Kingdom Come written by Mark Waid and painted by Alex Ross.

[Spike_x1]

Glad to see another fan.

 

[Elijya]

oh , hell yeah, I was 11 years old and reading those. Mask Returns was the ****


hehe, just realize the grin smiley reminds me of Ol' Bighead

 

[Anubis]

Man those are some healty teeth.

 

[Spike_x1]

I just got the TPB of the first arc because my old individual issues that my dad passed down to me were all torn up and in utterly crappy conditions. They were actually pretty well maintained when I first got them, so their poor treatment is my fault, what with my being just a youngin' when I acquired them. I forgot how rich the colors once were too.

The Mask Returns really amped up the story of Big-Head, and The Mask Strikes Back was really good for thinking about "what would I do if I had the Mask?" Then you see what it did to those poor guys, and you realize that you don't want the damn thing.

Man, I love Walter and Kellaway.

 

[Elijya]

did you ever read the Walter miniseries?

 

[STC]

Anyone have this pic in high res 1280x1028?

 

[Bullseye]

Gladly, I finally read Kingdom Come not to long ago.

I firmly believe that Mark Waid did not write Kingdom Come. Waid hasn't come close to anything even remotely good and Kingdom Come is one of the best Elseworlds stories ever told.

I have to believe that Ross is the one with the brillaint idea of Kingdom Come... it just doesn't add up that Waid could write something this good.

 

[Harlekin]

What have you read by Waid? Have you read his Fantastic Four? His latest Legion of Superheroes? Not even remotely good? The man writes solid work. Besides that, every writer has his/her peak anyway.

 

[Darthphere]

Gladly, I finally read Kingdom Come not to long ago.

I firmly believe that Mark Waid did not write Kingdom Come. Waid hasn't come close to anything even remotely good and Kingdom Come is one of the best Elseworlds stories ever told.

I have to believe that Ross is the one with the brillaint idea of Kingdom Come... it just doesn't add up that Waid could write something this good.

 

[Spike_x1]

did you ever read the Walter miniseries?

I've looked for it in shops, but I could never find it. I plan on ordering it over the internet when I can get enough $ into my account.

 

[Elijya]

it's probably the best Mask series after Strikes Back, even though Big Head isn't even in it

 

[incubat]

i just read kingdom come today, and i loved it...i mean....it was deep, and i just couldn't stop laughing at the restaurant, and did anyone else notice that ww ordered water, bruce coffee and kal milk...it just seemed so apropiated.
overall, it's definitely worth reading

 

[Assassin]

Gladly, I finally read Kingdom Come not to long ago.

I firmly believe that Mark Waid did not write Kingdom Come. Waid hasn't come close to anything even remotely good and Kingdom Come is one of the best Elseworlds stories ever told.

I have to believe that Ross is the one with the brillaint idea of Kingdom Come... it just doesn't add up that Waid could write something this good.

wasnt the concept by ross? and waid just did the for lack of a better word "screenplay" ?

 

[Lorendiac]

By coincidence, yesterday I reacted to someone else's comments about Kingdom Come on another forum. His basic argument appeared to be that Kingdom Come was long-winded and pretentious because Alex Ross was bound and determined to show us, at great length, that "classic" superhero concepts were much better than 1990s Image-style "superheroes."

That was his attitude. Mine was a bit different. Here's what I said:

*****

Of course, the ironic thing here was that, from where I stood when I bought the miniseries as it came out, the plot of Kingdom Come seemed to "prove" that Alex Ross saw "classic" old-fashioned superhero Superman as "Mister Crybaby, the Clueless Quitter."

How did the backstory go? Magog killed the Joker. Magog stood trial for this. A jury of his peers ruled that it was a justifiable act of violence, all things considered. Superman was so heartbroken at hearing that one single court decision had made what he judged to be a mistake that he threw a childish super-tantrum and flew off into oblivion for the next several years, rather than lift a finger to help anyone the next time any Global Catastrophe was threatening to wipe out zillions of people.

Sometimes I hear about cases in the criminal justice system that were not resolved the way I think they should have been resolved, but I don't dump all my responsibilities and run off to be a hermit in a cave because of it. (Does this prove I'm a better person than Superman?)

Eventually Superman gets the word that Kansas has just been nuked. "Gosh!" he says. "Even though I had single-handedly prevented such things from happening a thousand times before, it never occurred to me that when I quit being Superman for awhile, this might happen due to my absence!"

So we've established that he's a Crybaby, a Quitter, and Utterly Clueless about the probable consequences of his own absence from the scene for an extended period.

Eventually Superman decides to resume an active role in the world, and clean up the huge mess that the younger generations of heroes and villains have made of things, as he sees it. (Of course, if he had stuck around to provide an example to the younger heroes, and share the benefit of his greater experience with them, there might not be such a huge mess needing to be cleaned up in the first place.)

