Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yup. People tend to forget to adjust for inflation when talking about old films. Connery's Bond was king back in the day. Even beyond that, Moonraker made a surprising amount of cash due to them jumping on the Star Wars bandwagon.

Plus Moonraker was helped by coming directly after TSWLM which revitalized the franchise after some missteps and legal troubles.

EDIT: TSWLM almost doubled its immediate predecessor (by inflation, without inflation it more than doubled it) The Man with the Golden Gun, which is quite the jump.

 

[The Batman]

I don't know. In an era where characters like Deadpool, Black Panther and Doctor Strange are becoming household names something drastic has to be done with Superman in order for him to remain relevant I feel. I think JL showed part of the problem in that he's overpowered.

Honestly, this is the kind of overthinking that leads to an SR, MOS, or BVS.

You know what Deadpool, Black Panther, and Dr. Strange have in common? Disney and Fox embraced what those characters actually are. Let Superman be Superman.

 

[Iceman]

I don't know. In an era where characters like Deadpool, Black Panther and Doctor Strange are becoming household names something drastic has to be done with Superman in order for him to remain relevant I feel. I think JL showed part of the problem in that he's overpowered.

Dr Strange is pretty powerful too, although he doesn’t have durability. Thor did fine in Ragnarok recently though. I don’t think the power set is too important as there have been many stories in comics featuring these characters that would work well translated to film in the right hands.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

And Black Panther is pretty much invincible with his suit on.

 

[The Joker]

Yes I can, because it's a fact. Years ago Warner Bros. execs discussed the future of DC movies, and they declared that The Dark Knight Trilogy was a success because of how dark it was, therefore future DC movies would all be dark.

No, it's not a fact. What is a fact is the idiots at WB thought because a dark grim tone worked for Batman, then it works for all the DC characters. That's WB's fault for thinking such nonsense and applying it to Superman. Nobody else's.

 

[InCali]

No, it's not a fact. What is a fact is the idiots at WB thought because a dark grim tone worked for Batman, then it works for all the DC characters. That's WB's fault for thinking such nonsense and applying it to Superman. Nobody else's.

It also helps to have a really good director who understands the characters. Just sayin'.....

 

[titansupes]

Honestly, this is the kind of overthinking that leads to an SR, MOS, or BVS.

You know what Deadpool, Black Panther, and Dr. Strange have in common? Disney and Fox embraced what those characters actually are. Let Superman be Superman.

Dr Strange is pretty powerful too, although he doesn’t have durability. Thor did fine in Ragnarok recently though. I don’t think the power set is too important as there have been many stories in comics featuring these characters that would work well translated to film in the right hands.

This. There's nothing wrong with Superman's personality or powers. There's a lot wrong with the people in charge and the way they told their stories.

 

[Superchan]

I don't know. In an era where characters like Deadpool, Black Panther and Doctor Strange are becoming household names something drastic has to be done with Superman in order for him to remain relevant I feel. I think JL showed part of the problem in that he's overpowered.

That is the very faulty kind of thinking that gave us classics such as SR, BvS and MOS.The only drastic thing that needs to be done with superman is to actually stop trying to turn him into a mopey, emo, dialogue challenged bore like Singer and Snyder did and embrace the character's charismatic, optimistic nature, if and when WB does that and it still doesn't pay dividends then we start thinking about going drastic.

Deadpool is so powerful he actually breaks the fourth wall and talks to the audience and never once did I think that the character was in any kind of danger, Dr Strange actually controls time and cheats death and even BP -by far the weakest of the 3 mentioned- is basically Iron man with his suit on.
What those 3 have in common is that they all had widely acclaimed movies to boast about.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, Deadpool in XMO:W was even worse than any Superman we’ve ever had. Same character different execution. Execution is king.

 

[Kanon]

Superman just needs a story that has him doing more than just punching, lifting, or doing any kind of feat of strenght. It's ok if it has a big showdown with a powerful bad guy, but the story needs to be about something that can't be solved with punches. It's that, or depower him so he can't easily punch his way to success (kind of defeats the purpose of the character, but it's easier than writting a good story)

 

[Tra-El]

Superman just needs a story that has him doing more than just punching, lifting, or doing any kind of feat of strenght. It's ok if it has a big showdown with a powerful bad guy, but the story needs to be about something that can't be solved with punches. It's that, or depower him so he can't easily punch his way to success (kind of defeats the purpose of the character, but it's easier than writting a good story)

It's time to get Superman in a place where he solves things with his mind and more importantly, compassion. I never thought Man of Steel was "dark" as some people claim akin to Batman. I thought Snyder actually nailed the tone for a new age Superman film. But, banter that works for Superman was absent enough to realize that the character needs that interaction and an every day walk of normalcy with the people around him to keep him humbled, upbeat and emotional. We got some of that in MoS-JL. Just not even close to being enough when the object of world building was used when Batman was brought in. I still think the darker tone could and would have worked. Many things just shredded at the seams. I still want a grounded; more serious Superman in the right circumstances. Just really bring home the compassion of the character and let the audience in to some extraordinary loving moments that makes the character so enduring. Top it off with eye-candy visuals and Superman will be back in NO TIME.

