Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

[chintai80]

hey f*** mark millar and his opinion.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I feel like in 20 years there is gonna be a fascinating documentary about what the eff happened behind the scenes with this franchise.

Eh, I feel like Skwad sequel is one of the easiest to course correct.

 

[MbJ]

Eh, I feel like Skwad sequel is one of the easiest to course correct.

I was talking DCEU as a whole. But yeah Suicide Squad has some very easily identifiable problems that could be corrected in the sequel. Even Ayer said in hindsight someone like Enchantress was a bad idea to use as the villain.

 

[Tra-El]

Superman can't be a hero that fails or make moral compromises. I think it was Mark Waid who said something like "Superman is here to make possible what is impossible". To be "super" is his thing.

Disagree. It's this type of mindset that handcuffs the character to the point where creators won't touch him. Right and wrong isn't always black and white and neither should Superman's actions fall under that appalling microscope. Superman can and should make moral mistakes or fails at a task. The most important thing is that he makes things right after said failure's. Superman is the ultimate teacher of hope. Sometimes the most beautiful morals come from failure. It's not about failure. It's about the response to such a thing. Superman can live that reality.

 

[Superchan]

Suicide Squad was a bad movie, but at least it was a good time. You can go with your friends to the theather, watch the movie, and complain or laugh about how bad it was (you can like it too ). Superman in MoS and BvS was not a good time. At all. It is painful to watch him try to be something he can't be: a regular "believable" superhero.

Superman can't be a hero that fails or make moral compromises. I think it was Mark Waid who said something like "Superman is here to make possible what is impossible". To be "super" is his thing.

I love the "make possible out of the impossible" quote but I do think superman can fail and make moral compromises, but it's a fine line that one must carefully tread. What ever happened to the man of tomorrow, Red son, kingdom come and hitman #34 are all good examples of superman failing in some way but these stories were well written and had a silver lining of hope and levity, which Snyder's crap didn't have. At the end of the day it's all about the execution.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm still waiting on a HDTGM Suicide Squad podcast show.

That’d be fantastic but they’ll likely never do it considering their penchant for always picking 20+ year old movies. Closest they’ve got to touching the DCEU was a rant from Paul and (mostly) Jason about much they hated BvS.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

That’d be fantastic but they’ll likely never do it considering their penchant for always picking 20+ year old movies. Closest they’ve got to touching the DCEU was a rant from Paul and (mostly) Jason about much they hated BvS.

you got a working link to this shiz?

 

[Flint Marko]

you got a working link to this shiz?

I can't remember which episode it was on. I remember it was from a live show that came out sometime in the fall/winter of 2016. Jason told a story about how he saw it on a plane when he was white wine drunk and mass texting a group of friends about how much he hated it.

 

[Iceman]

I was talking DCEU as a whole. But yeah Suicide Squad has some very easily identifiable problems that could be corrected in the sequel. Even Ayer said in hindsight someone like Enchantress was a bad idea to use as the villain.

The next villain can't be as bad whatever they do. I just don't get why quite obvious stuff like this takes hindsight to figure out.

 

[Kanon]

Disagree. It's this type of mindset that handcuffs the character to the point where creators won't touch him. Right and wrong isn't always black and white and neither should Superman's actions fall under that appalling microscope. Superman can and should make moral mistakes or fails at a task. The most important thing is that he makes things right after said failure's. Superman is the ultimate teacher of hope. Sometimes the most beautiful morals come from failure. It's not about failure. It's about the response to such a thing. Superman can live that reality.

I love the "make possible out of the impossible" quote but I do think superman can fail and make moral compromises, but it's a fine line that one must carefully tread. What ever happened to the man of tomorrow, Red son, kingdom come and hitman #34 are all good examples of superman failing in some way but these stories were well written and had a silver lining of hope and levity, which Snyder's crap didn't have. At the end of the day it's all about the execution.

