JLA vs. The X-men

[Lackey]

But Onslaught really became powerful after taking Franklin Richards and Nate Grey, so I don't think you can say it was all Professor X.

 

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Lackey
But Onslaught really became powerful after taking Franklin Richards and Nate Grey, so I don't think you can say it was all Professor X.

He punched juggernaut 10 miles away and left him unconcious BEFORE getting franklin and X-man. Plus the fact that he was able to trap the two powerful mutants on the planet and use their powers also counts for something

 

[White_Howling]

the JLA team is based on gods...

i don't think the x-men have fought gods...

the JLA has fought gods..

so sad to say JLA

 

[XFanTim]

I'm pretty sure it's true that Onslaught had some of Magneto's powers as well, which Prof. X had somehow absorbed when he blasted Mags into a coma. It's well established that Xavier has telepathy only, and that wouldn't allow him to physically beat Juggernaut, for example.

Then again, Onslaught did lots of things that shouldn't be possible. Pulling the gem out of Cain's chest, anyone? (It's not a matter of power -- the gem was never in his chest befor that!)

 

[White_Howling]

heh heh if Chamber was part of the team! hell yeah.. just ask him to release all his power and blow everyone apart..

also i believe in the power of X-Man (nate grey) if he could only control his powers. after all professor x. said nate was the stronger psychic alive..

 

[XFanTim]

Originally posted by White_Howling
after all professor x. said nate was the stronger psychic alive..

(spoiler if you still don't know how the X-Man series ended)

Spoiler

I guess now that means he's the strongest psychic dead

 

[White_Howling]

Originally posted by XFanTim
(spoiler if you still don't know how the X-Man series ended)

Spoiler

I guess now that means he's the strongest psychic dead

I know hes.. dead.. he was my favorite character... alot better than cable imo

 

[ohwattagosiam]

Originally posted by Lackey
Yeah, it's not impressive... had Professor X done something similar, then it would be impressive. But since MM did it, it's just something to roll your eyes at.

I know I've posted this before somewhere but I can't find it so...

Basically: A 'severely weakened' Prof X scanned every mind on planet Earth and extracted only the good thoughts (good will, feelings, whatever you wanna call it) from them and channelled them into a pyschic blast (sent through the X-Men) that he sent into space, which rebutted an alien invasion, WITHOUT the assistance of Cerebro.

Not only is that more impressive than MM's telepathy, but it's a roll your eyes moment since Prof X did that waayyyyy back in Uncanny X-Men #54, or their abouts. I don't have the reference material right now but it's around Neal Adam's run, and appears in a X-men Visionaries tpb.

EDIT: I know that Guyverjay can back me up on this, just like last time!

 

[Assassin]

JLA, all the way, come on ppl chant it with me "JLA, all the way"

OOO big scary Laser eyes, how woyld cyclops laser eyes go vs supermans heat vision?

any one for a BBQ?

JLA, All The Way...

In the words of Thedore R. Long: Holla Holla, Holla belead dat playa

 

[XFanTim]

Cyclops doesn't have laser eyes.

But you knew that already, right?

 

[Assassin]

Um its a joke and i call him laser eyes cuz i dont like him

 

[PaleRider]

I don't think the X-men would even be a real challenge for the JLA. JLA would just step on them on thier way to a tougher fight.

 

[americanguy96]

Phoenix could send the JLA hurling into the sun without them thinking twice. My only concern would be Green Lantern, but once Phoenix telekineticly removed his ring he wouldn't be a problem.

 

[GL1]

This is crazy...

First off, why the heck would Flash ever grab Cyclops' visor? It looks pretty? Why would Superman run and deck everyone at superspeed? Or Wonder Woman? Have they ever done that? Ever? Flash *may*be... but the other people with high cruise speeds (Supes, Wondy, MM, GL) tend not to be so quick on the draw or impulsive... that's how heroes get killed...

So with a 'real' fight... we've got Flash out the gate... making himself the first target... he has three 'thought seconds' before he mysteriously falls asleep between Professor X, Phoenix, Psylocke and White Queen, depending on who's there.

As for Batman vs Wolverine. Has Batman *ever* met anyone that he couldn't keep up with hand to hand? has he *ever*met anyone who beat him with some minor powers? (Healing, animal senses)... ever? As for Wolvie... have you ever seen him immobilized by gas? Or electricity? Or any number of non-lethal attacks? Slowed, weakened, yes, but immobilized? Beaten? Wolverine vs Batman is the most even fight ever conceived of in comics. Neither of them ever lose... EVER. Not even a little bit and both of them have taken on speedsters, flying tanks and psionics and come out on top. It's an even fight if I ever saw one... it's just a popularity contest.

Strengthwise, no one's standing up to Superman's punches, or wonder woman's for that matter... that's where the JLA's real strenghts lie... and the fact that they move a bit faster, even when not at top speed... Cyclops can take out Aquaman or Green Arrow, but Superman can actually take those mountain levelling blasts while wonderwoman can probably deflect them! Bishop has nothing to fear from GL's blasts... but GL will eventually get smart and lock the guy down... the X-Men have such wild and wonderful and powerful talents that the JLA's meager creatvity can't really stand up to it... Cyclops's beams can stand up to Superman's, but Superman flies and is invulnerable...

