Justice League Mortal Thread

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  1. Rorschach2012

    Rorschach2012 I'll Cancel the Pizzas

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    Your sig is silly. The people that think Mortal would've been good have actually read the script. They don't just think it would've been good just because Justice League 2017 was bad. I don't think anyone is saying that. People have read the script and made up their own minds about it. It's a better story than the movie we got on every level. I think the cast was even better. The only good performance in Justice League was Gadot. I think the casting was spot on for Martian Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, and Batman. It's frickin' George Miller. I think we need to have more faith in what that movie would've been.

    Also, the final costume for Batman hasn't even been revealed, so we can't really make judgments on that at this point. The other costumes look pretty awesome from the blurry photo that was leaked.
     
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    It's a shame Anton Yelchin is not with us anymore. I would've loved to see his take on the Flash or at least hear his input on JLM.
     
  3. Deck Rickard

    Deck Rickard Bright Lord

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    Yeah, and what about the casting of Superman, Wonder Woman and Maxwell Lord? A block of wood, an "actress" with barely any experience and a guy who can't play anything but a high strung nerd? Also, Hammer might be a good actor but I don't think he was "spot on" for Batman. This cast reeked of studio executives trying to cram a bunch of young teeny bopper types into multiple roles to make a buttload of cash. Now, not all of them were studio choices, since Miller got Hugh Keays-Byrne was in there and Common is a good actor. But a number of pivotal roles went to people that I simply don't believe could have pulled them off.

    Additionally, "it's George Miller" doesn't convince me when he's the guy who said that Superman is boring and had no problem casting a terrible actor in the role who doesn't even look the part. Hell, as bad as Routh was in Superman Returns, he at least resembled Superman to some degree. Everything about this movie--and I remember this distinctly because I followed the news as it was happening back then--just felt like another case of WB trying to slap something together quickly and cash in. I'm just glad Chris Nolan had enough clout at that point to put the kibosh on the whole thing.

    And yeah, it probably would have been better than JL. Big whoop. I'd also rather get punched in the face than curbstomped but I'd prefer to have neither one happened to me.
     
  4. BH/HHH

    BH/HHH You Are My World

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    While I don’t agree 100% with everything you said I do agree that those of us who thinks it would have been good made our minds up from what we know and the script we read. For me personally too I read this script years ago, not post JL.

    I also agree on the costumes mostly been awesome. I actually like what they were doing with Superman’s too. A change from the traditional but still in keeping.
     
  5. Rorschach2012

    Rorschach2012 I'll Cancel the Pizzas

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    Damn we don't agree at all. I think Cavill is a block of wood, and the worst Superman of the modern era. I rank Routh, Welling, and Hoechlin far above Cavill.

    All you have to criticize Mortal about is the casting. And that's honestly a huge question mark. We have no idea how any of them would've done. I trust Miller's judgment on the casting. Megan Gale looked dead on. Gadot hardly had any experience either mind you. I wasn't convinced after Fast and Furious, but she killed it!

    Basically, your sig is just silly. No one thinks that Mortal would’ve been good just because Justice League was bad. I'm saying is people that think Mortal would've been good have read and enjoyed the script. It would've been a genuinely good movie I think.

    Baruchel was a big question mark, but is it really any different from casting Kristen Wiig as Cheetah? No it's not. I stand by Miller, he saw something in this cast, I'm willing to give the director of Fury Road the benefit of the doubt.

    Also, Nolan didn't cancel the movie. It was the writer's strike.
     
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  6. Nemeres

    Nemeres Easy, miss. I've got you.

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    Flash's death scene really is beautiful. It's probably as inspired as the writers ever got. He realizes in the final battle that he needs to sacrifice himself, enters the Speed Force, uses the space between two seconds to visit Iris, who's at home watching the fight in the news, and there he says his goodbyes.

    "... I realized that I CAN save the whole world. So that's what I'm gonna do. Because you're in it."

    Then on his way out, watching the sunset.

    "My God. What a beautiful world."

    Don't care if you've read it before, it was worth the type. The script is an ok blueprint while still really flawed overall (Superman is a zero character in it, dialogue is often cringey, Talia is stupid)... but, ACH! So good.
     
  7. The Guard

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    Because...

    "Teeny bopper"? Which of the actors were preteens or very young teenagers?

    George Miller said that he cast young actors so they could grow into their roles over several films.

    They auditioned a lot of up and coming young actors and actresses, but I don't believe they were "teeny boppers". Most of the people up for roles by and large were not household names or especially popular at the time.

    At some point in the process you have to give the casting people credit for their own casting. They knew who they were casting and what they could do. It's fine to be skeptical, but to outright say "They couldn't have handled the role they were cast in"...we simply don't know that.

    I seriously doubt WB would have trusted a $220-$300 million movie and franchise to people who couldn't effectively portray the parts they're cast in. Nor do I believe George Miller would have done this.

    George Miller didn't write the script, so why does it matter whether he thinks Superman as a character is boring?

    Again, the casting department knows what the actors could do in the roles...we don't.

    Besides that, how doesn't Cotrona look the part, exactly? He's chisled and has the jawline. He's not as tall as Superman traditionally is, but the man is built, and sounds a lot like the character as he's generally portrayed if you listen to interviews or performances.

    DJ Cotrona very much resembles Superman to "some degree".

    The project was fast tracked, but there would have been a two year period in between the completion of the script and the film's release, which is similar to the script and production timeframe of several superhero films, notably BATMAN BEGINS.

