Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

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Idk, JL was always bound to suffer due to people not liking BVS and JL still being helmed by Zack. WW did incredibly well IMO, for a film that featured a character from BVS. Aquaman will be the true test of whether the DCEU can/should continue. I have a lot of faith in Wan and I think Aquaman will be a success. Shazam looks to be shaping up really well too.
 
700-800 would be great for Aquaman or Shazam.

WW2 "should" be north of $850M.
 
Maybe the audience today or millennials sees Black Panther and his Marvel friends are the A Listers and DC as the B Lister. Maybe Superman and the JL are passé now.

DC NOW are like the Flash Gordon, The Phantom, and Mandrake the Magician to movie goers back when Superman and Batman dominated the industry.

I don't believe that. Wonder Woman was still a hit and only 6 years ago, we had a Batman movie bring in over a billion dollars. The problem is not the characters, just the movies being made about them.

There is a universe where with the proper creative team and competent management behind the scenes, the Superman reboot in 2013 was an unequivocal success that led to a well liked and successful franchise.
 
Maybe the audience today or millennials sees Black Panther and his Marvel friends are the A Listers and DC as the B Lister. Maybe Superman and the JL are passé now.

DC NOW are like the Flash Gordon, The Phantom, and Mandrake the Magician to movie goers back when Superman and Batman dominated the industry.

You might want to check out how much movies like The Legend of Tarzan, Lone Ranger, John Carter made.

The Legend of Tarzan (2016), WB - Worldwide: $357 mil.
The Lone Ranger (2013), Disney - Worldwide: $260 mil.
John Carter(2012), Disney -Worldwide: $284 mil. (approx.)

Around those same years, we had

Wonder Woman (2017): worldwide: $822 mil.
Suicide Squad (2016): worldwide: $747 mil.
Man of Steel (2013):worldwide: $668 mil.
The Dark Knight Rises (2012):worldwide: $1085 mil.
 
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I don't believe that. Wonder Woman was still a hit and only 6 years ago, we had a Batman movie bring in over a billion dollars. The problem is not the characters, just the movies being made about them.

There is a universe where with the proper creative team and competent management behind the scenes, the Superman reboot in 2013 was an unequivocal success that led to a well liked and successful franchise.

If not that a universe where after MoS Snyder and/or DC learnt their lessons and gave us a truly great follow up instead of doubling down on their mistakes. So much could've been salvaged from MoS. It was a good start.
 
Maybe the audience today or millennials sees Black Panther and his Marvel friends are the A Listers and DC as the B Lister. Maybe Superman and the JL are passé now.

A Superman movie that paints him as the ultimate immigrant, who comes to earth to fight for truth and justice... makes over a billion easily in today’s political and social climate of fake news, rampant corruption and injustice. Superman could, and should, be the most culturally relevant superhero of them all. The message around immigration, integration, acceptance, and standing up for the truth, would hit home harder and better than any other character.
 
A Superman movie that paints him as the ultimate immigrant, who comes to earth to fight for truth and justice... makes over a billion easily in today’s political and social climate of fake news, rampant corruption and injustice. Superman could, and should, be the most culturally relevant superhero of them all. The message around immigration, integration, acceptance, and standing up for the truth, would hit home harder and better than any other character.

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If not that a universe where after MoS Snyder and/or DC learnt their lessons and gave us a truly great follow up instead of doubling down on their mistakes. So much could've been salvaged from MoS. It was a good start.

Yeah there was still some really good stuff to build on there.
 
Man of Steel was terrible. If you want to see the reasons for the collapse of the DCEU, look to Man of Steel, because that's where the seeds of its failure were planted. Whether it be Pa Kent raising Clark to be a sociopath by telling him that he should've left a busload of children to drown, doing away with the classic costume and going for a darker look, and having a Superman who starts his career by snapping a guys neck, it was a horrid movie all around. And WB knows it, which is why Man of Steel never got a sequel, and they instead decided to make what seemed like the safe choice by instead doing BVS and bringing Batman into the mix.
 
Man of Steel was terrible. If you want to see the reasons for the collapse of the DCEU, look to Man of Steel, because that's where the seeds of its failure were planted. Whether it be Pa Kent raising Clark to be a sociopath by telling him that he should've left a busload of children to drown, doing away with the classic costume and going for a darker look, and having a Superman who starts his career by snapping a guys neck, it was a horrid movie all around. And WB knows it, which is why Man of Steel never got a sequel, and they instead decided to make what seemed like the safe choice by instead doing BVS and bringing Batman into the mix.

I'm still very sure that if the studio had reined Snyder in, then MoS would have been the smash hit they were after. There was a lot about it that was right. The design of Krypton was marvellous. The storyline in general was good. The performances were great. The effects were by and large good. Cavill was extremely good in the main part (considering how poor the characterisation was, he did a very good job).

But... the appalling handling of the Kents, in favour of making Jor-El more important to Clark's upbringing, was incredibly bone-headed, and a large turn off. The constant, heavy handed Christ parallels were also poorly executed. The neck snap was stupendously ill-judged, and only exists so Snyder can indulge his adolescent desire to 'grow the character up'.

It's so frustrating. With a few changes, it could have been a genuinely great movie.
 
Watching Superman fight Zod level half the city with no regard to human life was just a bad idea. I know he’s done similar in the animated series, but for the first movie in years, they should have thought through it clearer.
 
