Kinect and it's effects on the WORLD.

[KALEL114]

Right. That's look at the posts after yours.

Maybe i am exaggerating

On other news, Sony just said they are going to copy Microsoft, which i was positive it would happen.
What started by being a more precise "Wiimote", the Sony motion control is starting to be closer to Natal than the Wii.
Sony just announced that their new technology will face recognition (facial recognition software would "detect gender and even the age of the face, separate facial features such as the nose, eyes and ears, and even detect whether you’re smiling or not.), gesture recognition and, skeleton tracking.
Who else is going to bet that objects scanning will be a reality too?

I see a lawsuit coming out, or an all out war between Microsoft and Sony.

oh please. MS isnt going to be suing Sony for anything, especially since Natal is in many ways an advanced PS Eye (which suceeded their EyeToy), technology that Sony already has on the market and has been working on for years. You know, their motion capture based cameras with the microphone which was first demoed back in 1999. Really who's "copying" who?

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/07/16/so...ces-right-now/

Interacting with games without using a controller is apparently a really big deal. Microsoft's got its "Project Natal" thing and Sony has its magic motion wand. Oh, wait. That's technically a controller. That you hold. Fear not, as, during the Develop Conference going on right now in the UK, Sony has revealed that the existing PlayStation Eye camera can recognize you -- well, specifically your face -- and track your skeletal movement without getting all touchy-feely.

SCEE says that it already has libraries available for developers who want to integrate the technology into their games. Develop magazine's site quotes developer relations head, Kish Hirani, who divulged that the software was developed by SCEE R&D along with outside developers.

So, basically, according to them the already existing PSEye has this feature built in already. Which obviously implies that they've had this planned for quite some time. The PSEye was on the market well before even rumors of Natal existed.

Really, I think it's time to give the 'Sony copying Natal' angle a rest. Sony does it's fair share of copying in the market, but there's really no indication that this is one of them.

And this from the closed thread you started.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17081528&postcount=6

Bottom line, Sony did not copy Natal. You were not called a fanboy, but presented with facts.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Sure, ok, let´s wait and see how much Sony will use from Natal.
My call.... a lot, voice recognition and the ability to scan objects will soon follow i´m sure.

So, Sony said they already have that technology....ok, i´ll give you that.
The point is not that Natal is completly original, there was the EyeToy last gen, the point is to take something and enhance it, that´s what Microsoft is doing.
So, let´s go with that, with Sony saying that they already have it....so, you have two options here, and neither one is very flattering for Sony.

1 - Sony are a bunch of liars, they never had that all technology, they are just making it up, making a new camera (like some rumors state) and saying it´s old news.
2 - Sony are a bunch of morons and ******s, because they have that technology for years now, never used it, and were waiting for someone to announce it, which, in the end, falls in the same category as coping what the other guy is doing.

Choose one, and choose wisely...but Sony will look bad either way.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Yeah, i know that it´s not Kojima that is making it, but i don´t believe that he doesn´t have anything to do with MGS Rising, i believe he is on the production team.
If not, Kojima is nothing more than a sell out, if not, what the hell was he doing on the E3 Microsoft press conference announcing Rising?

Kojima is just a producer on MGS: Rising with only a small role in the development of the project, just like the Metal Gear Ac!d games and Metal Gear: Ghost Babel. He said that his involvement in the project is limited. And yeah, like what was previously said, he was on stage simply because he's the face of the Metal Gear franchise and Kojima Productions.

He's focusing almost all of his efforts on MGS: Peace Walker which is essentially the true MGS5 on the PSP.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

ok, but that´s what i said, Kojima is on the production team of Rising

 

[hippie_hunter]

Right. That's look at the posts after yours.







And this from the closed thread you started.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17081528&postcount=6

Bottom line, Sony did not copy Natal. You were not called a fanboy, but presented with facts.

To be fair, while Sony does have the technology to create a Natal experience using firmware updates, it does seem odd that they decided to go full on forward with it once Microsoft announced Natal.

And a lot of the Natal stuff that Sony is now doing came after Microsoft announced Natal like Sony filing for a patent for object motion detection just like Natal:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/05/sony-nabs-patent-for-everyday-object-motion-detection-the-fragi/

Or announcing that the PlayStation Eye will be getting facial recognition and skeletal movement after Microsoft announced Natal:
http://kotaku.com/5316484/playstation-camera-to-support-facial-recognition

Sure I'm excited to get this stuff as well as a PlayStation owner, but damn that sounds like blatant copying. Which is something Sony is rather notorious for.

