Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

[JerseyJoker]

I find it weird that people are acting like Justice League getting destroyed by Jumanji and Thor3 is embarassing.

Thats what's suppose to happen.

Good movies should do better than bad movies. People behind Thor3 and Jumanji scripted together complete films that were enjoyed by mass audiences.

Justice League hoped that fanboys wouldn't care about problems and general audiences would give DC their 3rd pass out out four and still see the movie because ...superheroes you've heard of?

 

[MbJ]

I think this was indeed a case of three strikes you’re out.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

I find it weird that people are acting like Justice League getting destroyed by Jumanji and Thor3 is embarassing.

Thats what's suppose to happen.

Good movies should do better than bad movies. People behind Thor3 and Jumanji scripted together complete films that were enjoyed by mass audiences.

Justice League hoped that fanboys wouldn't care about problems and general audiences would give DC their 3rd pass out out four and still see the movie because ...superheroes you've heard of?

yeah but if you had told me 5 years ago...

 

[kguillou]

Some regulars here, were on cloud9... just enjoying all the positive buzz initially.

Just like BvS, in fact!

But then once out in theaters... the narrative flipped and it just... man--it just sucked the wind out of everyone.

JL's an interesting beast in that regard. A lot of the initial buzz from the popular online sites were very positive and those same sites destroyed BvS when it came out. I was one of those "cloud 9" people because I figured this had to have been a good sign.

BvS' initial reactions came from fans not critics or online journalists. Those fans all gave it glowing reviews and then that came to a halt once the embargo lifted. This time, fans AND online journalists, several of which were Rotten Tomatoes reviewers, were saying the movie was a different animal than BvS and a lot of fun. But then...the "real" critics came,the ones who dont give a damn about comic books and judged the movie as a movie and the onslaught began again.

Its then I realized that although from a MOVIE standpoint, its a frustrating mess, I think its one of those rare films that could still tickle your fancy at the same time. If you read/watch/ listen to the reviews from the popular geek websites ( your IGN's, Collider, Campea, Stuckmann, Heroic Hollywood, pretty much all the ones who were invited to the set visit back in 2016 etc.) they all have a similar consensus: "its not a GOOD movie but its a fun and entertaining movie with lots of moments that made my inner geek smile." And I think that sums it up, if your a comic geek or into this stuff, the movie's got enough to make you enjoy what your watching but when you step back and take the nerd goggles off, its an incredibly flimsy FILM that falls apart.

 

[honestbharani]

I honestly think that is what WB was aiming for once the reshoots began. IMO, that was the extent of the salvage they must have hoped for bringing Whedon in to do rewrites even before Snyder had to leave. That is why I keep repeating, I think they pulled off the salvage to an extent that they may actually be ok with, if not exactly satisfactory.

 

[metaphysician]

I tend to think its mostly because, yes, the movie actually *was* better.

"Better" does not mean "good", however. It was better, mostly by way of the prior movie being epicly awful. That gave JL plenty of room to be a measurably, meaningfully better movie, and still be crap.

 

[xenos5]

I find it weird that people are acting like Justice League getting destroyed by Jumanji and Thor3 is embarassing.

Thats what's suppose to happen.

Good movies should do better than bad movies. People behind Thor3 and Jumanji scripted together complete films that were enjoyed by mass audiences.

Justice League hoped that fanboys wouldn't care about problems and general audiences would give DC their 3rd pass out out four and still see the movie because ...superheroes you've heard of?

Brand recognition certainly isn't the be all end all nowadays. Especially not when the cinematic version of that brand has been tarnished by previous outings.

People may have gotten disillusioned with the transformers movies continuing to make bank despite each being as braindead and trashy as the last (and same with the twilight movies) though that seems to have run its course thankfully as Last Knight had a gigantic drop from age of extinction.

I'm personally glad the try-hard young adult dystopian novel movie fad has died out. I was bored out of my mind watching Divergent, First Hunger Games was alright but sequels felt painfully predictable, and I didn't even bother with Maze Runner. They all just started to blend together at a certain point.

 

[hurley711]

I wasn't a big fan of Ant Man and as I just finished watching the trailer to Ant Man & the Wasp I'm dumbfounded by the fact that this movie is going to make way more BO $$$ than Justice League. Who would have ever thought that 2-3 yrs ago.

 

[MbJ]

That's why Marvel's universe works in a way nobody else has been able to touch so far. There's enough audience goodwill and trust in the brand that people went out to go see a movie about the hero with one of the lamest identities known to man.

Interestingly, the thing that is likely gonna benefit it most is similar to DC's strategy. The first Ant-Man movie was a hit but nothing that lit the world on fire (I think around 500 million). But then Marvel went and put him in Civil War, a massive team-up movie with a guaranteed audience due to the popularity of the Avengers brand. So now a bunch of people who never saw the first Ant-Man liked him in Civil War and will likely have more interest in seeing his sequel than they would've had originally. Which is not too dissimilar from DC's strategy of introducing people like Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Flash in team movies before spinning them off into their own flicks, just executed way more competently.

 

[GreenKToo]

Another huge difference is the suits at marvel actually care about the characters and can tell you their origins, who the main characters parents are etc etc.
Do you think the suits at WB could do the same?

At marvel, They worry about making a good film first, then the money that they'll rake in 2nd.

 

[Iceman]

That's why Marvel's universe works in a way nobody else has been able to touch so far. There's enough audience goodwill and trust in the brand that people went out to go see a movie about the hero with one of the lamest identities known to man.

