The Dark Knight Joker crashing party, Bats goes after Rachel

[Cobblepot]

Joker crashing party, Bats goes after Rachel but he leaves the rest of the party in the hands of the Joker. What disturbes me the most is that the Joker just seems to leave the building without harming anyone.

And why doesn't Batman go after him, after he saves Rachel...

It annoyes me to hell and back...so out of character for both The Joker and Batman.

 

[Nevincer]

Agreed.

 

[Jokers_Wild]

Joker crashing party, Bats goes after Rachel but he leaves the rest of the party in the hands of the Joker. What disturbes me the most is that the Joker just seems to leave the building without harming anyone.

And why doesn't Batman go after him, after he saves Rachel...

It annoyes me to hell and back...so out of character for both The Joker and Batman.

Joker had bigger schemes than to off a few party-goers. Harvey wasn't there, so Joker had to think of another way to get his 'Harvey Dent'.

This is actually one of the few scenes cut from the film, the Joker leaves the party and the thug asks him about Dent. Joker replies, "He's a man of his word."

Besides, he probably figured the Batman might come back, and obviously his goons were no match, so why risk sticking around and getting caught?

 

[Ryan]

None of that annoyed me as much as Batman and Rachael plummetting from the top of a penthouse/skyscraper onto the roof of a car and seem none the worse for wear. Funny though, in the script it says Batman fired a grapnel gun shot to slow down the fall, so again why not show it?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Exactly. Joker was expecting Dent to be right there in the middle of the crowd of people.

He didn't count on Bruce being Batman and knowing they were coming in time to hide Harvey. He wasn't counting on Batman showing up out of no where, with no one having rasied the alarm at the party, and Gordon's men having only sent people round to Dents house.

Fighting Batman screwed up his plan. Throwing Rachel out the window was a diversion so they could get the hell out of there, especially since Harvey hadn't even come out of the woodwork when his gf was threatened, so he'd have to assume he wasn't there.

 

[DOO BEE]

Exactly. Joker was expecting Dent to be right there in the middle of the crowd of people.

He didn't count on Bruce being Batman and knowing they were coming in time to hide Harvey. He wasn't counting on Batman showing up out of no where, with no one having rasied the alarm at the party, and Gordon's men having only sent people round to Dents house.

Fighting Batman screwed up his plan. Throwing Rachel out the window was a diversion so they could get the hell out of there, especially since Harvey hadn't even come out of the woodwork when his gf was threatened, so he'd have to assume he wasn't there.

the joker said to batman
"you know, i really thought you were dent, after the way you through yourself after her.
joker was only aware that dent wasn't Batman during the swat van chase.
as i'm sure one of the moles in the police station said Dent was being transported, then batman shows up. that is why joker "hrms" when the tumblr shows up.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Well, I think thats one of the lowpoints of the script. The so wanted Joker was right there along with plenty of innocent people and batman instead of rushing back up or at least to wait by the exits/entrances was chatting with Rachel on the roof of a car and then it cuts to the next day without any explanation

 

[NBlackestKnight]

The Joker wanted Harvey Dent. That's the only reason he showed up. And why would Batman decide to stay in the building when his girl was being thrown out the window?

 

[Wolverine1988]

Not to mention, Joker was crazy, but he was in control in a sense he wasn't hungry for blood.

Joker only killed people that were involved in the game so to speak(cops,mobsters,wannabe Batmans etc) killing random civilians probably would have been a sign of weakness.

Not to mention, as unstopable as he was, and even though it was a room filled with older rich people, he was still outnumbered greatly.

 

[GothamAlleys]

The Joker wanted Harvey Dent. That's the only reason he showed up. And why would Batman decide to stay in the building when his girl was being thrown out the window?

We're not talking about staying in the building. We're talking about getting back there ASAP to rescue others and/or catch Joker

Not to mention, Joker was crazy, but he was in control in a sense he wasn't hungry for blood.

Joker only killed people that were involved in the game so to speak(cops,mobsters,wannabe Batmans etc) killing random civilians probably would have been a sign of weakness.