To clarify, I think that he can make mistakes and learn within the scope of the same story. What I meant about not failing is that he shouldn't be put in an impossible situation, and fail to resolve (like Zod putting him in a position to kill him or let him kill innocent people, and Supes not finding other way)

 

[Superchan]

To clarify, I think that he can make mistakes and learn within the scope of the same story. What I meant about not failing is that he shouldn't be put in an impossible situation, and fail to resolve (like Zod putting him in a position to kill him or let him kill innocent people, and Supes not finding other way)

But don't you see that makes him cool and relatable Seriously though I get what you mean and that's exactly what Grant Morrison did with superman in his Action run. When ever someone told Clark that something was impossible inorder to dissuade him, Clark simply smiled and became doubly motivated to do said something e.g. stopping the multitude attack from the 5th dimension.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

How could we know and Clark know killing is bad if he didnt kill?

 

[Superchan]

How could we know and Clark know killing is bad if he didnt kill?

Correct, we all have to kill at some point in our lives to know what it feels like and know not to do it again! Synder and Goyer are geniuses X2

 

[JOE]

I feel like in 20 years there is gonna be a fascinating documentary about what the eff happened behind the scenes with this franchise.

There needs to be one, it's crazy what's going on in the CBM world these days.

A character no one knew existed 3 years ago making over a billion and JL barley scraping in over 650M.

 

[Captain Marvel]

There needs to be one, it's crazy what's going on in the CBM world these days.

A character no one knew existed 3 years ago making over a billion and JL barley scraping in over 650M.

Yeah, right? Black Panther, a B-List character, has now made over $1 billion, while Justice League only made $657 million. And the budget for Black Panther was about $200 million while Justice League was about $300 million. And all those people claiming that DC characters are too corny and need to be made grittier? Well, Justice League made nowhere near as much money as a movie with remote-controlled rhinoceros's.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

JL wasn't gritty, just ****ty

 

[markjoedelonge]

Yeah, right? Black Panther, a B-List character, has now made over $1 billion, while Justice League only made $657 million. And the budget for Black Panther was about $200 million while Justice League was about $300 million. And all those people claiming that DC characters are too corny and need to be made grittier? Well, Justice League made nowhere near as much money as a movie with remote-controlled rhinoceros's.

They weren't remote-controlled....

 

[KalvinEllis]

If someone told me 10 years ago that a superhero movie making 650+ mil is a box-office bomb I would tell them they've lost their ****ing mind. Times in Hollywood sure have changed and not necessarily for the better.

 

[JOE]

If someone told me 10 years ago that a superhero movie making 650+ mil is a box-office bomb I would tell them they've lost their ****ing mind. Times in Hollywood sure have changed and not necessarily for the better.

It's a bomb when they have a 300M budget and their competition is making double that with lesser known characters and a smaller budget.

Anyone know the budget for Aquaman? Can't be cheap with all those special effects.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

if they lost money or broke even I would call it a flop

if they made 300-400 or less I would call it a bomb

idk if that makes sense

 

[MbJ]

If someone told me 10 years ago that a superhero movie making 650+ mil is a box-office bomb I would tell them they've lost their ****ing mind. Times in Hollywood sure have changed and not necessarily for the better.

Overspending has become a massive problem in the industry. There is no reason these movies need to be 300 million dollars.

 

[parkerpete]

That’d be fantastic but they’ll likely never do it considering their penchant for always picking 20+ year old movies. Closest they’ve got to touching the DCEU was a rant from Paul and (mostly) Jason about much they hated BvS.

At first I thought this was wrong... I KNEW they'd talked about BvS. Then I realized that I had it confused with The Flop House, which has in fact done a BvS episode.

 

[GreenKToo]

They go overboard with CG in just about every film now just because they can.
Some scenes would be better served using practical effects.
why would you want to film a close up of a hero flying using CG when wire work would look much better? laziness, pure and simple.

 

[Mandon Knight]

If someone told me 10 years ago that a superhero movie making 650+ mil is a box-office bomb I would tell them they've lost their ****ing mind. Times in Hollywood sure have changed and not necessarily for the better.

Sadly, it's just the level of expectation levelled at JL to do £1B+ or be regarded as 'failing', which is BS frankly.

 

[MbJ]

Sadly, it's just the level of expectation levelled at JL to do £1B+ or be regarded as 'failing', which is BS frankly.

I don't think that's necessarily BS. If the last two solo Batman movies were capable of bringing in over a billion each, there's no reason these films shouldn't have been able to do the same, given the historic nature of what was going on (the first meeting of Batman and Superman on the big screen; the debut of the Justice League).