 

[hippie_hunter]

ok, but that´s what i said, Kojima is on the production team of Rising

There's a difference between actual involvement and being credited with something. Hell Jon Peters was given a credit on Superman Returns but he sure as hell didn't do anything. Kojima was credited with Metal Gear Ac!d, but he did very little as well.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sure, ok, let´s wait and see how much Sony will use from Natal.
My call.... a lot, voice recognition and the ability to scan objects will soon follow i´m sure.

I think the PlayStation Eye actually had voice recognition before Natal was announced. Hence why it has the microphone array above the camera.

So, Sony said they already have that technology....ok, i´ll give you that.
The point is not that Natal is completly original, there was the EyeToy last gen, the point is to take something and enhance it, that´s what Microsoft is doing.
So, let´s go with that, with Sony saying that they already have it....so, you have two options here, and neither one is very flattering for Sony.

1 - Sony are a bunch of liars, they never had that all technology, they are just making it up, making a new camera (like some rumors state) and saying it´s old news.

They're not making a new camera, they're using firmware updates to turn the existing PlayStation Eye into a Natal-lite experience.

2 - Sony are a bunch of morons and ******s, because they have that technology for years now, never used it, and were waiting for someone to announce it, which, in the end, falls in the same category as coping what the other guy is doing.

Choose one, and choose wisely...but Sony will look bad either way.

That one I'll give you. To play Devil's Advocate, maybe they were planning to turn the PlayStation Eye into a Natal like device all along, but the timing sure doesn't make it look like that.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

That one I'll give you. To play Devil's Advocate, maybe they were planning to turn the PlayStation Eye into a Natal like device all along, but the timing sure doesn't make it look like that.

Exactly.
But why would Sony only talk about the wand as their new technology in the E3 presser?
It makes one wonder if they were really planning that, or they just think that after seeing the all word-of-mouth surrounding Natal.
Or was their idea all along was to be seen as copycats, that´s why they never talked about it?
Once again, are they morons or are they liars?
And let´s not forget Sony is known for make things up, like they did in 2000

In July 2000, a marketing executive working for Sony Corporation created a fictitious film critic, David Manning, who gave consistently good reviews for releases from Sony subsidiary Columbia Pictures, which generally received poor reviews amongst real critics.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3524759.stm

But the most stupid thing is, why create and announce "the wand", if, the moment it´s released, it´s already irrelevant.
In other words, they are the ones that are dismissing their own technology, it´s ridiculous.
That´s stupidity at it´s best.
More even when we still don´t know if Natal will work, because it can very well be the biggest pile of crap ever to grace video game history.

That what i like and respect in both Nintendo and Microsoft, they stick with what they believe, they stick with their vision.
And i´ll give you example of that, Ubisoft.
Ubisoft is making the Uplay program, where you get rewards from playing.
Microsoft has awards for some achievements (´Splosion Man, ODST), both services arrived 2 months apart, more or less.
Now, Sony, when they came out with the trophies, which are basically achivements with another name, they could very well enhance them, do something that MS missed, but no, they made the exact same thing that already existed, changing the name and gamerscore to levels, but that´s it.
And that´s to be totally clueless and unorignal, and that´s Sony.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Exactly.
But why would Sony only talk about the wand as their new technology in the E3 presser?
It makes one wonder if they were really planning that, or they just think that after seeing the all word-of-mouth surrounding Natal.
Or was their idea all along was to be seen as copycats, that´s why they never talked about it?
Once again, are they morons or are they liars?
And let´s not forget Sony is known for make things up, like they did in 2000



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3524759.stm

But the most stupid thing is, why create and announce "the wand", if, the moment it´s released, it´s already irrelevant.
In other words, they are the ones that are dismissing their own technology, it´s ridiculous.
That´s stupidity at it´s best.
More even when we still don´t know if Natal will work, because it can very well be the biggest pile of crap ever to grace video game history.

That what i like and respect in both Nintendo and Microsoft, they stick with what they believe, they stick with their vision.
And i´ll give you example of that, Ubisoft.
Ubisoft is making the Uplay program, where you get rewards from playing.
Microsoft has awards for some achievements (´Splosion Man, ODST), both services arrived 2 months apart, more or less.
Now, Sony, when they came out with the trophies, which are basically achivements with another name, they could very well enhance them, do something that MS missed, but no, they made the exact same thing that already existed, changing the name and gamerscore to levels, but that´s it.
And that´s to be totally clueless and unorignal, and that´s Sony.

