Judge Dredd Reboot!! - Part 1

[rogue trooper]

Well, we now a have a footage of sorts:

http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,34200.930.html

 

[wobbly]

I'm digging the no-nonsense execution action there (assuming that's what it is).

 

[obin_gam]

That's some lovely fascism right there! As it should be

That must be from a trailer right? Cant be more than days now until we get at least a teaser!

 

[uniqueweasel]

And at the sight of a bit of violence, all helmet concerns are forgiven

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I will have to watch the footage later as I cant view it in work, glad everyone liked it though.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Well, we now a have a footage of sorts:

First of all, I love helmets. They look great.

The second,

Spoiler

looks like it's the paramedic.

I didnt say it should look like Magneto's one, but I was pointing to an example of a helmet not looking too big and looking protective.

I was joking.

Iron-Man & Robo-Cop (who was inspired by Dredd), both have tight fitting helmets. No-one in their right mind has ever moaned they don't look protective enough....

Both Iron Man and Robocop wear fat pieces of steel. Iron Man is super-unrealistic, so I don't see a single reason for taking it as an example. Robocop's helmet fixates mechanically, weights a ton, why does US army not wear Robocop/Magneto/Iron Man-like helmets on their heads? Don't answer, it's obvious. I just don't get why people fail to understand that.

It's not ridiculously over-sized. Bigger than in the original - yes. Still, nothing to be *****ing about THAT much.

P.S. I think, somebody on that forum has poor screener of the movie. Early cut. That's why pics suddenly appeared. More of that, it's a major plot spoiler of the movie. I doubt that guys at the studio would do this.

 

[wobbly]

And at the sight of a bit of violence, all helmet concerns are forgiven

The helmets are neither forgotten or forgiven

 

[uniqueweasel]

The helmets are neither forgotten or forgiven

haha spoken like a true "Judge" t:

 

[Paradox1]

First of all, I love helmets. They look great.

The second,

Spoiler

looks like it's the paramedic.

I was joking.

Both Iron Man and Robocop wear fat pieces of steel. Iron Man is super-unrealistic, so I don't see a single reason for taking it as an example. Robocop's helmet fixates mechanically, weights a ton, why does US army not wear Robocop/Magneto/Iron Man-like helmets on their heads? Don't answer, it's obvious. I just don't get why people fail to understand that.

It's not ridiculously over-sized. Bigger than in the original - yes. Still, nothing to be *****ing about THAT much.

P.S. I think, somebody on that forum has poor screener of the movie. Early cut. That's why pics suddenly appeared. More of that, it's a major plot spoiler of the movie. I doubt that guys at the studio would do this.

I have one gripe with this post not even the Us military have helmets that big. On the ground soliders do not wear helmets that big and they are wearing less armor. I just don't buy the realism of that helmet unless he's riding something that flies. The only people in the military with helmets of that size are pilots.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I have one gripe with this post not even the Us military have helmets that big. On the ground soliders do not wear helmets that big and they are wearing less armor. I just don't buy the realism of that helmet unless he's riding something that flies. The only people in the military with helmets of that size are pilots.

You need to check your vision. I can give you another example. Motocycle helmet, formula 1 helmet. Why don't they wear Magneto-like thin piece of steel?

Size of a real helmet is dictated by the purpose and the inner construction. Pilots, racers, soldiers have the same size helmet, the only difference - construction of some parts. Some helmets protect the whole head, some - only top part of the skull. Size is pretty much the same.

 

[Paradox1]

You need to check your vision. I can give you another example. Motocycle helmet, formula 1 helmet. Why don't they wear Magneto-like thin piece of steel?

Size of a real helmet is dictated by the purpose and the inner construction. Pilots, racers, soldiers have the same size helmet, the only difference - construction of some parts. Some helmets protect the whole head, some - only top part of the skull. Size is pretty much the same.