And Alex Ross's "epic" was supposed to persuade me that Superman was inherently better than those courageous young whippersnappers who, during Kal-El's nice long sulk -- "Go away! Somebody hurt my feelings and I refuse to come out of my room!" -- had actually been risking their necks on a daily basis as they tried to maintain some degree of law and order to keep the lid on the supervillain population? If that was Ross's intention, then he did a fantastic job of shooting himself in the foot!

 

[incubat]

interesting point of view, but i still think kc is pretty awesome, maybe it's because i like to see what could happen in some distant future

 

[Tropico]

By coincidence, yesterday I reacted to someone else's comments about Kingdom Come on another forum. His basic argument appeared to be that Kingdom Come was long-winded and pretentious because Alex Ross was bound and determined to show us, at great length, that "classic" superhero concepts were much better than 1990s Image-style "superheroes."

That was his attitude. Mine was a bit different. Here's what I said:

*****

Of course, the ironic thing here was that, from where I stood when I bought the miniseries as it came out, the plot of Kingdom Come seemed to "prove" that Alex Ross saw "classic" old-fashioned superhero Superman as "Mister Crybaby, the Clueless Quitter."

How did the backstory go? Magog killed the Joker. Magog stood trial for this. A jury of his peers ruled that it was a justifiable act of violence, all things considered. Superman was so heartbroken at hearing that one single court decision had made what he judged to be a mistake that he threw a childish super-tantrum and flew off into oblivion for the next several years, rather than lift a finger to help anyone the next time any Global Catastrophe was threatening to wipe out zillions of people.

Sometimes I hear about cases in the criminal justice system that were not resolved the way I think they should have been resolved, but I don't dump all my responsibilities and run off to be a hermit in a cave because of it. (Does this prove I'm a better person than Superman?)

Eventually Superman gets the word that Kansas has just been nuked. "Gosh!" he says. "Even though I had single-handedly prevented such things from happening a thousand times before, it never occurred to me that when I quit being Superman for awhile, this might happen due to my absence!"

So we've established that he's a Crybaby, a Quitter, and Utterly Clueless about the probable consequences of his own absence from the scene for an extended period.

Eventually Superman decides to resume an active role in the world, and clean up the huge mess that the younger generations of heroes and villains have made of things, as he sees it. (Of course, if he had stuck around to provide an example to the younger heroes, and share the benefit of his greater experience with them, there might not be such a huge mess needing to be cleaned up in the first place.)

And Alex Ross's "epic" was supposed to persuade me that Superman was inherently better than those courageous young whippersnappers who, during Kal-El's nice long sulk -- "Go away! Somebody hurt my feelings and I refuse to come out of my room!" -- had actually been risking their necks on a daily basis as they tried to maintain some degree of law and order to keep the lid on the supervillain population? If that was Ross's intention, then he did a fantastic job of shooting himself in the foot!

You simplified some points so they could fit your view, but I get your opinion. I disagree completely, but I can see how you would see it that way.

 

[Ben Urich]

Mark Waid is one of the best talents in comics.

 

[Ben Urich]

Mark Waid is one of the best talents in comics.

 

[Ben Urich]

How the hell did that happen?

 

[Darthphere]

Witchcraft.

 

[Lorendiac]

You simplified some points so they could fit your view, but I get your opinion. I disagree completely, but I can see how you would see it that way.

Well, I also had a handicap: I haven't actually reread the silly thing in about two years, so I was "winging it" from memory. And I definitely do not have a perfect memory. There may be some very relevant details hidden within those pages that might alter my interpretation if they were called to my attention

 

[Speedball]

Ok, I found one problem with the story.
Power Woman dies in the Nuclear Blast.
Now I know Ross and Waid did not know her origin, but still.
She is Supergirl, but from another universe, so she would have the same exact powers as Superman.

 

[The Question]

yeah, that's probably more accurate



I really feel I've matured alot in my comics taste, and while I still love superheroes, I realize they're juvenile. That's what superheroes are, they're juvenile power fantasies. And hey, stories about power fantasies can be ALOT of fun! But I would never call one the "best" overall of anything.

I think superheroes can be juvinile, but aren't inherently so. Of course, that kind of depends on your definition of superhero. If you have the more classic definition, then yes, they are rather juvinile unless you take the hardcore vigilante aproach like DKR or Punisher. However, my definition is a little more broad. It's basically, any character who is the protagonist of the story and has super powers.

 

[Elijya]

so is Jesse Custer a superhero? is Sandman? John Constantine? Harry Potter?

 

[The Question]

I suppose. Like I said, I have a kind of broad definition of the term Though, I might not cound Dream since he's not exactly heroic. More often, he's rather indifferent. Most cosmic entities tend to be.