Jurassic World - Part 10

[jmc]

My point was that after the weekend office nothing was made official which is the opposite of what you would expect. I really don't think I had to explain myself, seems to me more like you were looking for an argument.

 

[universeman]

Just wanted to say I was watching Curious George yesterday, you will never believe what the episode was about, dinosaurs as soon that went off they start showing scenes from the Dinosaur Train, this is the age of the dinosaurs and I love it! t:

 

[def28]

Been thinking about the flick alot, cause I really want to like it more haha. But still a bit bummed out.

JP1 did such an amazing job with the first T rex encounter and deaths. And even Lost World had some excellent scenes with tension like the Jeep on the cliff scene. The build, tension and pay off just worked so well. It's not just the kill that needs to happen but the build up with the sound, mud, the water cup, the electrified fence, the breaking glass, lack of music etc. I remembered so many details from those films, and the grand set pieces felt so planned and perfectly executed. They barely played the tension hand here at all and the one death they did play well was one that was hardly deserved to be the show stopper.

[BLACKOUT]Zara's death was very well done because they ****ed with audiences right when she landed. We all knew what was coming but they prolonged the inevitable very violently to the point where audiences just didn't know what was happening or when the obvious would exactly happen. [/BLACKOUT] I needed more of that kind of filmmaking, but with the characters who actually deserved to die far more graphically. Be it out of heroism or just by being a flat out villain.

Overall I'm very split on how they handled alot of the flick. Glad it's doing so well, cause very few things beat seeing Dinos on the screen imo. Jurassic Park was one of my best theatre experiences as a kid. But I was expecting a bit more creativity and execution this go around. Lot of missed chances here from the theme park rides and shows (no underwater scene set piece?) to the deaths. Just didn't have much impact for me.

 

[smallville fan]

Just saw this on Twitter. I think I now want a Pokemon movie.

 

[Wildcard]

It definitely felt like a big budget filler by the end or a big setup for another movie. Jurassic world and mad max both focused on the story first and foremost didnt try to setup easter eggs and future films and loose track of what they were even doing. AUO was a really good summer movie dont get me wrong but marvel clearly lost there way with it and became alittle lazy. A sad trait in most blockbusters these days.

I don't think it's a case of laziness, just a bit of disinterest because they're more interested in showing Thanos than Ultron. Once Whedon was dead set on using Ultron it seemed like Feige & co. had to backtrack by saying they wanted to take years to build him up & present him. It's almost too obvious that's not the original plan they intended to follow. Seems like they just wanted to accommodate Whedon.

But I definitely agree that JW had a clear advantage in not having quite as much 'baggage' as AoU, so to speak.

 

[Greens]

Been thinking about the flick alot, cause I really want to like it more haha. But still a bit bummed out.

JP1 did such an amazing job with the first T rex encounter and deaths. And even Lost World had some excellent scenes with tension like the Jeep on the cliff scene. The build, tension and pay off just worked so well. It's not just the kill that needs to happen but the build up with the sound, mud, the water cup, the electrified fence, the breaking glass, lack of music etc. I remembered so many details from those films, and the grand set pieces felt so planned and perfectly executed. They barely played the tension hand here at all and the one death they did play well was one that was hardly deserved to be the show stopper.

[BLACKOUT]Zara's death was very well done because they ****ed with audiences right when she landed. We all knew what was coming but they prolonged the inevitable very violently to the point where audiences just didn't know what was happening or when the obvious would exactly happen. [/BLACKOUT] I needed more of that kind of filmmaking, but with the characters who actually deserved to die far more graphically. Be it out of heroism or just by being a flat out villain.

Overall I'm very split on how they handled alot of the flick. Glad it's doing so well, cause very few things beat seeing Dinos on the screen imo. Jurassic Park was one of my best theatre experiences as a kid. But I was expecting a bit more creativity and execution this go around. Lot of missed chances here from the theme park rides and shows (no underwater scene set piece?) to the deaths. Just didn't have much impact for me.

I agree. JP and TLW had actual set pieces that were memorable. In JW, the iRex shows up and does something intercut with generic shots of people gasping in the control room... okay on to the next scene.

 

[AnneFan]

I agree. JP and TLW had actual set pieces that were memorable. In JW, the iRex shows up and does something intercut with generic shots of people gasping in the control room... okay on to the next scene.

That's part of why I rank JW third in the series. I like JW, don't get me wrong. However TLW had better set pieces and a better atmosphere in my opinion.

 

[DCnightwing23]

I don't understand people putting TLW above JW. More set pieces? Explain please, because to me the only one i can think of is the trailer over the cliff. Oh and the raptop scene in TLW being more suspenseful than anything in JW? Really, i suppose you loved the scene where a little girl takes down a raptor and grown men with guns get eaten. For shame. The gyrosphere i-Rex scene, the ending on the mainstreet, the raptor betrayal and pov attack, the soldiers first encounter with i-Rex, the i-Rex in it's paddock escape, the kids discovering the islands Jurassic roots with the first visitors center of JP. There were a lot of memorable moments here in JW. I definitely have TLW 3rd but it definitely doesn't top JW.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One quick question, I missed it in the cinema as a family member was asking me a question, why did Owen shake his head at Blue after the climax of the fight at the end? Was Blue going to attack them?

 

[smallville fan]

One quick question, I missed it in the cinema as a family member was asking me a question, why did Owen shake his head at Blue after the climax of the fight at the end? Was Blue going to attack them?

Blue was wondering whether [BLACKOUT]she would go with Owen and the others. Now they go their separate ways[/BLACKOUT].