That's why the JLA wins this fight, because, after a few rounds of getting surprised and hit and manipulated, they will begin pushing themselves... bring out that 'hands that can fuse coal into diamonds' strength and that 'Hermes? Oh, I thought you were *fast*...' speed and the X-Men take the fall... even Phoenix can't match with a Green Lantern in full stride, much less an A+ one like John, Kyle or Hal. Even the impressive powers of Xavier and Phoenix can't bore through the Martian Manhunters' elite practiced mental defenses, AND Superman's, AND Flash's super-quick brain, AND GL's willpower...

 

[Guyverjay]

This is crazy...


As for Batman vs Wolverine. Has Batman *ever* met anyone that he couldn't keep up with hand to hand? has he *ever*met anyone who beat him with some minor powers? (Healing, animal senses)... ever?

Lady Shiva

Deathstroke the terminator


As for Wolvie... have you ever seen him immobilized by gas? Or electricity? Or any number of non-lethal attacks? Slowed, weakened, yes, but immobilized? Beaten?

Yes by Shingen the Japanese crimelord. He drugged him then beat the crap out of him with a wooden sword
...

...

 

[X]

Batman's beaten Shiva as well.

And that was back in the day when Wolverine was much, much weaker overall. Took him like, a day to heal from gunshots, or a small stab wound.

 

[Anubis]

heh, I bet he got splinters to.

 

[Dayreck]

Think. If Batman could've taken out the entire JLA, I'm sure he'd
have no problem with the X-Men or Wolverine even. And don't
bring up the fact that he took time to come up with methods to
take down the JLA because this isn't about preparation, the X-men
aren't going to run into Bats while he's having a foamy latte' or anything.

As for the real topic with this thread.. I myself favor the X-Men but
I'm sure a single member of the JLA could take on any X-Men line up.

JLA take it.

 

[X]

Batman did nothing besides come up with the plans. Ra's men carried them out. That's one of the reasons they work, how and when they struck. Just Batman literally might of been able to take out a few of them by himself.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The current incarnations of Batman and Wolverine would probably end up fighting forever. Batman would easily gather more information about Wolverine than Weapon X (or Weapon Plus or whatever they're calling it these days), Paul Jenkins, Len Wein, and his own mother combined know in like 5 minutes, develop several plans that account for every contingency, and execute them flawlessly. Wolverine would gladly take all the punishment Batman can throw at him, then his healing factor would reform his entire body from the single proton that remains of it in approximately 4.2 seconds (yeah, I know it seems slow, but finding electrons is a b****). Then they would fight hand-to-hand using every dirty trick in the book and Batman would disappear stealthily to return later and try again.

 

[AmazinUncleBen]

The current incarnations of Batman and Wolverine would probably end up fighting forever. Batman would easily gather more information about Wolverine than Weapon X (or Weapon Plus or whatever they're calling it these days), Paul Jenkins, Len Wein, and his own mother combined know in like 5 minutes, develop several plans that account for every contingency, and execute them flawlessly. Wolverine would gladly take all the punishment Batman can throw at him, then his healing factor would reform his entire body from the single proton that remains of it in approximately 4.2 seconds (yeah, I know it seems slow, but finding electrons is a b****). Then they would fight hand-to-hand using every dirty trick in the book and Batman would disappear stealthily to return later and try again.

Lmao....proton...heheheh

 

[professor_x]

I have to admit that I didn't read every reply, so someone may have mentioned this. Although Wolverine is tough to beat, he can't match wits with Batman. Batman would devise some countermeasure for him just like he had planned for the JLA in "Tower of Babel" (best comic I've ever read).

Even with no time to plan, he'll go back to the cave after the first fight and think something up for him... Maybe if Logan tracked him back to the cave, he might have a chance. But then again, Logan is more likely to go get a beer and have a cigar, where Batman will stay up all night thinking up contigency plans for him.

 

[taskmaster]

Jla

 

[Cap1970]

Jla.

 

[el sensei]

Wow, this is would be one hell of a Brawl. Here's the best I could match them up.

Round 1
Cyclops vs. Aquaman = Cyclops
Wolverine vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. Wonder Woman = Rogue
Storm vs. Hawkgirl = Storm
Jean Grey (Phoenix) vs. Martian Manhunter = Jean Grey
Colossus vs. Superman = Superman
Bishop vs. The Flash = The Flash
Gambit vs. Green Arrow = Gambit
Magneto vs. Green Lantern = Green Lantern

Round 2
Cyclops vs. Batman = Batman
Rogue vs. The Flash = The Flash
Storm/Gambit vs. Superman = Superman
Jean Grey vs. Green Lantern = Jean Grey

Round 3
Batman/The Flash/Superman vs. Jean Grey = JLA

Sorry I didn't give any good explanations, i'm tired and don't feel like typing out Paragraphs.

Batman can never beat Cyclops he would get blasted before he can move. Listen try to evade the eyes of a friend of yours as if he was Cyclops, just as you wouldnt be able to keep him from staring at you in less than a second so would Batman be unable to keep Cyclops from frying him.