Joker 'JOKER: FOLIE À DEUX' (Phillips and Phoenix return for the sequel) General News & Discussion Thread

[BobJM]

Bonnie and Clyde the musical with the climax Arthur learning Harley was lying about her past.

Yeah; I do agree that Arthur turning away from the Joker persona felt very rushed in the film

 

[Lily Adler]

Yeah; I do agree that Arthur turning away from the Joker persona felt very rushed in the film

Harley lies being what disillusions him to the Joker persona and sets up a similar ending where instead she flees without him and he turns himself in?

 

[BobJM]

I wonder what in Gunn’s ignored notes. Loved reading Feige’s take on TASM2 from the Sony leak

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not really sure how Gunn could've really fixed this situation? Making a sequel to Joker was a fundamentally flawed idea from the get-go. had Joker stayed a standalone installment and character study, it's fine. Case in point, making the sequel just opened up too many cans of worms and caused too many problems. They couldn't come up with something that would satisfy everybody.

The point is, this isn't THE JOKER. But fans still have an expectation that this guy is eventually going to meet and encounter Batman. If you never make the sequel, you just sort of leave it ambiguous and let it be. You don't have to worry about those things.

Gunn is a talented filmmaker, but he's not a wizard. He couldn't save Suicide Squad. He couldn't save The Flash. His actions directly hurt Shazam 2, The Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman 2. So even if he gave notes, what guarantee is that they directly benefit or truly help Joker: Folie a Deux? I'm not convinced they do.

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm not really sure how Gunn could've really fixed this situation? Making a sequel to Joker was a fundamentally flawed idea from the get-go. had Joker stayed a standalone installment and character study, it's fine. Case in point, making the sequel just opened up too many cans of worms and caused too many problems. They couldn't come up with something that would satisfy everybody.

The point is, this isn't THE JOKER. But fans still have an expectation that this guy is eventually going to meet and encounter Batman. If you never make the sequel, you just sort of leave it ambiguous and let it be. You don't have to worry about those things.

Gunn is a talented filmmaker, but he's not a wizard. He couldn't save Suicide Squad. He couldn't save The Flash. His actions directly hurt Shazam 2, The Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman 2. So even if he gave notes, what guarantee is that they directly benefit or truly help Joker: Folie a Deux? I'm not convinced they do.

Really bummed that he didn't take advantage of Flashpoint to just blame Ezra's Barry for destroying the Snyderverse.

 

[TheVileOne]

Really bummed that he didn't take advantage of Flashpoint to just blame Ezra's Barry for destroying the Snyderverse.

They still had release Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom after that.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm not really sure how Gunn could've really fixed this situation? Making a sequel to Joker was a fundamentally flawed idea from the get-go. had Joker stayed a standalone installment and character study, it's fine. Case in point, making the sequel just opened up too many cans of worms and caused too many problems. They couldn't come up with something that would satisfy everybody.

The point is, this isn't THE JOKER. But fans still have an expectation that this guy is eventually going to meet and encounter Batman. If you never make the sequel, you just sort of leave it ambiguous and let it be. You don't have to worry about those things.

Gunn is a talented filmmaker, but he's not a wizard. He couldn't save Suicide Squad. He couldn't save The Flash. His actions directly hurt Shazam 2, The Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman 2. So even if he gave notes, what guarantee is that they directly benefit or truly help Joker: Folie a Deux? I'm not convinced they do.

Gunn and Safran couldn't do anything, as I am fairly certain that was one of the conditions of Phillips actually making the movie.

 

[BobJM]

I'm not really sure how Gunn could've really fixed this situation? Making a sequel to Joker was a fundamentally flawed idea from the get-go. had Joker stayed a standalone installment and character study, it's fine. Case in point, making the sequel just opened up too many cans of worms and caused too many problems. They couldn't come up with something that would satisfy everybody.

The point is, this isn't THE JOKER. But fans still have an expectation that this guy is eventually going to meet and encounter Batman. If you never make the sequel, you just sort of leave it ambiguous and let it be. You don't have to worry about those things.

Gunn is a talented filmmaker, but he's not a wizard. He couldn't save Suicide Squad. He couldn't save The Flash. His actions directly hurt Shazam 2, The Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman 2. So even if he gave notes, what guarantee is that they directly benefit or truly help Joker: Folie a Deux? I'm not convinced they do.

Oh I’m just being curious; wasn’t suggesting it’d be a cure-all

 

[Lily Adler]

Oh I’m just being curious; wasn’t suggesting it’d be a cure-all

Spoiler

Should have just went full hog with a younger fresh out of law school Harvey as Arthur's attorney and make this a full on prequel to the Nolanverse Joker and really piss off fans. Harley is still out there looking for her real Joker.

 

[TheScarecrow]

This is an unmitigated disaster. I wouldn't be shocked if its No. 2 at the domestic box office tomorrow.