Interestingly, the thing that is likely gonna benefit it most is similar to DC's strategy. The first Ant-Man movie was a hit but nothing that lit the world on fire (I think around 500 million). But then Marvel went and put him in Civil War, a massive team-up movie with a guaranteed audience due to the popularity of the Avengers brand. So now a bunch of people who never saw the first Ant-Man liked him in Civil War and will likely have more interest in seeing his sequel than they would've had originally. Which is not too dissimilar from DC's strategy of introducing people like Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Flash in team movies before spinning them off into their own flicks, just executed way more competently.

Slight problem when the mega team up movie of all the best characters makes only $136m more worldwide than the lame identity character solo film.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

At marvel, They worry about making a good film first, then the money that they'll rake in 2nd.

nah, the money comes first but they obviously want good movies to be made

 

[markjoedelonge]

Marvel have reached the point (long ago) where they are able to tell what key ingredients are needed in the movie, so at the VERY least, it's an enjoyable movie.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Marvel have reached the point (long ago) where they are able to tell what key ingredients are needed in the movie, so at the VERY least, it's an enjoyable movie.

And that's what you're going to get. "Enjoyable" movies. They'll maintain a template and not give a crap as long as they make gobs of cash.

The days are coming when people will yearn for another Man of Steel, another Logan, another The Winter Soldier, and you're going to get further episodes of Iron Ant v Strange Thor featuring Hulk.

Of course, I could be wrong. And maybe WB will get their balls back.

 

[Iceman]

Marvel have reached the point (long ago) where they are able to tell what key ingredients are needed in the movie, so at the VERY least, it's an enjoyable movie.

And most of the weaker MCU films are a good while ago now.

 

[MbJ]

The days are coming when people will yearn for another Man of Steel, another Logan, another The Winter Soldier, and you're going to get further episodes of Iron Ant v Strange Thor featuring Hulk.

The Dark Knight would probably be a better example. But we are gonna get to a place like westerns where it's only the very daring and deconstructionist stuff that goes over well in a few decades. I have a feeling Logan is gonna kick off something special.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Add TDK if you like, but the point remains. They're going to file off all the edges and what remains will be smooth and harmless. Ask for vanilla, get vanilla.

You won't see a movie like Logan out of Disney. You're going to get a Wolverine who ends every sentence with "Sure, bub!" and puffs cigars while slashing down bipedal lizards. On the upside, you'll get to see the suits.

 

[MbJ]

Add TDK if you like, but the point remains. They're going to file off all the edges and what remains will be smooth and harmless. Ask for vanilla, get vanilla.

Eh. I'll take vanilla over train wrecks. It's a shame the DCEU hasn't been working, because I liked the idea of more daring and creator-driven movies as a nice counterpoint.

Maybe they'll recommit to that whole out of continuity standalone film idea we heard about last year. I know everyone laughed down the idea of the Joker origin movie, but I think the line as a concept has a nice chance to succeed where the rest of the DCEU movies (barring Wonder Woman, obviously) have fallen down.

 

[Iceman]

I think this was indeed a case of three strikes you’re out.

Or maybe even caught 2nd time out.

 

[Erzengel]

I can't wait for an enjoyable World's Finest or JL movie.

 

[markjoedelonge]

And that's what you're going to get. "Enjoyable" movies. They'll maintain a template and not give a crap as long as they make gobs of cash.

The days are coming when people will yearn for another Man of Steel, another Logan, another The Winter Soldier, and you're going to get further episodes of Iron Ant v Strange Thor featuring Hulk.

Of course, I could be wrong. And maybe WB will get their balls back.

I think this is a very true statement. I think people are yearning for a CBM to shock and catch them off-guard, like The Dark Knight did. You can see it in people's reactions to CBMs, like the early reactions. I see people using the word "ground-breaking" or "game-changer" in reaction tweets for Black Panther, and I'm thinking that people have been wanting a CBM to have an impact akin to the impact TDK had on the CBM genre. Logan was very close to achieving that, but I felt that it wasn't the same impact TDK had, because we knew what we were getting with Logan. TDK just surprised everyone in the best way possible.

 

[honestbharani]

And that's what you're going to get. "Enjoyable" movies. They'll maintain a template and not give a crap as long as they make gobs of cash.

The days are coming when people will yearn for another Man of Steel, another Logan, another The Winter Soldier, and you're going to get further episodes of Iron Ant v Strange Thor featuring Hulk.

Of course, I could be wrong. And maybe WB will get their balls back.

Right. Coz "enjoyable" movies are not good movies.

 

[Timebomb]

I yearn for great comic book movies period! If someone excludes movies based on bias, not sure what that says about that person's idea of quality.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

And that's what you're going to get. "Enjoyable" movies. They'll maintain a template and not give a crap as long as they make gobs of cash.

The days are coming when people will yearn for another Man of Steel, another Logan, another The Winter Soldier, and you're going to get further episodes of Iron Ant v Strange Thor featuring Hulk.

Of course, I could be wrong. And maybe WB will get their balls back.

Man of Steel doesn't belong on that list. Sorry.

And you seem to have missed the point. it's "enjoyable" at a minimum. Which should be the floor for any SH action film.

 

[Patchwork Man]

No, you're missing the point. "Enjoyable at a minimum" is exactly what you keep asking for, so have your utensils and bib at the ready in order to be force-fed the same damn thing over and over. Look at the Ant-Man & The Wasp trailer and tell me I'm wrong.