Yet Rachel stepped in cause he was about to hurt someone. Even if he had this weird rule of not harming those he didnt care about, at that point Batman couldnt know that. And still it doesnt explain why he didnt try to capture Joker, block the entrance and exits, contact Gordon ASAP, Joker was on a high floor and Batman was already down. Great advantage. Cmon, you wont claim its ok that Batman thought "eh, Ill just leave those people there with Joker and his armed goons and go home"

Not to mention, as unstopable as he was, and even though it was a room filled with older rich people, he was still outnumbered greatly.

Yet no one did anything when he was there. No one except for Rachel stood up to help. 100 old people who are used to sitting behind the desk wont defeat a dozen armed terrorists

 

[The Joker]

Not to mention, Joker was crazy, but he was in control in a sense he wasn't hungry for blood.

Joker only killed people that were involved in the game so to speak(cops,mobsters,wannabe Batmans etc) killing random civilians probably would have been a sign of weakness.

Not to mention, as unstopable as he was, and even though it was a room filled with older rich people, he was still outnumbered greatly.

Exactly.

Yet no one did anything when he was there. No one except for Rachel stood up to help.

You could argue that was because Joker had several armed men pointing guns on them then. By the time Batman intervened and took them all out it was just Joker by his lonesome.

 

[Holiday]

Personally, as a viewer I don't need to see Batman go back to the party and hunt the Joker down, or watch Joker escape. I assume those things happened, it doesn't need to be shown to me.

 

[Wolverine1988]

We're not talking about staying in the building. We're talking about getting back there ASAP to rescue others and/or catch Joker



Yet Rachel stepped in cause he was about to hurt someone. Even if he had this weird rule of not harming those he didnt care about, at that point Batman couldnt know that. And still it doesnt explain why he didnt try to capture Joker, block the entrance and exits, contact Gordon ASAP, Joker was on a high floor and Batman was already down. Great advantage. Cmon, you wont claim its ok that Batman thought "eh, Ill just leave those people there with Joker and his armed goons and go home"



Yet no one did anything when he was there. No one except for Rachel stood up to help. 100 old people who are used to sitting behind the desk wont defeat a dozen armed terrorists

I mean dude it's a ****ing movie, i mean if your gonna over analyzie it like that, they have a story to tell, capturing Joker that early kinda of would have ruined part of the movie, not to mention letting Rachel die that soon.

 

[Cobblepot]

It's a scene that is not finished, it bothers me. Joker is obviously in a killing mood, Rachel steps in just in time to save an oldguy. There are many thugs with machine guns walking around, and later in the movie (Hit me scene) Joker sprays a machinegun across town. It's a Wayne party there are a lot of rich people, the Joker should have just wasted them...

But he didn't, Bruce gets away with his mistake. Why save one girl and leave 30+ guests + ALFRED! with a maniac?? And stop lounging on that cars roof, get after the Joker. He couldn't have gotten far.

The Nolan brothers should have thought this through...

 

[elgaz]

Overanalysing much? If we had to list all the films that have ever had the villain conveniently slip away while the hero is off saving a damsel in distress or whatever, we'd be here for a month.

 

[Cobblepot]

What's to overanalyze?

Many are claiming TDK to be a masterpiece, imagine the Nightwatch with a blanc unpainted figure in the middle...

 

[elgaz]

That's taking it a bit extreme.

Every film has small plotholes like this, it's the way Hollywood works. If you try to apply uber-realism to every film (why doesn't the character do this, or do that; why do they always run straight down a road instead of to the side when a car comes at them; why does the hero get a beating then get a sudden surge of energy for a comeback at the end; etc.....) ............ it will completely detract from the moviegoing experience.

Batman saved Rachel because (a) he loved her, and (b) she was certain to die if he didn't. Whereas with the party guests, Joker's goons had already been wiped out, Gotham PD were bound to be on their way and thus it was likely Joker was going to make a swift exit before Batman could get back and tackle him on his own.

 

[Cats]

None of that annoyed me as much as Batman and Rachael plummetting from the top of a penthouse/skyscraper onto the roof of a car and seem none the worse for wear. Funny though, in the script it says Batman fired a grapnel gun shot to slow down the fall, so again why not show it?