 

[TheVileOne]

Oh I’m just being curious; wasn’t suggesting it’d be a cure-all

@BobJM not necessarily meaning to call you out or anything. I'm just saying I don't agree with the hypothesis that Todd Phillips rejecting DC Studios/James Gunn is what killed the movie.

 

[mace1]

It Could Get Worse: ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Could Set the Box Office Record for a Second-Weekend Drop
Who knew that "The Wild Robot" and "Terrifier 3" could be the films to beat?

It might be kind to let the disaster of “Joker: Folie à Deux” (Warner Bros.) rest in peace, but the reality is the film is in only its fifth day of release. And as weekend two grows closer, it’s possible that it could fall as low as #3 and set an all-time record for the biggest second-weekend drop for a major release.

After Thursday previews came in at just over half of what “Joker” saw in 2019, the bottom fell out. The studio’s own weekend estimate slipped to $40 million, which proved unduly optimistic; the actual was $37.8 million (That’s a six percent miss; it’s rare for an estimate to be more than three percent off.) Monday grossed $1,825,000 — less than five percent of the opening-weekend total when eight percent would be the norm.

The worst-case scenario would be both its rank this upcoming weekend, and a historically bad second weekend drop. Before opening, “Folie” seemed certain to repeat as #1 in its second week against no new major titles. Instead, the third week of Universal’s “The Wild Robot” appears to be the film to beat on what will be an otherwise unimpressive weekend.

We have three films with a shot at $10 million or more, perhaps none more than $13 million, and their ranking is unpredictable.

“The Wild Robot” could be $12 million-$13 million, but “Terrifier 3” (Cineverse) is the wildcard. The third film in the low-budget ($2 million) Christmas-set clown slasher franchise, it’s the first to open in wide release. In 2022, “Terrifier 2” grossed nearly $11 million domestic on a $250,000 budget. It’s unrated, which will make most locations adults-only. Industry consensus is around $8 million, with a potential upside more likely.

If “Folie” drops 70 percent to $11.3 million that would be bad, but not historically so. Last year “The Marvels” (Disney) opened to $46 million before falling 78 percent in its second weekend for $10.1 million. A similar drop for “Folie” would put it at $8.3 million.

Even 78 percent would not be the record for a second-weekend drop. For films that opened over $20 million, that record is currently held by “Friday the 13th,” which dropped 80 percent in 2009 ($40.6 million to $7.9 million) and “Halloween” in 2022 ($40.0 million to $8 million; it was also streaming on Peacock).

For “Folie” to exceed either film, it would have to gross under $7.5 million. That may be less likely since it has continued to play on most premium screens, but not impossible.

Other films in play this week — holdover “Beetlejuice Beetlejuice” (WB), expansion of “Saturday Night” (Sony), and other openers “Piece by Piece” (Focus), “The Apprentice” (Briarcliffe), “My Hero Academia: You’re Next” (Toho) — all are expected to do less than $7.5 million to fill out most of the top 10.

All told, “Folie” looks on track with a U.S./Canada total around $70 million and around $200 million worldwide. It cost the studio upward of $300 million in production and marketing costs.

It Could Get Worse: ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Could Set the Box Office Record for a Second-Weekend Drop

Who knew that 'The Wild Robot and 'Terrifier 3' could be the films to beat?

www.indiewire.com

 

[blueharvest]

It Could Get Worse: ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Could Set the Box Office Record for a Second-Weekend Drop
Who knew that "The Wild Robot" and "Terrifier 3" could be the films to beat?

It Could Get Worse: ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Could Set the Box Office Record for a Second-Weekend Drop

Who knew that 'The Wild Robot and 'Terrifier 3' could be the films to beat?

www.indiewire.com

Joker 2 is probably about to drop off a cliff, box office-wise. It would be weird if a movie like Terrifier 3 ended up beating it this weekend.

 

[AverageMan]

I went to see this last night. Knowing the circumstances around it, I wanted to see it more out curiosity than hoping it would actually be any good.
I was one for four people in the screening. One of the others was my buddy. Wednesdays are typically student nights in the UK, so there were plenty of people about.
This has absolutely no buzz what so ever & will drop off a cliff this weekend.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I had hopes for this film, but they were diminished by the musical aspect. Going in, I agreed that it didn’t need to be made, that the first movie should have been a standalone. Still, given the first film’s success a sequel was inevitable.

I’m not especially optimistic but I’m curious, so even though I had bad feelings about Morbius, Madame Web and Joker 2, I still wanted to see it myself. (I’ll do the same for Venom 3 and Kraven the Hunter.) Even when a movie is bad, it can still have interesting aspects.

No, this was not a good movie. I feel like I’m in the minority but I really enjoyed the first movie, even if it deviated (a lot) from the source material. I enjoyed it for what it was: a character study of a very disturbed person and how his fall through the cracks came back and bit society. (I never saw it as an “incel movie,” I thought that was an inaccurate label.) As someone with his own psychological issues, I empathized with Arthur. I saw it in the theater with my then wife, who had her own personal issues. When Joker gave his “what do you get” joke, we both went “yup.”

