fighting him.
 
Because The Flash thinks faster then everyone else. If the Phoenix just knows everything then why didn't she know Magneto was using her powers to drain her? That panel clearly shows her thoughts while she is fighting him.
That was very early on in her development as the Phoenix. Even Xavier didn't understand what was going on with her powers at that point.
 
Actually he doesn't. Deathstroke has been shown to think faster than Wally.
At their relative base speeds, possibly. But Wally's driven Gorilla Grodd out of his mind by speeding his brain up past what Grodd could handle, and he doesn't even have to consciously kick himself into that level of high-speed thought and perception; it happens automatically on at least some occasions.
 
Because The Flash thinks faster then everyone else. If the Phoenix just knows everything then why didn't she know Magneto was using her powers to drain her? That panel clearly shows her thoughts while she is fighting him.


That was before she knew the extent of her power

On her own she could easily destroy the universe

As in Big Bang no more speed force no more JLA or Magneto/Xmen
 
Because The Flash thinks faster then everyone else.
Noooo. The flash thinks faster than the average human. But even Deathstroke, who has an augmented brain, was shown to have out thought the Flash (Wally). Wally thinks fast, but we also know his brain doesn't preceive all that he picks up at Super speed (as said in Teen Titans). He's fast, but it's not that huge of an advantage.

And Flash doesn't think quicker than cosmically aware entities, like the Phoenix.
 
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