I don't really see them making up the capabilities of the PlayStation Eye being turned into Natal when you actually have Sony developing patents for it and has already somewhat developed the technology through the Eye Toy and whatnot. And I don't see them dismissing the PlayStation Motion Controller, if anything, it's them making taking the Wii Remote and Project Natal and bringing it to one console. As a PlayStation owner, that's totally awesome, but as a person looking at it objectively, it's totally copying Microsoft and Nintendo.

 

[StrainedEyes]

And that´s to be totally clueless and unorignal, and that´s Sony.

Sony also likes to hastily release things before they are ready, just to stay even.

Sony is finally incorporating Netflix into the PS3, but it is a version behind Microsoft's (You have to use your computer to update the queue, MS doesn't need this anymore) and you need a disc to even use it. Eventually an update will eliminate the disc, but they jumped the gun to try and catch up.

Same thing with Facebook. MS took the time to incorporate it and have it work pretty well, for what it's worth. Sony like a week later released an update with Facebook but it's a completely gimped version which basically just makes status updates when you buy things off of the PSN.

Sony should spend the time to fix any problems the MS version has and then trump them when they release it instead of this constant game of catch up.

 

[KALEL114]

Edit: Never mind. One ticket for the high road please.

 

[Havok83]

Same thing with Facebook. MS took the time to incorporate it and have it work pretty well, for what it's worth. Sony like a week later released an update with Facebook but it's a completely gimped version which basically just makes status updates when you buy things off of the PSN.

its a moot point anyway, considering Facebook, in its full capacity, has been accessible on the PS3 since day 1. Its the main reasion I didnt think this update was all that signifcant

 

[hippie_hunter]

Sony also likes to hastily release things before they are ready, just to stay even.

Sony is finally incorporating Netflix into the PS3, but it is a version behind Microsoft's (You have to use your computer to update the queue, MS doesn't need this anymore) and you need a disc to even use it. Eventually an update will eliminate the disc, but they jumped the gun to try and catch up.

Same thing with Facebook. MS took the time to incorporate it and have it work pretty well, for what it's worth. Sony like a week later released an update with Facebook but it's a completely gimped version which basically just makes status updates when you buy things off of the PSN.

Sony should spend the time to fix any problems the MS version has and then trump them when they release it instead of this constant game of catch up.

Considering that you can log on to the actual Facebook on the PS3, I really wouldn't consider it to be a gimped version. Although I do think that they should have had a Facebook app that takes you straight to Facebook. I think they should do the same with YouTube and Twitter.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Edit: Never mind. One ticket for the high road please.

This is not the "Kicking Sony in the groin" game, we are just stating facts, so, if you have anything to say, please do.

I don´t like Sony, i never hided that from anyone, not because i like MS or Nintendo, but because of the things stated above.
Before going further let me say that i´m talking about the gaming department, not the company as an all, i have nothing against the movies, TV, and whatnot, i don´t even have anything against the PS3 and PSP, my problem is with the people behind it.

For two years in a row, Sony was the big kahuna, they sold tons of consoles, and they didn´t learned anything fricking thing.
Not to dismiss Sony for those two years, they were very important for the state of the industry, but to debunk the reason why it was so; Sony did it because they NEVER HAD ANY DIRECT COMPETITION during those two years.
Nintendo was never a direct competition to Sony (they still aren´t), and Sega was slowly dying since the end of the 16 bit era.
Last generation was the same stuff; Sega died as a console manufacture, Nintendo had their own audience and MS came too late in the game, was a newcomer, and was basically unknown outside the US (but even so, they took second place, which was an amazing victory from MS).
This generation they have, for the first time, a direct competitor in the likes of the 360, and they are totally clueless.
Nintendo continues to do their thing without looking to the other two companies; MS continues to do their thing, look around to their competiors from time to time and uses what they think works but enhances it; Sony bluntly copies everyone left and right without knowing exactly what they are doing...it´s sad really.
Sony is the king of delusional, saying crap like:

“The idea of a handheld rivalry with Nintendo is an irrelevance. Those formats don't appear in our planning. It's not a fair comparison; not fair on them, I should stress. That sounds arrogant, maybe, but it's the truth. With the DS , it's fair to say that Nintendo stepped out of the technical race and went for a feature differentiation with the touch screen. But I fear that it won't have a lasting impact beyond that of a gimmick - so the long-lasting appeal of the platform is at peril as a direct result of that."
- Phil Harrison, president of Sony Worldwide Studios, on comparing PSP to DS in an interview with MCV

"It’s probably too cheap…"
– Ken Kutaragi, Regarding the $499 to $599 price point

"The name of the game is not market share, it’s how fast we (Sony) can grow the industry."
– Ken Kutaragi, regarding competition from Microsoft and Nintendo

"If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes, I'll give you 1200 bucks for it."
- Jack Tretton, Sony Computer Entertainment America president and CEO

"Microsoft does not concern us. Microsoft is not a technology company."
- Nobuyuki Idei, Sony chief corporate adviser in an interview with BBC NEWS

"We're certainly not interested in Gimmicks."
- Kaz Hirai0 E32k6, right before showing off Eye of Judgement.

"Microsoft shoots for the moon. Sony shoots for the sun"
- Ken Kutaragi, regarding competition from Microsoft

"This time, Microsoft has stated clearly that it is going after Playstation, but the Playstation 2. They were looking at 2 and that´s why Xbox 360 became like that"
- Ken Kutaragi, regarding Microsoft

but the best of all, the very best

“Microsoft owns the office; Sony owns the living room; and Wii owns the closet.”
- Jack Tretton, regarding both MS and Nintendo, and that quote was made back in Apr 2009
In other words, MS is only good for the PC and Windows, Sony has the best console around, and Nintendo sucks ass......un-friking-believable

I can´t say anymore, Sony is a pathetic little company, so afraid of the competition and of themselves that they need to say crap on a daily basis so they can be less afraid.
You can say that MS also say alot of crap, and they do, but no one beats Sony in the most studid quote game.
The only thing Sony has going for them is the blu-ray and the first party games, and the last one is the only reason i´m going to get one next year when God of War 3 comes out (and i still want to play Uncharted, Resistance and Ratchet).
In fact, the only weapon they have is the power card because of the blu-ray, with all of fancy looking games, but, if tomorrow MS gets a blu-ray drive, Sony is fu**ed.

 

[hippie_hunter]

This is not the "Kicking Sony in the groin" game, we are just stating facts, so, if you have anything to say, please do.

I don´t like Sony, i never hided that from anyone, not because i like MS or Nintendo, but because of the things stated above.
Before going further let me say that i´m talking about the gaming department, not the company as an all, i have nothing against the movies, TV, and whatnot, i don´t even have anything against the PS3 and PSP, my problem is with the people behind it.

For two years in a row, Sony was the big kahuna, they sold tons of consoles, and they didn´t learned anything fricking thing.
Not to dismiss Sony for those two years, they were very important for the state of the industry, but to debunk the reason why it was so; Sony did it because they NEVER HAD ANY DIRECT COMPETITION during those two years.
Nintendo was never a direct competition to Sony (they still aren´t), and Sega was slowly dying since the end of the 16 bit era.
Last generation was the same stuff; Sega died as a console manufacture, Nintendo had their own audience and MS came too late in the game, was a newcomer, and was basically unknown outside the US (but even so, they took second place, which was an amazing victory from MS).
This generation they have, for the first time, a direct competitor in the likes of the 360, and they are totally clueless.
Nintendo continues to do their thing without looking to the other two companies; MS continues to do their thing, look around to their competiors from time to time and uses what they think works but enhances it; Sony bluntly copies everyone left and right without knowing exactly what they are doing...it´s sad really.
Sony is the king of delusional, saying crap like:



I can´t say anymore, Sony is a pathetic little company, so afraid of the competition and of themselves that they need to say crap on a daily basis so they can be less afraid.
You can say that MS also say alot of crap, and they do, but no one beats Sony in the most studid quote game.

The Sony of today really isn't the Sony of even a year ago. The massive underperformance of the PS3 really humbled them down. Deservedly so.

To tell you the truth, I've been finding Microsoft lately to be the more cocky and arrogant one. For no real reason either since they (along with Sony) are getting beaten massively by Nintendo, are a complete failure in Japan, has fallen to last place in Europe (despite Microsoft's claims that they are 1 million ahead of Sony), and are likely to fall into last place in sales (although Sony is just as likely to remain in last place, it all depends on how Sony performs in North America from here on out), kinda going against their business model of trying to be #1 next generation (if the PS3 passes the 360, going from second to last really doesn't look good).