Helmets come in different sizes cause generally people don't have the same size head duh!! Secondly the purpose of a helmet was exactly my point. A on the ground soldier doesn't have the same worries as a pilot or anyone where the likelyhood of highspeed impact is almost a certainity. Helmets built for highspeed impacts are bigger because the lining of the helmet is filled with a cushion meant to stabilze the brain . The helmets for on the ground soldiers, swat teams, riot cops do not have the safety concerns because the likely hood of a highspeed impact that would jar the brain is far less compared to a bullet to the dome. That is a fact there is no argument you can make to dispute that. Your boy Dredd to me is wearing a highspeed impact helmet. If he's a bike cop in this time period that helmet is more than apprioate. However in my opinion a cop who is every kind of cop in one should have a multi purpose helmet that is appropriate for all situations would be the best way to go.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Helmets come in different sizes cause generally people don't have the same size head duh!! Secondly the purpose of a helmet was exactly my point. A on the ground soldier doesn't have the same worries as a pilot or anyone where the likelyhood of highspeed impact is almost a certainity. Helmets built for highspeed impacts are bigger because the lining of the helmet is filled with a cushion meant to stabilze the brain . The helmets for on the ground soldiers, swat teams, riot cops do not have the safety concerns because the likely hood of a highspeed impact that would jar the brain is far less compared to a bullet to the dome. That is a fact there is no argument you can make to dispute that. Your boy Dredd to me is wearing a highspeed impact helmet. If he's a bike cop in this time period that helmet is more than apprioate. However in my opinion a cop who is every kind of cop in one should have a multi purpose helmet that is appropriate for all situations would be the best way to go.

How do your words contradict with the helmet size of judges?
Are you aware that judges ride lawmasters? Participate in pursuits?

As for cushion, all helmets you mentioned are meant to protect heads from physical impact - doesn't matter if it's a baseball bat, a wall, ground, a sharpened entrenching shovel, a bullet or something else. I'm not saying, that a bike helmet is the same as a marine helmet. But if you think, that riot helmet isn't supposed to protect against anything but bullet, you're obviously wrong. So cushion is important for all helmets. That's why they're pretty big, in comparsion to Stallone, Magneto and other purely fashion helmets out there.

 

[wobbly]

A couple of points worth noting here:
1) Very few movies put practical purpose above aesthetics when creating a fictional design. Movie history is adundent with such very successful examples.

A few have already been noted, but because the military and police of this age do not use similar designs there's 'not a single reason' to think these successful designs are worthy examples, allegedly.

Lol.

Which brings me to 2) It is genuinely curious to see anyone arguing about the reality of Dredd's uniform as if he were a Cop in the present day, which is what's been happening here. That this film, like other war or cop movies that are set in the present day, is indeed subject to any and all practical design limitations that are present in the protective attire that exists in our time.

Ok. If we are to proceed in that vein, then the multi-round hand-gun with a bullet for every occasion has to go as well. In the present we can no more make a gun that can do that than we can make a smaller helmet that offers as much protections as a big ass one.

But, obviously, Dredd isn't set in the here and now. His world is 100 years away.
He is the 'lawman of tommorrow', not today.

So, the gun works because it's entirely plausible we could make a gun like that by then.

But, somehow, a smaller protective helmet...is not?

Ok then...this pov, such as it is, is indeed a rather selective one. On the one hand it freely accepts advancements (the weapons) , on the other it demands stagnation (the armor).

As both weapons and armor are the results of technology, advancement is believable for the future. Stagnation is not.

The inevitable conclusion any rational mind comes to then is that a big ass present day styled 'real' helmet is actually LESS believable in the future than a smaller streamlined job.

Big ass exhibits no development. Smaller does.

Perhaps old Carlos was on to something after all, predicting such advancements 30 odd years ago when he first designed the bloody thing.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Look at the bigger picture. Have you noticed, that the new world of Dredd inspired by grounded designs of movies like Robocop, Total Recall, Escape From New York? Uniform, vehicles, guns, the city - everything is far from sort of glamorous worlds of comic book and Stallone versions of Dredd.

2) It is genuinely curious to see anyone arguing about the reality of Dredd's uniform as if he were a Cop in the present day, which is what's been happening here. That this film, like other war or cop movies that are set in the present day, is indeed subject to any and all practical design limitations that are present in the protective attire that exists in our time.

Have you noticed that everything in the movie looks very close to our time?

Seriously, the biggest problem with the helmet is that some people just can't re-adjust to the new approach.

 

[wobbly]

lol, lets just ignore point one completely then...

