John Titor: Real Mcfly

[DeGenerate10]

So the universe were in is the universe that John created by traveling to our time?

 

[Catman]

Did he take a sports almanac back with him?

 

[DeGenerate10]

An Italian TV program (Voyager - Ai confini della conoscenza) aired an investigation of the John Titor story on May 19, 2008. Mike Lynch, the private detective hired to investigate, found that there were no registry traces, even far in the past, of any John Titor or Titor family. In addition, the John Titor Foundation had no office and its address is a rented post box; no tapes, recordings, or evidence of Titor were found; and only Larry Haber (an advocate and owner of the commercial rights about all concerns involving John Titor) confirmed his existence. Lynch's conclusion is that John Titor may be John Rick Haber, a computer expert who is or was Larry Haber's brother.

That's because Titor isn't his real last name. I believe he said this

 

[Catman]

That's because Titor isn't his real last name. I believe he said this

That's heavy.

 

[The Spawn]

On numerous occasions Titor posted comments that appeared to be tongue-in-cheek[citation needed]: when asked why his images were of such low quality, he replied that he was "not a photographer", and when asked if "Titor" was his real name, he replied that it was "a real name".[7]

[7] = http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread61559/pg1

 

[The Spawn]

Actually, he says...Yes, John Titor is a real name.....a real name...not, my real name...but he still said yes to the question asked of him.

 

[DeGenerate10]

I think he said he wanted to protect his family in this time period but I can't really remember

 

[The Spawn]

Time period or universe?

Or time period of that universe?

 

[DeGenerate10]

Time period or universe?

Or time period of that universe?

Time period of this universe

 

[StorminNorman]

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over. The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.

This I found interesting.

 

[DV8]

Examination of the claims

Predictive failures

The posts were met with skepticism when they were being posted, but it was impossible to prove beforehand that they would not happen. Because Titor claimed the many-worlds interpretation of quantum physics was correct, effectively meaning that his travel was from a parallel universe and that things could occur differently than he had predicted, his claims were unfalsifiable.

One of Titor's earliest claims was that CERN would discover the basis for time travel sometime around 2001, with the creation of miniature black holes about half a year after his departure. This event did not occur. An article occurring generally around the time he had predicted about miniature black holes being created by CERN (a recurring theme, also ascribed to Fermilab and Brookhaven at various times) was taken by some to be evidence of this claim; but these events did not occur either. Civil war was not even remotely close to breaking out after the 2004 presidential election.

A particularly obvious example involves the Olympics, whereof Titor claimed: "As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004.The uneventful staging of the 2006 Winter Olympics refutes this claim; however, there were arguments as to whether or not Titor was referring exclusively to the Summer Olympics.Though the successful realization of the 2008 Summer Olympics clearly refutes Titor's prediction, the website www.johntitor.com points to some of the controversies of the opening ceremonies, such as Lin Miaoke lip-synching and fireworks being computer simulated as suggestive that the entire Olympics were faked.

Problems with the technology

In the context of the demonstration image provided by John Titor, the laser pointer's beam being "bent" reveals the obvious inconsistency of objects near the beam not appearing to be bent as well. The framing of the window visible in the background, for instance, should appear distorted in proximity to a large gravity gradient, but it does not. Some have speculated the "beam" is an optical fiber.

Titor claimed that he was sent back to obtain an IBM 5100 because it could translate several types of computer code. According to IBM engineer Bob Dubke, Titor's statements regarding the IBM 5100's little-known ability to emulate and debug mainframe systems were correct . Supporters state that this information was not publicly available in 2000 or 2001 when Titor made his declaration,and Titor himself stated that this feature was "discovered" as late as 2036 when Unix, as the underlying source behind all computer operating systems still running local infrastructures and other computational tasks, was only two years away from not being capable to function anymore due to 32-bit integer limitations (see Year 2038 problem).

However, this emulation capability was widely known in the industry and commented on in depth in numerous publications dealing with both the 5100 and programmable microcode in general. References to this fact were also available on the Internet as early as 1999 and therefore predated Titor's postings. This is a fairly obscure bit of trivia, however, which suggests that whoever was making the posts either was familiar with the machine specifically or else had at least a general interest in retrocomputing.

"Apparently, APL was a difficult task for IBM to accomplish with an interpreter in the 5100, so instead they wrote an emulation program so that the S/360 mainframe version of APL could be run instead -- The 5100 is like a desktop IBM S/360 mainframe computer which only runs APL."

Problems with the story

Numerous commentators have pointed out the broad similarities between the Titor story and Pat Frank's classic post-apocalyptic science fiction novel Alas, Babylon.Alas, Babylon takes place in a small town in Florida just before and after a nuclear war and describes the struggle to survive as a family in the aftermath. In the book, the protagonist lives in the mythical town of "Fort Repose", while Titor claimed to live in the "Fort", formerly the University of Florida (UF). An examination of the claims also suggests several inconsistencies within the story. For instance, in some posts Titor claims that money is widely used and people still have credit cards, despite his statement that centralized banking no longer exists (though that of course would not exclude the possibilitiy of private currencies being used). In another posting he speculated that today's dollar would be usable in his time, but that this would be after the reorganization of the federal government according to his own history, potentially making the currency worthless. In most cases, he claims to have been given his basic education at UF, but in another post claims to be home-schooled.