 

[PunyGod]

The dinosaurs in this looked so boring. They were all just shades of brown and grey. JP3 was at least better in this regard.

 

[def28]

I don't understand people putting TLW above JW. More set pieces? Explain please, because to me the only one i can think of is the trailer over the cliff. Oh and the raptop scene in TLW being more suspenseful than anything in JW? Really, i suppose you loved the scene where a little girl takes down a raptor and grown men with guns get eaten. For shame. The gyrosphere i-Rex scene, the ending on the mainstreet, the raptor betrayal and pov attack, the soldiers first encounter with i-Rex, the i-Rex in it's paddock escape, the kids discovering the islands Jurassic roots with the first visitors center of JP. There were a lot of memorable moments here in JW. I definitely have TLW 3rd but it definitely doesn't top JW.

All my opinion of course...
The gymnastic kick is one of the worst things in the series. But that doesn't stop the Lost World from having set pieces that were directed with far more precision and care that led to imo a much more effective world as well as seat grabbing tension as Jurassic World. I'm here for the Dino terror and suspense as well as the CGI visuals.

Jurassic World's set pieces (while fun) were more on the line of cartoon action and there for kicking in nostalgia.They just kind of happen then move along without giving off atmosphere or suspense. They upped the Dino's on screen and nonstop pace but not really the horror and suspense. Which is what I continue to stay impressed by in this series as a I get older.

 

[AnneFan]

I don't understand people putting TLW above JW. More set pieces? Explain please, because to me the only one i can think of is the trailer over the cliff. Oh and the raptop scene in TLW being more suspenseful than anything in JW?

I didn't say more set pieces, I said better set pieces. The trailer over the cliff is better than any of the JW set pieces, in my opinion. It's really well done. The T-Rex camp attack is another good one, too. Chasing the people to the waterfall, and of course the raptors in the long grass. The compys were also a highlight in TLW. They took a seemingly harmless creature into a serious threat. Especially when there's 20 or more on the prowl together.

Really, i suppose you loved the scene where a little girl takes down a raptor and grown men with guns get eaten. Fro shame.

That scene isn't the best, granted. But it's still just one scene. And grown men with guns get eaten in all the films, even Jurassic World. However I don't want to give the impression that I'm attacking Jurassic World. It's a good film, and I loved seeing the working park. The only dud in the franchise is Jurassic Park III. But I do think TLW is the overall better experience.

 

[Greens]

The set pieces in JP and TLW were well-crafted. I can't really use that word for any of the set pieces in JW.

 

[def28]

Yeah, and in a place where there is fully operational attractions I found that to be a let down for Dino vs Mechanical land/sky rides or underwater show carnage.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Am I the only one who likes JP3 over TLW? I really like the Spinosaurus as a new monster and felt it was a good change of acr from previously. I just wish the fight with the T-Rex was longer and the ending much better. But I enjoy it overall. JW has overtaken both for me now though.

Blue was wondering whether [BLACKOUT]she would go with Owen and the others. Now they go their separate ways[/BLACKOUT].

Aw, they really did a good job of making the raptors sympathetic in this. That just makes me feel even more sorry for the ones who died in the final battle.

 

[Voltron]

The I-Rex escaping and killing all those people is all Owen's fault.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Um... no. It isn't.

 

[Voltron]

Um yes it is. It was Owen who suggested to go in the pen instead of checking the gps implant first for its whereabouts.

 

[divan]

The Lost World has only two truly good setpieces - The velociraptor stalking the InGen mercenaries and InGen's arriving to the Island and capturing the Dinos. The the trailer attack is more or less a good set-piece, which is frankly awful in places (I mean the trailer falling down avoiding the three protagonists and the obvious green-screen looked completely amateurish) but has a highlight in Eddie's efforts and subsequent death.

I'd say the I-Rex escape, the ACU kills, the Pterandon attack (highlight being Zara's death), the Gyrosphere scene, the Velociraptor attack (which admittedly owes a lot to that Lost World scene, as well as Aliens) and specially the Final Brawl are on par with those Lost World scenes, and better than anything the Lost World has to offer.

It also helps that JW knows what it wants to be better than TLW - JW knows it's a more of a Kaiju spectacle than it is Jaws, something that uses in its favor by focusing on action instead of horror yet still managing to make scenes like the I-Rex' escape suspensful.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Um yes it is. It was Owen who suggested to go in the pen instead of checking the gps implant first for its whereabouts.

Thermal scanning had already shown the creature wasn't in the pen, for all they knew. He didn't know the creature could hide itself from the scanners. All he acted on was the info he was given, and none of the people who had better info told him otherwise to stop him.

Anyway, he was brought there in the first place to examine the paddock. He was just doing what he was told to begin with.

 

[Voltron]

Thermal scanning had already shown the creature wasn't in the pen, for all they knew. He didn't know the creature could hide itself from the scanners. All he acted on was the info he was given, and none of the people who had better info told him otherwise to stop him.

Anyway, he was brought there in the first place to examine the paddock. He was just doing what he was told to begin with.

I don't remember that part, so instead of Owen's fault entirely, it's Owen's fault partly then.

 

[ThePhantasm]

No, it isn't his fault at all. I'm not sure you know what "at fault" means.

 

[Voltron]

It is his fault partly bc Claire already told him about the gps implant. They all should've ascertained its location using the implant first before making their next move.

 

[ThePhantasm]

She called central to track the implant immediately. For some reason it didn't pick up the signal until Owen was already in the paddock. But again, they thought they were tracking an animal that was outside the paddock, not inside. Thermal scanning had already shown there was no living creature in the paddock. Owen had zero reason to believe tracking would reveal the creature to be in the paddock.