And honestly, Microsoft really does the same kind of crap as well.

The only thing Sony has going for them is the blu-ray and the first party games, and the last one is the only reason i´m going to get one last year when God of War 3 comes out (and i still want to play Uncharted, Resistance and Ratchet).

To be fair isn't the only thing going for Microsoft the first party games as well. Considering that like almost every third party game is multiplatform and the PlayStation 3 is the lead development console for games (mostly due to the fact that it's easier and cheaper to port from PS3 to 360/PC than 360/PC to PS3) meaning that the PS3 doesn't have the crappy version any more.

In fact, the only weapon they have is the power card because of the blu-ray, with all of fancy looking games, but, if tomorrow MS gets a blu-ray drive, Sony is fu**ed.

I have to disagree with that. The PlayStation brand is still a much bigger brand than that of the Xbox one. Ever since the introduction of the PS3 Slim (and a much better and non-******ed advertisement campaign), the PS3 has been outselling the 360 by an average of 100,000 in North America and even beating the Wii in Japan.

Really, it just goes to show that the only problem with the PS3 in the eyes of the consumer was the absurdly high price point in comparison to much cheaper, and just as good, alternatives. I do think that we'll be seeing the 360 in 3rd place in sales for the most part from now on because the PS3 is now at a price point that is not a total rip-off.

 

[Flash Facts]

Umm correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it impossible for the current EyeToy to duplicate everything that Natal (supposedly) does? From what I can recall Natal has an infared camera which helps track movement and depth and Sony's camera does not which is why their "wand" needs to have a giant glowing ball on the end.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Sony is finally incorporating Netflix into the PS3, but it is a version behind Microsoft's (You have to use your computer to update the queue, MS doesn't need this anymore) and you need a disc to even use it. Eventually an update will eliminate the disc, but they jumped the gun to try and catch up.

No, you don't. I add and remove things from my instant queue straight from the PS3

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I don´t know who is ahead in Europe, but don´t read too much on it.
I already read rumors that say that MS is lying and they are 3rd place in Europe, but, like the name say, those are just rumors, the only facts we have are the numbers in both NPD and VGChartz and both claim that the 360 is still ahead.
The difference is minimal, only 0.46 million, but still...and even when MS claimed they were 1 million ahead, that was back in September, and, going by the numbers, they were right.

Besides, i don´t see the 360 losing second place anytime soon.
People are reading too much on the all "the PS3 slim is selling like hot cakes".
The Slim is only 2 months old (almost 3)....give it time, let´s talk again in 6 or 7 months.
Sure, the Playstation brand is still gigantic in comparison to the Xbox, that´s a given, that´s why i said, back in 2007/2008, that i wouldnt´be surprised if the PS3 ends on second place when all it´s set and done, and i still believe it can very well happen, but let´s wait first before opening the bottles of champagne.

MS will never get the Japanese market, that´s a given, unless Natal is the biggest thing ever made and the Japanese love it to death.
Why would Japan buy a US console when they have to two great national ones? More even when they are not big on Western games?
Sony might very well still get the US maket, but i don´t count on it, the Americans love their 360 and the diference between both consoles in that maket is almost 9 million (19.24 million against 10.32 to be exact)
That leaves Europe, which, in their majority is still Sonyland, which makes the "fact" that the 360 is ahead there an epic sucess.
Still, the diference between the 360 and the PS3 overrall is still 6.69 million, which is still way more than in Japan which is only 2.7 million (the Wii is kicking both with 8.75 million units sold).
And i know that a lot of countries in Europe don´t look twice at the 360.

Besides, once again, if you look at the numbers, the PS3 Slim is losing steam, it´s selling less and less each week and the diference with the 360 is becaming minimal once again.
In the week of the release of the Slim, the PS3 sold a hell lot (594,026 K), against 148,483 K from the 360, which was expected.
Exaclty one month later, the PS3 sold 246.319 K against 153.886.
In the first week this month the Sony sold 285.067 against 263.921.
And they are being outsold by the 360 every other week in the US.
And that´s just less than 2 months after the release of the Slim.