Man of Steel was terrible. If you want to see the reasons for the collapse of the DCEU, look to Man of Steel, because that's where the seeds of its failure were planted. Whether it be Pa Kent raising Clark to be a sociopath by telling him that he should've left a busload of children to drown, doing away with the classic costume and going for a darker look, and having a Superman who starts his career by snapping a guys neck, it was a horrid movie all around. And WB knows it, which is why Man of Steel never got a sequel, and they instead decided to make what seemed like the safe choice by instead doing BVS and bringing Batman into the mix.

Yeah, no offense to anyone, but it boggles my mind how people can describe MOS as a "good start".

Batman Begins is a good start. Casino Royale is a good start. MOS is not in the same caliber as those two films.
 
Yeah, we literally had the foster father of the most iconic comic book hero tell his son that he should've allowed a busload of children to drown to death. That's horrible! That's the sort of thing someone tells their child, who later grows up to be a serial killer. Who ever thought that was a good way to portray the Kents?!? And then, of course, Clark just stands there and does nothing while Pa Kent is killed by a tornado. Really, now? So that's one hugely problematic part of the movie. Had the Kents actually been portrayed as decent human beings who taught Clark to be a good person, rather than someone who should think only of his own welfare at the expense of others, then that would've made the movie far better.

Then there's him killing Zod, as well as the massive destruction in Metropolis, which made it look like a post-apocalyptic warzone. Superman is a character who's supposed to overcome his problems, in spite of the odds against him, and does so without violating his code of ethics. Snyder's attempt to "grow up" the character by forcing him to kill was the absolute worst thing to do. What would've been better would've been for Superman to be placed in a situation where killing was seemingly the only choice, but through grit, determination, and willpower, he's able to find another way to resolve the issue in such a way that nobody dies.

The irony of that is that Snyder considers that an attempt to grow the character up but, as you point out, that came out of his own childishness and immaturity. The man has an adolescent worldview and it shows in his film making. Meanwhile, Christopher Nolan gives us truly mature filmmaking, and what'd he do with Batman? Did he have Batman gunning down criminals left and right? Nope. His Batman never killed. He was even faced with an opportunity to kill the Joker, was dared into killing him, and Batman refrained from killing Joker. Now THAT is mature storytelling. What Snyder did was hopelessly childish and damaging to the character of Superman.

And I seriously, seriously dislike the costume. They tried so hard to make it so post-modern and bad ass, and it just looks bleak and terrible. Superman's supposed to be a bright optimistic symbol. He shouldn't be flying around in a dark and dreary costume that looks closer to the kind of color palette used by Batman.

What a waste...
 
Yeah, no offense to anyone, but it boggles my mind how people can describe MOS as a "good start".

Batman Begins is a good start. Casino Royale is a good start. MOS is not in the same caliber as those two films.

Agreed. And again, the fact that Man of Steel has never gotten a sequel, nor has there ever been any serious talk of doing a sequel, attests to that. Man of Steel was a failure and Warner Bros. knew it. Sure, it made $600+ million, but it was Superman. And really, a Superman movie shouldn't done better than what Wonder Woman did last year, and WB knew it. They also knew that, if they gave the audience that same iteration of Superman another standalone movie, that it'd make even less money than the first one. That's why they threw Batman in the mix, and it briefly worked, as BVS had a pretty good opening weekend. BVS, however, didn't have any legs. And by the time Justice League came out, the audience already knew better and stayed away.
 
Yeah, we literally had the foster father of the most iconic comic book hero tell his son that he should've allowed a busload of children to drown to death.

Actually, he says "Maybe".

A word that here means "maybe".

So no, that's not "literally" what happened.

Keep on keepin' on.
 
Actually, he says "Maybe".

A word that here means "maybe".

So no, that's not "literally" what happened.

Keep on keepin' on.

So his father, one of his role models, says he (with all that power) maybe should've left a bunch of kids to drown... What an improvement.
 
I still feel MOS was salvageable with several third act changes. The sins of the third act weighed down the film so badly it could never achieved what it originally set out to do box office-wise.

I find BvS and JL beyond saving no matter what changes are made. Their box office fate could not be altered no matter what rewrites, reshoots or other changes are theorized.
 
I'm still very sure that if the studio had reined Snyder in, then MoS would have been the smash hit they were after.

By the end of production, they were all on the same page — and by "they," I mean Goyer, Snyder and Nolan. MoS' mid-month June release was odd. A month earlier or later and it would have made more money. That said, it was not a bomb. Don't get the film mixed up with Superman Returns.
 
MOS ( for me) suffered from poor editing and a fight that dragged on for too long at the end.
Less is more.
I would have had the fight start as it did, but the difference would be, superman would fly off in the middle of it to save innocents caught in the cross fire.
Supes would finally lead zod out of the city to finish things there.
 
Infinity War is about to come close to outgrossing Justice League in one weekend.
 
Yeah, no offense to anyone, but it boggles my mind how people can describe MOS as a "good start".

Batman Begins is a good start. Casino Royale is a good start. MOS is not in the same caliber as those two films.

There was stuff that could've been salvaged. But because they made BVS 10 times worse all of that went unnoticed and made it easier to look back at MOS unfavourably because now it looks to be the root of all of DCEU's problems.

But if BvS had been a great "Worlds Finest" style film that introduced a great Batman and gave us Superman the Hero (not that JL clown) had him address the MoS destruction and the killing of Zod, instead of making him a 1000 times worse character than he was in MoS, people would probably look back at MoS and be a little more forgiving of what was attempted.

When I say "Good start" I don't mean that the movie itself was really good per sé (although I don't dislike it as much) Instead I mean that after MoS the DCEU was not in a horrible position. Anything could still happen. MoS was not what killed the DCEU.

BvS was.
 
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