JLA vs. The X-men

[CaptainClown]

Then all you would need to do is outsmart him?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Then all you would need to do is outsmart him?

Easier said than done. Magneto's genius ranks well past Xaviers. The X-Men usually defeat him by disabling his plans...but not defeating him outright. For example, if Magneto has plans to nuke the west coast, disabling the nukes themselves is usually the route taken to stop Magneto.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Magneto loses because like all human he can't think of everything no matter how close he comes. Xavier and the X-Men keep finding the flaw in his actions and exploiting it. The X-Men also have a fairly significant level of power themselves. At least since they created the second team. I don't recall what issue the story was in since I am dredging what I posted up out of memory after 30+ years. I will try to look in my copy of the Overstreet guide and see if it contains a reference to it that I can locate.

So the JLA don't have the power or coordination IYO to stop Magneto let alone the entire X-men even though each of these characters have faced bigger threats in solo comics(especially Lantern).

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Easier said than done. Magneto's genius ranks well past Xaviers. The X-Men usually defeat him by disabling his plans...but not defeating him outright. For example, if Magneto has plans to nuke the west coast, disabling the nukes themselves is usually the route taken to stop Magneto.

So Magneto just walks away afterwards?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Then all you would need to do is outsmart him?

That would still be difficult and you would have to back it up with a lot of power on top of that but that is indeed how he ends up losing. In the end he relies only on himself for planning while the X-Men are a team who reinforce each others weak points.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So Magneto just walks away afterwards?

Flies away usually. For example, when he was defeated in (Uncanny) X-Men #1 he simply flew off swearing revenge. Much like most other villains.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I wonder what Magneto can do to stop Lantern from just draining the energy from his shields? Or Manhunter from phasing right through them?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

So the JLA don't have the power or coordination IYO to stop Magneto let alone the entire X-men even though each of these characters have faced bigger threats in solo comics(especially Lantern).

The JLA has the raw power if they used it properly but they don't understand what they are up against. They know very little about Magneto and his capabilities if indeed they know anything at all. The powers and abilities of the JLA are fairly obvious and easy to figure out. A well written Hal would I think be the last one standing and would make for a long and viscious battle. Hal might well win in the end if he can last long enough to come to some understanding about Magneto's powers and tactics but I don't think that he could prevent the others from falling first. As some here may have figured out by now I have a generally low opinion of other GL's except for Alan Scott.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

The JLA has the raw power if they used it properly but they don't understand what they are up against. They know very little about Magneto and his capabilities if indeed they know anything at all. The powers and abilities of the JLA are fairly obvious and easy to figure out. A well written Hal would I think be the last one standing and would make for a long and viscious battle. Hal might well win in the end if he can last long enough to come to some understanding about Magneto's powers and tactics but I don't think that he could prevent the others from falling first. As some here may have figured out by now I have a generally low opinion of other GL's except for Alan Scott.

Once again your bias is showing. How come in your opinion The X-men can figure out the powers of the JLA but the JLA don't have a clue what they are up against?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I wonder what Magneto can do to stop Lantern from just draining the energy from his shields? Or Manhunter from phasing right through them?

Kitty Pryde and Vision have been shown ineffective at phasing through Magneto's fields. As for Green Lantern...I suppose he could yank the iron from his body, use it to rip him in half. He could turn his energy against him. Drain him of his power. Drop a mountain on top of him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Shields work both ways, though. I'm not sure if Green Lantern energy is as easy to manipulate as any other energy, either. Even if it is, it comes down to a battle of wills. Apparently Magneto has ridiculously effective willpower if it can just stop telepathic attacks cold--which is beyond ******ed, but I digress--but Green Lanterns are pretty much all about willpower. Kyle's held a black hole open with sheer willpower before and most of the other GLs have similar feats that they can chalk up primarily to flat-out strength of will. I'm not saying a GL is going to be the clear victor over Magneto or anything, but I don't think it's as cut and dried as you're making it out to be.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Once again your bias is showing. How come in your opinion The X-men can figure out the powers of the JLA but the JLA don't have a clue what they are up against?

Superman is a gaudily clad mass of muscle. Magneto has seen plenty of those and should recognize the general type.

GL wields a ring that is usually glowing in any confrontation. It radiates energy and creates constructs. Magneto can sense and analyze energy and in addition the MU has at least three people with roughly similar powers. Quasar and Dr. Spectrum with devices and Cerise who was with the X-Men by natural power. Magneto should by all rights recognize the type although he may not realize the power level and versatility right off.