Lastly, and this one i find really stupid from the people buying the Sony console, people buy the PS3, but they don´t buy the games.
Once again, if you look at the numbers, 90% of the games sell more on the 360, hell, even the MW2 sold a lot more on the 360 and that came out in the mist of the PS3 Slim frenzy.
Even the exclusives don´t sell a lot when compared to the exclusives on the 360.
So, if people don´t buy the games, why do they buy the PS3?
My call, a lot of them buy it for the blu-ray alone.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Oh yay, it's the IH bashing Sony game. I knew that one would get remade down the road

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Oh yay, it's the IH bashing Sony game. I knew that one would get remade down the road

You´re reading comprehension is not the best, now is it?
But that´s alright, now you run along and go play with the other kids.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Now, back to project Natal, which is the reason of this thread.

One thing that no one talks about, and i believe will be a huge selling point of the peripheral, is that it will allow 3D/VR gaming for all games, new and old, because that technology will be on Natal, not on the games.
Contrary to Sony which is going to release a firmware in 2010 that will allow 3D (correct me if i´m wrong, but from what i could gather, you will new a 3D TV too, right?), Natal will allow it from the get go, without glasses, in any TV.
There is nothing that point that i´m right, but, in my understanding, it´s almost a certainty.
Why?
Because of one name, Johnny Chung Lee.

Johnny Lee is a frincking genious.
The man has a PhD in Human-Computer interaction, the man brought the Wii projects

Tracking Your Fingers with the Wiimote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0awjPUkBXOU&feature=player_embedded

Low-Cost Multi-point Interactive Whiteboards Using the Wiimote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ&feature=player_embedded#

Head Tracking for Desktop VR Displays using the Wii Remote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw&feature=player_embedded

we can only imagine what he will bring to Natal, as he was hired as researcher in Microsoft to work on project Natal.
But one thing is certain, he was hired because of his know how in motion control and head tracking, so, i´m positive that MS will use in on Natal and that, what we have seen so far is just the tip of the icerberg.
This is what he had to say about it last June

If you've been wondering why my project blog has been pretty quiet, I can finally say it is because I have been helping Xbox with Project Natal. If you haven't seen the vision video, it is definitely worth checking out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0&feature=player_embedded
Now, I should preface by saying I don't deserve credit for anything that you saw at E3. A large team of very smart, very hard working people were involved in building the demos you saw on stage. The part I am working on has much more to do with making sure this can transition from the E3 stage to your living room - for which there is an even larger team of very smart, very hard working people involved. The other thing I should say is that I can't really reveal any details that haven't already been made public. Unfortunately.

Speaking as someone who has been working in interface and sensing technology for nearly 10 years, this is an astonishing combination of hardware and software. The few times I’ve been able to show researchers the underlying components, their jaws drop with amazement... and with good reason.

The 3D sensor itself is a pretty incredible piece of equipment providing detailed 3D information about the environment similar to very expensive laser range finding systems but at a tiny fraction of the cost. Depth cameras provide you with a point cloud of the surface of objects that is fairly insensitive to various lighting conditions allowing you to do things that are simply impossible with a normal camera.
But once you have the 3D information, you then have to interpret that cloud of points as "people". This is where the researcher jaws stay dropped. The human tracking algorithms that the teams have developed are well ahead of the state of the art in computer vision in this domain. The sophistication and performance of the algorithms rival or exceed anything that I've seen in academic research, never mind a consumer product. At times, working on this project has felt like a miniature “Manhattan project” with developers and researchers from around the world coming together to make this happen.

We would all love to one day have our own personal holodeck. This is a pretty measurable step in that direction.

Xbox and Microsoft deserve an enormous amount of credit for taking on such an ambitious project. It’s one thing to say “Wouldn’t it be cool if…”, but it’s another thing entirely to say, “let’s dedicate the resources to really make it happen inventing whatever needs to be invented along the way.” I have to say it's pretty neat building the future.

 

[Tron Bonne]

You´re reading comprehension is not the best, now is it?
But that´s alright, now you run along and go play with the other kids.