Joker 2 had a few moments but was basically boring and wandered aimlessly. They had some interesting ideas that weren’t enough to make into a movie. I liked the abuse he faced from the guards, the interview, Harley’s true motives, how he made fun of his former friend, and really liked the revelation of how his mother saw him. That was the high point of the movie.

Spoiler

I was eager to learn more about Harley’s pregnancy. Was it a lie or not? After she walked out of the courthouse and Arthur confronted her, I wondered if she was going to tell him the truth or say she’d ended the pregnancy. I didn’t like that he got killed off but I guess it makes sense that he was done in by an obsessed fan. Will his killer become a new Joker? Considering how this movie bombed, we’ll probably never know. I’m ok with that.

I guess people were looking for more of a typical action packed comic book movie but I liked the restrained psychological aspect. I hoped Arthur would be screwing with people inside Arkham, showing that he’s dangerous even when locked up. Sadly that didn’t happen.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Joker 2 is probably about to drop off a cliff, box office-wise. It would be weird if a movie like Terrifier 3 ended up beating it this weekend.

It just dropped 51% from Tuesday to Wednesday. Comparing the performance of other movies in the past, it sure looks like Joker 2 is heading for a 2nd weekend drop in the neighborhood of 75-80%.

 

[Sithborg]

It just dropped 51% from Tuesday to Wednesday. Comparing the performance of other movies in the past, it sure looks like Joker 2 is heading for a 2nd weekend drop in the neighborhood of 75-80%.

Deadline is thinking a 77% drop, dropping to third behind Terrifier and The Wild Robot.

 

[blueharvest]

 

[mace1]

‘Terrifier 3’ Laughing All The Way To The Bank With $15M+, Freaks Out ‘Joker 2’ & Awards Season Darlings – Friday PM Box Office​

FRIDAY PM: Industry midday projections show Cineverse’s Terrifier 3 to be the bigger clown at the box office this weekend, with an estimated Friday around $7.7M for a potential $15M-plus 3-day at 2,514 theaters It would be great story for the business if a little movie like this can hold to this potential, and if it buckles, it’s only because it’s truly fan-frontloaded.

Third belongs to Warner Bros’ Joker: Folie à Deux at 4,102 locations, which is seeing a second Friday of $2.8M for an $8M-$9M second weekend, -77%. Put a pin on that. Let’s not make any judgments until Saturday morning. On the high end, that’s $53.5M by EOD Sunday. Joker 2 for the most part keeps all the Imax auditoriums.

Joker: Folie à Deux ended its first week with $44.55M after a $1.1M Thursday, -12% from Wednesday. That first-week take is 19% behind the first week of Marvel Studios’ 2023 bomb The Marvels, which did $54.8M (yes, it was a PG-13 film, just the lowest in the MCU by sheer comp), but it’s 15% ahead of Warner Bros’ Furiosa, which did $38.9M in its first week. Marvels dropped 72% in its second weekend, the worst ever for an MCU title, while Furiosa declined by 60% in its sophomore session. Marvels ended its domestic run at $84.5M, while Furiosa settled at $67.4M.

Clown Vs. Clown: ‘Terrifier 3’ Shows Teeth With $18M+ As ‘Joker 2’ Posts Record Drop For DC Character Pic; Awards Season Darlings Shriek – Sunday Box Office

'Terrifier 3' is expected to steal the No. 1 box office spot away from 'Joker: Folie a Deux' with $11M+

deadline.com

 

[mace1]

Box Office: ‘Terrifier 3’ Winning Weekend as ‘Joker 2’ Suffers Historic Fall, and ‘The Apprentice’ Gets Fired​

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is even beating Todd Phillips’ Joker sequel, which is falling off a cliff in its second outing with an estimated $6.6 million to $6.8 million from 4,102 theaters, a historic decline of 82 percent. Until now, The Marvels held the record among comic book movies for the worst second-weekend decline at 78 percent.

Box Office: ‘Terrifier 3’ is No. 1 Clown as ‘Joker 2’ Suffers Record Fall and ‘Apprentice’ Gets Fired

The Donald Trump feature 'The Apprentice' is among several Oscar hopefuls opening nationwide to sluggish numbers, including Jason Reitman's 'Saturday Night.'

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[Filmfan93]

Let it die.

Hopefully one day Hollywood will realise people don't go to see garbage movies anymore.

 

[Lily Adler]

Let it die.

Hopefully one day Hollywood will realise people don't go to see garbage movies anymore.

 

[J.Drangal]

Let it die.

Hopefully one day Hollywood will realise people don't go to see garbage movies anymore.

And yet, we're at a third Terrifier...

 

[blueharvest]

And yet, we're at a third Terrifier...

Yeah, those Terrifier movies are pretty cheap to make. Terrifier 3 only cost $2 million, I think.

 

[blueharvest]