It annoyed me as well initially, till I noticed that he had opened his memory cloth cape a couple of times to slow down the speed at which they were falling. It only couldn't carry them upwards since it was never meant to carry two, but it could definitely save them from an impact that could've killed either of them.

 

[Cobblepot]

That's taking it a bit extreme.

Every film has small plotholes like this, it's the way Hollywood works. If you try to apply uber-realism to every film (why doesn't the character do this, or do that; why do they always run straight down a road instead of to the side when a car comes at them; why does the hero get a beating then get a sudden surge of energy for a comeback at the end; etc.....) ............ it will completely detract from the moviegoing experience.

Batman saved Rachel because (a) he loved her, and (b) she was certain to die if he didn't. Whereas with the party guests, Joker's goons had already been wiped out, Gotham PD were bound to be on their way and thus it was likely Joker was going to make a swift exit before Batman could get back and tackle him on his own.

Might be, but this one just bugs me, if it doesn't bother you that's fine . The Batman I knew (which is different from Nolan's, I know) wouldn't do that, and I want to project this Batman image that I have on Nolan's moves. But it doesn't fit.

 

[GothamAlleys]

Joker's goons had already been wiped out, Gotham PD were bound to be on their way and thus it was likely Joker was going to make a swift exit before Batman could get back and tackle him on his own.

Joker was on the 50th floor or so and we know that Joker's goons were also spread out throughout the floor and werent all in one room (remember the guy that Wayne took out?). Joker was high up when Batman was already down. The only 2 ways to escape are stairs or elevator. Do I really need to say how F'd Joker should be in this situation? Cmon, Batman couldnt just say "Nah, Ill just do nothing and go home. Theyre probably fine there". Its not overanalyzing the movie, its basically an unfnished scene and is very often mentioned in reviews and parodied in spoof, most lately in the "How TDK shouldve ended" cartoon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seBpXt8_6xs

Overanalyzing is stuff like "what if Joker was lying about the bombs" or "how did Batman know where to find Two Face so fast" or those kind of questions where you could argue its a movie. But cutting to the next day when Batman just leaves Joker and goons with hostages and doesnt instantly use grapple hook to get back there to capture Joker and make sure the crowd doesnt get hurt is a big oversight. It doesnt bother ME personally (Im never the one bothered by plotholes much, I just enjoy the story), but Im saying that theres no denying that this storygoof IS there

 

[Wolverine1988]

Might be, but this one just bugs me, if it doesn't bother you that's fine . The Batman I knew (which is different from Nolan's, I know) wouldn't do that, and I want to project this Batman image that I have on Nolan's moves. But it doesn't fit.

Your right he would have the the girl he has known his whole life just fall 50 flights and land splat on the pavement.

Think about it, Joker and his thugs are out numbered. Cops are on the way more than likley, . I mean it's a spur of the moment kind of thing heprobably just instinctvley leaped to save her, not to mention is Joker really gonna risk everything just so him and some thugs can start shooting random people?


And again it's a ****ing movie, how stupid would it be if he just let the love interest just fall and die, wouldn't be very heroic now would he?

 

[Cobblepot]

It would be damn great if he let Rachel fall to her death, i wish he did it himself in BB. But that's not what I'm arguing. The Batman I grew up with, would either find a way to save them all (since the Joker I know would kill everyone in there..) or save the most lives.

 

[Wolverine1988]

I guess he chould have tackled Joker real quicky, than tried to grapple her before she fell...iDK i think what you are asking for is bit odd. I mean yeah if it was Superman he couldn't use an excuse, cuse hes Superman and can fly and do all this ****, but Batman is human and he could only do what was humanly possible.

Again the only head scratcher about that scene was how him and Rachel were even able to survive that fall.

 

[Lord]

It seens i'm the only one that didn't dislike rachel, the only time i didn't like her was when she cheated on harvey

 

[Cats]

It seens i'm the only one that didn't dislike rachel, the only time i didn't like her was when she cheated on harvey

Technically she didn't. It was just that one kiss, and it looked more like a kiss goodbye than something that was meant to be romantic since she was talking about him giving himself up to the police and them not going to be together right before. Plus it was followed by that awful letter.