JLA vs. The X-men

[Flash Facts]

So how is it that people dodge and block her attacks?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Noooo. The flash thinks faster than the average human. But even Deathstroke, who has an augmented brain, was shown to have out thought the Flash (Wally). Wally thinks fast, but we also know his brain doesn't preceive all that he picks up at Super speed (as said in Teen Titans). He's fast, but it's not that huge of an advantage.

At their relative base speeds, possibly. But Wally's driven Gorilla Grodd out of his mind by speeding his brain up past what Grodd could handle, and he doesn't even have to consciously kick himself into that level of high-speed thought and perception; it happens automatically on at least some occasions.

Where did they say anything about what the Flash perceives at super-speed in Teen Titans?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Where did they say anything about what the Flash perceives at super-speed in Teen Titans?

Kid Flash remembers what he reads at super speed, Wally doesn't.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Kid Flash remembers what he reads at super speed, Wally doesn't.

Wow, does your arm hurt from reaching that far? Wally's short-term memory spits the stuff he reads at super-speed out after a little while. That doesn't somehow equate to his not perceiving "all that he picks up at super speed." His senses function the same at super-speed as they do at normal speed; he just won't necessarily remember every detail of every little thing afterwards, unlike Bart.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

So how is it that people dodge and block her attacks?

She decimated the X-Men, the Hellfire Club, and the Shi'ar Imperial Guard...aside from Xornito giving her a stroke and scattering her "pieces" no one has ever truly beaten Phoenix.

Cyclops found, though, when she was beating the X-Men she was purposely pulling her punches because Jean secretly loved them too much to let them be hurt.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

She decimated the X-Men, the Hellfire Club, and the Shi'ar Imperial Guard...aside from Xornito giving her a stroke and scattering her "pieces" no one has ever truly beaten Phoenix.

Yeah, only to be beheaded by the guy halfway made of metal afterwards. God, what a stupid story.

Note: This has nothing to do with your argument at all, I just get annoyed anytime I hear about that god-awful mess of a story.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, only to be beheaded by the guy halfway made of metal afterwards. God, what a stupid story.

Note: This has nothing to do with your argument at all, I just get annoyed anytime I hear about that god-awful mess of a story.

Magneto and Xornito were not "She(s)"

But, yes, as much as I love Morrison...his conclusion to Magneto's life was pointless, stupid and led to a mass of stupid and pointless retcons.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Magneto's mind also works faster than human and he's a top level genius as well. Wolverine also has a mind that works at better than human speed. Flash may think faster than any of them but it won't be a truly huge advantage. Wally was never exceptional at thinking at any speed although he was by no means stupid. His ability to think and plan was strictly average. After COIE I didn't follow Wally much so maybe he improved but I never saw any sign of it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

His ability to plan is not the issue. His ability to think, act, and react so fast that Magneto looks like a statue to him is.

Magneto and Xornito were not "She(s)"

Yeah, that referred to Xornito. I should've been clearer on that.

But, yes, as much as I love Morrison...his conclusion to Magneto's life was pointless, stupid and led to a mass of stupid and pointless retcons.

Quite. His run really went down in flames towards the end.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yeah, that referred to Xornito. I should've been clearer on that.

Umm, the post you responded to was about Phoenix

 

[Flash Facts]

The Flash can have conversations at speeds that are undetectable to anyone that is not a speedster and navigate and plan actions at faster then light travel he has to think faster then you are implying.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Umm, the post you responded to was about Phoenix

But you mentioned Xornito in it. I realize that he wasn't the subject of the post, which is why I said I should've been clearer.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

But you mentioned Xornito in it. I realize that he wasn't the subject of the post, which is why I said I should've been clearer.

Ah, Gotcha

 

[Flash Facts]

Oh yea and my question was if she just knows everything how do people dodge and block her attacks, not if she has been defeated.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Phoenix was generally only defeated because Jean was all confused or not aware of how powerful she really was or holding back. Jean was its handicap.

 

[Flash Facts]

Again I I'm not asking how she is defeated, I am asking how if she knows everything are her attacks dodged and blocked? Also are you saying that the Phoenix can tell the future? Finally is there any proof that she has comic awareness? As far as I know she only has psionic abilities on a cosmic scale. I am not trying to be a fanboy or anything I really am interested in finding out as I have not followed comics very closely and am just starting to get back into reading them.

PS Can anyone tell me how to set my avatar?

 

[CaptainClown]

you need 300 posts before you can put an avvy
and ya this debate leads to nowhere

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You've gotta reach a certain post count to get an avatar.

As for the Phoenix questions, I'll let people who are much better versed in Phoenix lore tell you.

 

[Flash Facts]

Ah I see thanks for the help.

 

[trustyside-kick]

How would Flash find him to hit him with the Infinite Mass Punch when Magneto can turn invisible. It all depends on who acts first. And that is a matter of circumstance which we cannot settle here.

The Flash would be able to hit him before Magneto had time to do so...you seem to keep forgetting that. Magneto, while as uber powerful as you are all saying, is in fact human. And even the smartest of men need to process thought to react. And I cannot even count how many times it was mentioned that the Flash can obviously travel faster than thought.

So good luck with Magneto seeing or sensing for feeling Flash quick enough to put up his shield or turn invisible.

 

[Anubis]

Hell, couldn't he just phase through his field anyway? Or the old get halfway through and explode trick.

 

[trustyside-kick]

And it doesn't matter how intelligent Magneto can be. Smarter people do not necessarily react to everything better.

That has to do with reflexes. Granted, you have to put thought and send a message to your brian...but when the hell does it mean the smarter you are the faster you react?

 

[trustyside-kick]

Hell, couldn't he just phase through his field anyway? Or the old get halfway through and explode trick.

Everyone is pointing to the notion that he cannot because Vision and Kitty couldn't.

Granted, Wally and the Speed Force are completely different things. Who knows, the power of the Speed Force fueling Wally could penetrate and I wouldn't be surprised if it could (this is not being biased at all, I'm not saying Wally could right out own him, I'm just pointing this out). Who is to say that the Speed Force cannot? That's for the editorial staff to decide. :/

In a lot of ways, the Speed Force is basically a force of Nature.

 

[Anubis]

Didn't Hemingway say that Genius was the ability to learn faster?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

First the answer to your question is that people don't block or avoid her attacks. They get hit and totaled by them pretty much infallibly unless Jean on some level or other intends otherwise. When her powers were new to her she didn't know that she had subconsciously limited her power levels to what her human mind could understand. Phoenix like all the cosmic beings does have cosmic awareness and has even, as a punishment, forced that state on the original Mastermind for several months.