Other problems with the story include inconsistencies relative to Titor's comments. His first appearance appears to have been, not in 2000, but in the summer of 1998 through two faxes to Art Bell's radio program Coast to Coast AM. When he began posting the online story Y2k (1-1-2000) had come and gone without any real problems. Yet in the 1998 faxes to Art Bell he said, "Y2K is a disaster. Many people freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The gov. tries to keep power by instituting marshall [sic] law..."

In the online story he stated that a part of his mission was to prevent the coming world war by changing history. Yet during October 2000, a month before he began posting, he appeared in a UK IRC chatroom. In the chat log his response to Yariesa's question asking if we could change the future that he was predicting he answered, "It's too late. I just wish things didn't have to happen they way they will."

Inquiry on the story

An Italian TV program (Voyager - Ai confini della conoscenza) aired an investigation of the John Titor story on May 19, 2008. Mike Lynch, the private detective hired to investigate, found that there were no registry traces, even far in the past, of any John Titor or Titor family. In addition, the John Titor Foundation had no office and its address is a rented post box; no tapes, recordings, or evidence of Titor were found; and only Larry Haber (an advocate and owner of the commercial rights about all concerns involving John Titor) confirmed his existence. Lynch's conclusion is that John Titor may be John Rick Haber, a computer expert who is or was Larry Haber's brother.





Wow, that is genius.

thanks . . . that's the article I was referring to . . .

 

[The Spawn]

Time period of this universe...this universe obviously is not Johns'.

Its like reading vague predictions of the future that can apply to anything...so no one can really prove you wrong or right...but as long as you aren't proven wrong, why should you care right?

 

[Arc-Light]

Does he hate being called a chicken...

 

[Bnightwing]

Nice find Lunar Wolf and I find it interesting and cool. Time travel has always fascinated me no idea why but it just always got me reading about it. and does it say what forms he was a part of?

 

[DeGenerate10]

Nice find Lunar Wolf and I find it interesting and cool. Time travel has always fascinated me no idea why but it just always got me reading about it. and does it say what forms he was a part of?

Try the johntitor.com website. I think there's links to it on there.

 

[Sam Fisher]

 

[Shemtov]

I'm another time Traveler. My real name is Shemtov Cohen. I come from 2037
I've gone back to this time and worked my way in to my past selfs account here using my password.
On July 4 of this year the Conficker strikes.
It is more effective then they know. nothing can remove it as it spread the the Internet in less then 24 hours.
The net is destroyed. Fortunitly, a group known as "the 88" manages to salvage it. They create a new version called WorldNet.
half the world is dependent on WorldNet.
California, Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico defect from the U.s. in 2012. They declare there Alligence to The "benevolent 88.
The 88 is in fact a neo-nazi group who reveals this fact in 2015.
They Invade Oregen and Washington And Montana and turn the latter into a mass concentration camp for non-aryans.
They are currently at war with the U.S. I am head of "The time travel force" who is deticated to preventing this from hapening.

j/k.

 

[Sam Fisher]

I'm another time Traveler. My real name is Shemtov Cohen. I come from 2037
I've gone back to this time and worked my way in to my past selfs account here using my password.
On July 4 of this year the Conficker strikes.
It is more effective then they know. nothing can remove it as it spread the the Internet in less then 24 hours.
The net is destroyed. Fortunitly, a group known as "the 88" manages to salvage it. They create a new version called WorldNet.
half the world is dependent on WorldNet.
California, Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico defect from the U.s. in 2012. They declare there Alligence to The "benevolent 88.
The 88 is in fact a neo-nazi group who reveals this fact in 2015.
They Invade Oregen and Washington And Montana and turn the latter into a mass concentration camp for non-aryans.
They are currently at war with the U.S. I am head The time travel force who is deticated to preventing this from hapening.

j/k.

If you're from the future, why did you make typos in your user name?

 

[Shemtov]

If you're from the future, why did you make typos in your user name?

1. i said j/k
2. Thor Odinson is exactly how Thor's name is spelled. Oh, you mean the fact that its not "Shemtov Cohen"? that is just a pseudonym i made up. Same as with "Thor odinson" Pseudonyms rock on the Net.

 

[Sam Fisher]

1. i said j/k

Guess you missed the smile at the end of my post

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Nice find Lunar Wolf and I find it interesting and cool. Time travel has always fascinated me no idea why but it just always got me reading about it. and does it say what forms he was a part of?

I found some links from the Titor site. I came across one of them in google images, but I forget the site. He posted on seven message boards I believe.

 

[Mike_D202]

I've seen some of his "videos" and "photos". The videos are laughable (where he demonstrates his time traveling device) and one of the photos (where he bends light) was a hoax, they found out he was bending a fiber optic light.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I've seen some of his "videos" and "photos". The videos are laughable (where he demonstrates his time traveling device) and one of the photos (where he bends light) was a hoax, they found out he was bending a fiber optic light.

Where are the videos?

 

[Mike_D202]

I'll have to dig up the links, found them online last summer in a forum. Total Adobe After Effects stuff.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I'll have to dig up the links, found them online last summer in a forum. Total Adobe After Effects stuff.

From everything I read, he never posted videos, just pictures. But interesting, if you can dig them up.