    Nolan didn't put the kibosh on it...he was rumored to have expressed concerns about how it intersected with his franchise, but the writer's strike, and more importantly, the tax break situation in Australia put the kibosh on this film. The success of Dark Knight didn't hurt matters, but it was not as simple as Nolan simply putting an end to this project.
     
  8. Deck Rickard

    Deck Rickard Bright Lord

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    Fine, whatever. You guys can have this one. If you want to keep picking apart blurry concept art and bemoaning a movie that was never made for another 10 years, be my guests.
     
  9. Rorschach2012

    Rorschach2012 I'll Cancel the Pizzas

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    We have so much more than that. We have an entire script to base our opinions around. And the pics will keep coming I'm sure, and we'll have a better idea of what the movie would have looked like.

    I love discussing failed comic book movies. I think it's interesting. I hope the script for Batman Unchained/Triumphant is eventually released
     
  10. Deck Rickard

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    I’m not familiar with that one. What was it about?

    Anyway, yeah, maybe this might have been good. I haven’t read the script, though I’ve read things about it and while I didn’t like what I read, I’m sure it would have at least been better than the JL movie we did get.
     
  11. BH/HHH

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    I completely disagree on Cavill but that's neother he nor there. I know D J Cotrona hasn't exactly broken out since but who knows. Superman may have been a great out role for him. As far as looks go I think he definitely looks like Superman.

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    After seeing Baruchel in some other roles I think he would have done well with this too.

    It wasn't just the writers strike, it was the fact they lost a huge amount of defunding from the Aussie government due to there not been enough jobs created for Austrailians on the picture. It's possible that had that issue not been there the film may have gone ahead.
     
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    LOL. You pretty much described Cavill, Gadot and Eisenberg to a tee, with that description. :funny:
     
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  13. I Am The Knight

    I Am The Knight Tonight's a good night.

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    Oh snap :hehe:
     
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    2kt09 Snyder Rent-Free

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    Boom I got nothin'

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    Yikes.
     
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  16. Blackman

    Blackman C'mon Son

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    That isn't it, chief
     
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  17. I Am The Knight

    I Am The Knight Tonight's a good night.

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    They were definitely "experimenting" with Batman there...
     
  18. Rorschach2012

    Rorschach2012 I'll Cancel the Pizzas

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    I mean, if Batman was intended to be a male stripper...
     
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    I’d take Adam Wests’s suit over that monstrosity above. Eww.
     
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  21. Lencho01

    Lencho01 Shazoogle! Shazoogle!

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    Not fan. But, it makes me think of Batman Beyond.

    Doesn't really look like how I imagined it based on Hammer's description. That's concept art so can't really know at what stage it was made or how reflective on the final product it is. Although, it looks different enough from that one group pic that was taken. The Batsuit in that pic looked closer to the general idea of a Batsuit. Here's the group pic in case anyone forgot...



    Sidenote... I like how it's Bale's face in that cowl pic since at the time the writers seemed to go off the assumption that Bale would be Batman in this film.

    Flash is like the only one too look like he really popped off a comics page...



    I still feel the simplicity of superhero suits always show how great they are and the closer one is to that, the better it looks.
     
  22. Antonello Blueberry

    Antonello Blueberry Inglorious bastard

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    After a few years DJ Cotrona and Adam Brody ended in DC Universe in some way.
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  23. AndrewGilkison

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    Its kind of weird how young the casting choices were for this movie (because George Miller wanted the actors to grow into the roles) but yet the script has the heroes already an established team with long histories (we even have the Flash role change hands from Berry to Wally West). Its like the screenwriters and the director were on completely different pages regarding what they each wanted this movie to be.
     
  24. Rorschach2012

    Rorschach2012 I'll Cancel the Pizzas

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    I think he chose unknowns to save money for effects, locations, etc
     
  25. Willi Berg

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    I recently re-read George's interview with THR and it was kind of telling what he says about the casting:

    "Justice League was the main one. That was, oh, seven years ago, I think. And there was a really great script. And Warners said, "Let's do it. Let's do a Justice League." I really was attracted to it. But there was a writers strike looming. We had to cast it very quickly, which we did with Warners' casting people. And we cast it really quickly and we mounted it very quickly. And it depended on a start date and it depended on some basic rebate legislation that had just got through a new Australian government. But it was just too big a decision for them to make in the time. And that fell through and the whole film fell through. We almost got there. And it wasn't to be. But that happens a lot, where films line up and the stars look like they're aligning and they didn't."

    The casting did seem a bit strange at the time, they were young and most seemed inexperienced. I think George was just excited about the story and getting the movie made. Maybe he liked the idea of a youthful cast because it was a superhero movie and he just wanted to do his own thing. But this movie seemed to have a lot of factors that didn't quite gel for the movie to get made. The age thing wouldn't have bothered me if it worked overall. Batman did seem young, but I guess you could get away with superheroes like Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman being young since they are metahumans.

    This movie is interesting also because of the issue of the same character (i.e. Batman and Talia here and in Nolan's films) being played by two actors at the same time. We have the "Joker" movie now, but I think WB are still working out how to navigate stuff like Matt Reeves' Batman universe along with stuff like Birds of Prey, Gotham City Sirens etc. with characters like Catwoman and Batgirl. Separate continuities and different actors is still a big issue. It wasn't figured out at all back then.
     
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