 

[ultradog]

Sure, a Superman movie can make a billion dollars, if it's a masterpiece - or at least the sequel will with the momentum. But masterpieces don't come easy, and a very good Superman movie won't do very well. It's not that the Superman character is rejected, but the general audience is much more resistant to it than something/somebody new and different. They've already seen Superman umpteen times, and from what they've seen lately, they don't like him right now.

The risk/reward ratio is much better for other characters like Aquaman, Wonder Woman, etc, than Superman. Supes is just too much of an uphill battle for WB for the foreseeable future.

 

[Erzengel]

$1B movie =/= Masterpiece

See AOU and IM3.

I'd be happy with a $800M Superman as long as it was a top tier CBM.

 

[ultradog]

$1B movie =/= Masterpiece

See AOU and IM3.

I'd be happy with a $800M Superman as long as it was a top tier CBM.

Agreed. My point was that other IP's can make a billion a lot easier than Superman can right now.

 

[FunkMiller]

Honestly, this is the kind of overthinking that leads to an SR, MOS, or BVS.

You know what Deadpool, Black Panther, and Dr. Strange have in common? Disney and Fox embraced what those characters actually are. Let Superman be Superman.

In this day and age, in this political and social climate, with a corrupt fool in the White House, and a world permanently and seemingly teetering on the brink of some kind of disaster... a Superman movie with a Superman who embodies hope, truth, honour and a decent character makes a billion quicker than any other superhero.

 

[The Batman]

^This guy gets it.

It's how Superman: The Movie made a box office killing during the era of Watergate, Vietnam, and a cinema landscape full of morally gray protagonists.

 

[Jekecy]

Similarly, Raimi’s unabashedly bright and comic-booky universe thrived in a freshly post-9/11 world.

The notion that blockbuster entertainment has to reflect its uglier real-world counterpart, has always been mind bogglingly absurd. People ain’t churning out their hard earned money to feel as or more depressed about life.

 

[Limonade]

It's time to get Superman in a place where he solves things with his mind and more importantly, compassion. I never thought Man of Steel was "dark" as some people claim akin to Batman. I thought Snyder actually nailed the tone for a new age Superman film. But, banter that works for Superman was absent enough to realize that the character needs that interaction and an every day walk of normalcy with the people around him to keep him humbled, upbeat and emotional. We got some of that in MoS-JL. Just not even close to being enough when the object of world building was used when Batman was brought in. I still think the darker tone could and would have worked. Many things just shredded at the seams. I still want a grounded; more serious Superman in the right circumstances. Just really bring home the compassion of the character and let the audience in to some extraordinary loving moments that makes the character so enduring. Top it off with eye-candy visuals and Superman will be back in NO TIME.

Which is why some of us were saying, why get rid of Lois Lane, Clark Kent, and Superman dilemma?

I wouldn't mind if Lois Lane eventually got married to Clark Kent. But give us some of that comic book hide and seek/tongue in cheek game that was there before Lois Lane found out Clark and Supes were the same thing.

I mean Snyder got rid of a lot of the charm and hoped that the good looking people in those roles can help us get through the chemistry.

I mean Kent has a great cast of supporting character that fleshes out the Man in Superman. You tinker with that formula... you tinker with success.

 

[Flint Marko]

You guys just don't want your heroes to grow up

 

[Black Narcissus]

You guys just don't want your heroes to grow up

A proper balance would be nice.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

^This guy gets it.

It's how Superman: The Movie made a box office killing during the era of Watergate, Vietnam, and a cinema landscape full of morally gray protagonists.

 

[FunkMiller]

A proper balance would be nice.

No. Balance is ********. I want the characters I grew up with. I want the characters that have been selling comic books for decades. I want movies that are true to the comic. I want superhero movies to be about proper superheroes. Stop this idiotic and constant attempt to move comic book superheroes away from their accepted core traits and personalities. It. Doesn’t. Work.

This bizarre sense of shame everyone at WB seems to have about their DC characters needs to ****ing go away now. Marvel and Disney are proud of their characters. And it shows. WB are still stuck in the mentality of the 90s - comic book characters are dumb, for kids, and need changing to make them ‘serious’ and okay for the mainstream cinema universe. They need to be made gritty and dark and ‘cool’. Utterly ****ing stupid.

 

[Black Narcissus]

You can keep your childhood nostalgia, which is foreign to me. I prefer a balance. No, I do not believe we have gotten the proper balance yet in any of the recent films either.

 

[Iceman]

In this day and age, in this political and social climate, with a corrupt fool in the White House, and a world permanently and seemingly teetering on the brink of some kind of disaster... a Superman movie with a Superman who embodies hope, truth, honour and a decent character makes a billion quicker than any other superhero.

Good point. It’s the perfect time for a traditional Superman.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Good point. It’s the perfect time for a traditional Superman.

Just make the red panties a darker shade of red, man.