You're reading comprehension must be even worse since you apparently don't even know how to read what you're typing But then again, of course you do. Just the same old nonsense you've been touting since I've seen you post here. It's flat out incredible that someone can be put down on two separate occasions and still stand behind their bogus claim.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Let me explain something to you (something i just know that you will forget in 5 minutes), to bash something is to say crap for the hell of it without giving any valid reasons to it, and that´s not the case (hence the all lacking of reading comprehension).
Besides, if you actually read some posts besides my owns, you will see i´m not the only one thinking the same way.
I´m calling Sony unoriginal and copycats, and i´m giving facts to it, and if you don´t agree with it fine, but don´t say i´m bashing them.
I don´t like Sony (gaming department), everyone in this boards know that, but i have nothing against the PS3 as a console and it´s games, that´s why it´s easier for me to find their flaws, not because i´m a MS fanboy like you said couple of times (but you can continue to do so if it rocks your boat, for i don´t care).
So, what´s your excuse?
And don´t say that you always defend Sony when i "bash" them because you are an altruistic man that likes to defend the "little people".

 

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Always funny seeing getting so worked up over comments about a company that no one on here owns

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don´t know who is ahead in Europe, but don´t read too much on it.
I already read rumors that say that MS is lying and they are 3rd place in Europe, but, like the name say, those are just rumors, the only facts we have are the numbers in both NPD and VGChartz and both claim that the 360 is still ahead.
The difference is minimal, only 0.46 million, but still...and even when MS claimed they were 1 million ahead, that was back in September, and, going by the numbers, they were right.

Sony reached 10 million back in August while Microsoft reached 10 million in November while claiming that they were 1 million ahead of Sony.

Besides, i don´t see the 360 losing second place anytime soon.
People are reading too much on the all "the PS3 slim is selling like hot cakes".
The Slim is only 2 months old (almost 3)....give it time, let´s talk again in 6 or 7 months.
Sure, the Playstation brand is still gigantic in comparison to the Xbox, that´s a given, that´s why i said, back in 2007/2008, that i wouldnt´be surprised if the PS3 ends on second place when all it´s set and done, and i still believe it can very well happen, but let´s wait first before opening the bottles of champagne.

I do agree that it won't happen anytime soon. I would expect it to sometime in late 2011/2012 if Sony continues to perform strongly in Japan and Europe and being serious competition in North America.

MS will never get the Japanese market, that´s a given, unless Natal is the biggest thing ever made and the Japanese love it to death.
Why would Japan buy a US console when they have to two great national ones? More even when they are not big on Western games?
Sony might very well still get the US maket, but i don´t count on it, the Americans love their 360 and the diference between both consoles in that maket is almost 9 million (19.24 million against 10.32 to be exact)
That leaves Europe, which, in their majority is still Sonyland, which makes the "fact" that the 360 is ahead there an epic sucess.
Still, the diference between the 360 and the PS3 overrall is still 6.69 million, which is still way more than in Japan which is only 2.7 million (the Wii is kicking both with 8.75 million units sold).
And i know that a lot of countries in Europe don´t look twice at the 360.

Like I said before in the past, Microsoft just needs to give up on Japan and focus on Europe which is starting to show interest in the brand and North America, their base.

Besides, once again, if you look at the numbers, the PS3 Slim is losing steam, it´s selling less and less each week and the diference with the 360 is becaming minimal once again.
In the week of the release of the Slim, the PS3 sold a hell lot (594,026 K), against 148,483 K from the 360, which was expected.
Exaclty one month later, the PS3 sold 246.319 K against 153.886.
In the first week this month the Sony sold 285.067 against 263.921.
And they are being outsold by the 360 every other week in the US.
And that´s just less than 2 months after the release of the Slim.

I'm very curious to see the November numbers once this month is done.

Lastly, and this one i find really stupid from the people buying the Sony console, people buy the PS3, but they don´t buy the games.
Once again, if you look at the numbers, 90% of the games sell more on the 360, hell, even the MW2 sold a lot more on the 360 and that came out in the mist of the PS3 Slim frenzy.
Even the exclusives don´t sell a lot when compared to the exclusives on the 360.
So, if people don´t buy the games, why do they buy the PS3?
My call, a lot of them buy it for the blu-ray alone.

You really can't blame them, the PS3 is one of the best blu-ray players on the market.

And it also depends on the genre of games. FPS games like Modern Warfare 2 sell much better on the 360 because in my opinion, the 360 is the better console for FPS games and it's the must have console for FPS fans. But if you take a look at fighting games like Tekken 6 and Street Fighter IV, the PS3 version sells better because the PS3 is the better console for fighting games. And RPGs like Tales of Vesperia and Star Ocean: The Last Hope sell better on the PS3 because the fanbases of those games played the previous entries on PlayStation consoles.