Look at the bigger picture. Have you noticed, that the new world of Dredd inspired by grounded designs of movies like Robocop, Total Recall, Escape From New York? Uniform, vehicles, guns, the city - everything is far from sort of glamorous worlds of comic book and Stallone versions of Dredd.

Except the helmet
Ironic you should cite the small helmeted Robocop btw.

Now then...Have you noticed I never mentioned the full blown extravagance of the Comic book world or Stallones? I was talking about the gun and the helmet, was I not?

Have you noticed that everything in the movie looks very close to our time?

Sure have and can't say I'm keen on that. However, besides the point.

Let's try this again:
This film is set in the future. True or False?
The Judges are not sporting modern day hand guns. True or False?
The Judges are not wearing modern day helmets. True or False?

Assuming the obvious, the answer to all 3 is 'True'. So the point that you cut out from the quote you responded to (so as to avoid addressing it I suppose) remains:
The story is set in the future. This is a future far enough away for Dredd's police state to have emerged ruling over some form of (presumably toned down) Mega City One.

Be in 100, 50, 20 years down the line technology has advanced. Guns will have advanced. Armor will have advanced.

So, applying present day limitations to one area (armor) to suit your case, but ignoring them in another when it doesn't (guns), is a glaring double standard.

And please...do not attempt to make a smaller helmet as comparable a leap in technology to sprawling exoticly designed Mega City blocks, flying H-Wagons, Sky high freeways with 500mph Superjuggernauts and so on. It is obviously nothing of the kind.

We will likely have developed materials that can offer as much protection as something thicker before a hand gun that can alter the property of it's shells at the flick of a switch.

Seriously, the biggest problem with the helmet is that some people just can't re-adjust to the new approach.

Oh, so there's no subjectivity to it then. People are not thinking it's too big because they think it is simply too big. They are thinking its too big because they can't re-adjust...

And, No.

Seriously, the biggest problem is that there's a precariously fine line between bad ass and bobblehead. And there's no denying they are right on that line. As such as many as not will think that they have needlessly crossed it. It's not them failing to re-adjust, its them simply seeing the helmet as being too big.

You don't and that's fine. See, that's accepting a different opinion. That's accepting this is subjective.

If you can allow others to have their subjective opinion, instead of trying your up-most to invalidate the core reason behind them having it, you'd save all of us a good deal of time and unnecessary annoyance.

 

[OutOfBoose]

More footage:

Comes from the showreel of one of FX composers (Ephraim Mwakandu). There's a small piece of the pursuit in that video:
http://vimeo.com/36605186 (1:52)

 

[Wesley Dodds]

So I'm really looking forward to this movie but... do these gifs look a little bit SyFy Original movie?

 

[The Morningstar]

In motion the helmets don't look too bad. Looks cool.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The future looks pretty much the same as now. Post-apocalyptic Dubai. ))

Watching these, I have a strong deja vu. Reminds me of Robocop. Way too much.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Except the helmet
Ironic you should cite the small helmeted Robocop btw.

Again. It's a robot's helmet. Useless for humans, OK? You can't tighten it with screws to the mechanical chassis.

Now then...Have you noticed I never mentioned the full blown extravagance of the Comic book world or Stallones? I was talking about the gun and the helmet, was I not?

Should the helmet design fit the world and rules of the movie? Or should it exist independently?

Let's try this again:
This film is set in the future. True or False?
The Judges are not sporting modern day hand guns. True or False?
The Judges are not wearing modern day helmets. True or False?

Let's:
1) Partially true. What future? 2 years ahead or 1000? How does this future looks? is it close to the present day or is it radically different? The answer is - it's close to the present day.
2) Judging by the script and the footage, there's a lot of "antique" weapons in it. I hope you saw Anderson with an MP5? So answer is actually they do. But to make it even more clear, some weapons are totally sci-fi.
3) Incorrect question. Judge helmet from the new movie has everything to look like a real helmet. Maybe it's an oridinary helmet with extravagant design. I can't say for sure, because I haven't seen the movie yet.

Assuming the obvious, the answer to all 3 is 'True'. So the point that you cut out from the quote you responded to (so as to avoid addressing it I suppose) remains:
The story is set in the future. This is a future far enough away for Dredd's police state to have emerged ruling over some form of (presumably toned down) Mega City One.

There's nothing obvious. You judge the new helmet by your previous experience with the franchise.