Wonder Woman is a scantily clad woman with what should be obvious physical attributes if he sees her move. Her grace and coordination should be noticable. The lasso would also indicate physical ability although it would probably make him think of bondage and S&M. The wrong track to the approximately right conclusion. Again the MU has several variations on the theme that Magneto should be aware of. The She Hulk and Thundra being two of them.

Hawkman/Hawkgirl have artificial wings that he can sense and probably analyze instantly.

Batman. Costume designed to blend in with the darkness and a belt filled with gadgets some of which Mags would be able to sense.

Flash. I am unfamiliar with the current costume design but the Flash costume has traditionally employed a lightning bolt theme just like Quicksilver does.

Martian Manhunter. The ambiguous one. Physical powers like Supermans should be fairly obvious. Magneto has low level mental powers and may be able to sense MM's telepathic ability. Not a given though.

This is simply Magneto alone. If as stated in the original post Phoenix is present she would simply use cosmic awareness to find out everything she needs to know about the JLA's entire history and telepathically pass it on to the other X-Men. Including things that the JLAers might have forgotten from their own childhoods such as phobias.

 

[CaptainClown]

Wait so what? So the answer remains why does Magneto ever lose? You have demonstrated Magneto is all powerful, how could he lose then? Does he just have some off days?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Wait so what? So the answer remains why does Magneto ever lose? You have demonstrated Magneto is all powerful, how could he lose then? Does he just have some off days?

Despite his overall power he has an off life.

 

[CaptainClown]

If he has an off life then how would he thwart someone like Flash which requires you to be very alert throughout the entire battle.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Because he tends to thwart the obvious ones who use raw ability against him. It is the ones who think, plan and use strategy that are effective against him if they have power enough to back it up. As I said Hal would be a good match as would Alan, Captain Comet, MM maybe, Darkseid, Metron, Dr. Fate, Despero. Any of these would be in the same league or superior if they understood him and a few even if they did not. Like Darkseid and Despero. Hal or Alan if they fought Mags once or twice or got to talk to the X-Men about him should win most if not all of the time on sheer prowess. But not without some knowledge.

 

[CaptainClown]

Well the same could be said with flash. Magneto has never encountered someone like flash who is probably the fastest creature out there. He would take for granted that he is like Quick silver or whatever. You are also thinking that Flash would just keep punching him until he submits. Clearly you are bias and wouldn't want someone like Magneto even have a chance of losing against someone like Flash or anyone in JLA for that matter.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Barry, Wally and Jay didn't usually use extreme speed or extreme tactics unless they already knew the situation warranted it. If Flash somehow knew that he needed an extreme tactic right off the bat then yeah he might pull it off. But would he know that or would he expect to be able to get by with more mundane tactics?

 

[CaptainClown]

Both these characters don't know what to expect from each other. If anything I would imagine Magneto would completely underestimate him and thats where your fallibility would come in and he might get owned for a portion fo the battle. Magneto would probably win but still take a beating.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

If Flash and Magneto both had a good idea of what they were up against and no other considerations than winning I think that a highly probable outcome would be a stalemate. Flash too fast to hit and Magneto hovering high off the ground behind a shield and unattackable and possibly invisible and undetectable. It would ultimately come down to an endurance test and I have no idea who would win.

 

[Flash Facts]

Hi everyone. I'm a first time poster but I have been lurking around for months.

Anyways on to the discussion, Why would Magneto know to use extreme tactics but not the JLA?

Oh yea, I think the JLA would win If you haven't guessed it yet.

 

[CaptainClown]

Hi welcome to SHH, when it all comes down to it there is one decider of who would win all these battles.

Spoiler

The writer

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Because Magneto is basically a villain who has made extreme tactics a trademark since his first appearance.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

If Flash and Magneto both had a good idea of what they were up against and no other considerations than winning I think that a highly probable outcome would be a stalemate. Flash too fast to hit and Magneto hovering high off the ground behind a shield and unattackable and possibly invisible and undetectable. It would ultimately come down to an endurance test and I have no idea who would win.

how would Magneto even get off the ground before he gets infinite mass punched to the stomach? Flash can react between a fraction of fraction of a second.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I really hope you don't think he's just a quicksilver!