Be in 100, 50, 20 years down the line technology has advanced. Guns will have advanced. Armor will have advanced.

Hm... How did it happen that law enforcement agencies use 50 or even more years old weapons? Shouldn't they use blasters and photon grenades already?

So, applying present day limitations to one area (armor) to suit your case, but ignoring them in another when it doesn't (guns), is a glaring double standard.

I'm not applying anything. The world of the new movie has limitations. That's me who suggested you to look at the bigger picture. You refusing to understand that flying mechanical horses can't fit into the world of, for example, Robocop. Everything comes down to an aesthetics, to logic.

And please...do not attempt to make a smaller helmet as comparable a leap in technology to sprawling exoticly designed Mega City blocks, flying H-Wagons, Sky high freeways with 500mph Superjuggernauts and so on. It is obviously nothing of the kind.

Have you seen all of that in the new movie? No. So that's you making everything up. Again, you base your judgement on the previous experience with Judge Dredd franchise. You need to realize, that's this movie is the new animal.

Oh, so there's no subjectivity to it then. People are not thinking it's too big because they think it is simply too big. They are thinking its too big because they can't re-adjust...

That's right. Subjective.

Seriously, the biggest problem is that there's a precariously fine line between bad ass and bobblehead. And there's no denying they are right on that line. As such as many as not will think that they have needlessly crossed it. It's not them failing to re-adjust, its them simply seeing the helmet as being too big.

I explained why. You may understand it or not, it doesn't really matter. Nobody forces nobody. If you or somebody else don't like it, it's OK.

You don't and that's fine. See, that's accepting a different opinion. That's accepting this is subjective.

I accept your opinion. But it doesn't contradict with my analysis why people think the way they think.

If you can allow others to have their subjective opinion, instead of trying your up-most to invalidate the core reason behind them having it, you'd save all of us a good deal of time and unnecessary annoyance.

At least, say for yourself. If you're annoyed, it doesn't mean that everybody else is annoyed too.

 

[wobbly]

1) Partially true.

Staggering....

 

[uniqueweasel]

It seems to me that this arguement is getting a bit silly, you can argue the realism of the helmets construction, etc. I don't care if it's made of adamantium, if it's a motorbike style helmet or whatever reason. The fact is on some of those pictures the helmet looks out of proportion, and too big in design, the rest of the costume looks pretty awesome, but that helmet doesn't sit right with a lot of people (myself included).

I think the main frustration with this is, that at it's core if done right the story of Dredd and the character could really translate well on the big screen, but this will never happen with the botched effort we saw with Stallones version, and bad costume design. I just hope I am really wrong and on the finished film everything looks great.

 

[wobbly]

It seems to me that this arguement is getting a bit silly, you can argue the realism of the helmets construction, etc. I don't care if it's made of adamantium, if it's a motorbike style helmet or whatever reason. The fact is on some of those pictures the helmet looks out of proportion, and too big in design, the rest of the costume looks pretty awesome, but that helmet doesn't sit right with a lot of people (myself included).

Agree entirely. All of this has stemmed from some random dude on the internet stopping by to tell us were wrong to think it's too big, and they compound this by having the cheek to think they know us well enough to 'explain' why we are thinking it's too big as well (it's not that it's too big...apparently).

That's been my beef with that guy from the start. I don't take too kindly to such nil informed presumption on the how and why of the formation of my opinion. 5 years in the cubes for annoying a Judge...

I think the main frustration with this is, that at it's core if done right the story of Dredd and the character could really translate well on the big screen, but this will never happen with the botched effort we saw with Stallones version, and bad costume design. I just hope I am really wrong and on the finished film everything looks great.

Agree again. We know the concept can make for an awesome film, but we also know the things that can ###k it up royally as well. Here's hoping they have avoided those things.

 

[OutOfBoose]

You completely misunderstand what I was talking about. It's beyond some people. Well, whatever.

 

[obin_gam]

More footage:

Comes from the showreel of one of FX composers (Ephraim Mwakandu). There's a small piece of the pursuit in that video:
http://vimeo.com/36605186 (1:52)

The thing about that footage that I thought was best was the dialogue!
"20 years in the cube"

"Sometimes I have to kill to preserve the law"

Urban has the perfect pitch on the voice!