Last generation: Ps3, 360, Wii - who won?

[Destructus86]

It's all a matter of opinion.

I owned both the 360 and the PS3 and rarely even turned on my 360...I felt the PS3 exclusives were vastly better.

 

[Spider-Who?]

If we're (for some reason) ignoring sales (Wii), better exclusives (PS3), better hardware (PS3), larger online community (360), and only looking JUST at influence, I would say that the PS3 wins hands down if only for one reason: Bluray discs. The PS3, helped Sony establish the Bluray disc as THE format for HD video and gaming content, wiping the floor with Microsoft's HDDVD. With the capabilities of Bluray, we've seen a massive increase in the amount (and quality) of content we can enjoy that spans far more than simply video games.

 

[Tron Bonne]

HD-DVD was a creation of Toshiba, not Microsoft. Had the development of the 360 and HD-DVD coincided closer to one another and HD-DVD would've been MS's format of choice over DVD, that would've been pretty interesting to see.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I guess that would have made the Xbox 360 as expensive as the PS3, if not more so.

Even the 20 GB PS3 cost Sony 800 USD a pop in 2006 money. Which is about 900 USD now.

The Xbox 360 only cost Microsoft about 300 a pop (again, in '06 money).

A good HD DVD player would set you back about 600 dollars in 2006.

If you're wondering how I know that... guess what I have in my closet, next to my laserdisc player!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The Xbox definitely wasn't a failure. But the fact that Nintendo had less sales than Microsoft, a total newcomer to the business with a bunch of untested games, was pretty damn bad. Meanwhile Sony was burying everyone alive because of one little acronym. DVD.

Again, Nintendo's refusal to adopt mainstream technology really took its toll. Now, I'm not saying that the Gamecube being able to play DVD's would have made all the difference in the world; but when half the people buying the PS2 say their biggest factor in buying it is the DVD player... maybe Nintendo should have followed suit. Not to mention all the developers having a hard time working with Nintendo's proprietary format.

The Dreamcast comparison only works in terms of power. Nintendo, despite doing poorly now, is still sitting on a very big pile of Wii and DS money. SEGA on the other hand was on its last leg when it came out with the Dreamcast. It also did some things that really undermined investor and consumer confidence (the whole Sega CD / 32X debacle).

The Ridge Race line is more a reference to the awkward press conference than the game itself. Like Giant Enemy Crab.

well 3 generations back, sony was a newcomer to the gaming industry and still kicked nintendo's ass 100 to 30. I don't think it's so bad that gamecube did similar numbers as xbox, more so that the Ps2 was just incredible to everyone.

In the beginning, I would say Nintendo won. When the Wii came out, everyone wanted one. The Wii was big. Hell if it wasn't for the Wii, Playstation wouldn't have done their Wii copycat Move and Xbox wouldn't have done Kinect. Both were responses to the Wii.

I do think in the middle, the Wii lost some steam. I had the Wii first and after Super Mario Galaxy or Brawl (don't remember which), I rarely played it. I got a 360. I do think overall the Xbox 360 won. Not saying Playstation was bad, they ended strong but when you look at the whole thing, Xbox was always doing well. Not as good as Wii at some points but when PS3 came out, people didn't buy it a lot. It was like $500 I believe at it's launch meanwhile the Wii was $250.

Overall I think Wii had the biggest impact because how Xbox and PS tried to copy it but Xbox was good throughout it's run and never lost steam.

it was $600 man. lol

It's all a matter of opinion.

no it's not.

referring to my OP, do you think anyone is arguing over who won the 6th gen? it was sony. no question. only a fanboy would disagree.

the point of this thread is that because of new circumstances i.e nintendo choosing not to upgrade in hardware and be way more casual, the definition of winning a console war, at least for the 7th gen, can be toyed with.

that was the point of this thread. to see with what logic people have to say, who they think the winner was. since sales of 2 of them were close and 1 of them beat the other 2 but didn't really even compete.

If we're (for some reason) ignoring sales (Wii), better exclusives (PS3), better hardware (PS3), larger online community (360), and only looking JUST at influence, I would say that the PS3 wins hands down if only for one reason: Bluray discs. The PS3, helped Sony establish the Bluray disc as THE format for HD video and gaming content, wiping the floor with Microsoft's HDDVD. With the capabilities of Bluray, we've seen a massive increase in the amount (and quality) of content we can enjoy that spans far more than simply video games.

we're NOT supposed to be doing that man - ugh. like I said in my OP, I was the owner of a Ps3, but in my opinion, nintendo won the 7th generation just because their numbers were highest.

but if someone says - 360 won because of the biggest hardcore gaming influence - that could be a valid opinion as well. but this thread wasn't supposed to be - vote for your favorite last gen console.

HD-DVD was a creation of Toshiba, not Microsoft. Had the development of the 360 and HD-DVD coincided closer to one another and HD-DVD would've been MS's format of choice over DVD, that would've been pretty interesting to see.

damn right. outside of the Ps3, blu ray kinda was kicking HDDVD's ass wasn't it? so maybe it still would've done okay even if 360's were using HDDVDs

I guess that would have made the Xbox 360 as expensive as the PS3, if not more so.

Even the 20 GB PS3 cost Sony 800 USD a pop in 2006 money. Which is about 900 USD now.

The Xbox 360 only cost Microsoft about 300 a pop (again, in '06 money).

A good HD DVD player would set you back about 600 dollars in 2006.

If you're wondering how I know that... guess what I have in my closet, next to my laserdisc player!

I bet if the Ps3 didn't have card readers or BC it wouldn't have been $600.

 

[Tron Bonne]

800 fro 20 GB? That seems off. I thought the original pricing was $500 and $600.

It is true that it could've driven up the cost of the console, but HD-DVD was much cheaper to produce than Blu-rays due to lower data closer to DVD capacity (which it was criticized for). It's not improbable that MS would've ate that cost if they really wanted the format to win over Blu-ray.

 

[Thundercrack85]

No no, it cost them 800 to make. They sold it at a considerable loss.

The 60 GB model nearly cost them a 300 dollar loss with every sale. Part of why they were near bankrupt for a while.

Though that wasn't entirely the blu-ray, also obviously the HDD, and the superior processor. But the blu-ray probably cost them 100-200 dollars (I've seen various estimates). It's one hell of a blu-ray drive though. Superior to the ones they use in the PS4, if my tech savvy buddy is to be believed.

 

[Tron Bonne]

well 3 generations back, sony was a newcomer to the gaming industry and still kicked nintendo's as 100 to 30. I don't think it's so bad that gamecube did similar numbers as xbox, more so that the Ps2 was just incredible to everyone.

it was $600 man. lol

no it's not.

referring to my OP, do you think anyone is arguing over who won the 6th gen? it was sony. no question. only a fanboy would disagree.

the point of this thread is that because of new circumstances i.e nintendo choosing not to upgrade in hardware and be way more casual, the definition of winning a console war, at least for the 7th gen, can be toyed with.

that was the point of this thread. to see with what logic people have to say, who they think the winner was. since sales of 2 of them were close and 1 of them beat the other 2 but didn't really even compete.

we're NOT supposed to be doing that man - ugh. like I said in my OP, I was the owner of a Ps3, but in my opinion, nintendo won the 7th generation just because their numbers were highest.

but if someone says - 360 won because of the biggest hardcore gaming influence - that could be a valid opinion as well. but this thread wasn't supposed to be - vote for your favorite last gen console.

damn right. outside of the Ps3, blu ray kinda was kicking HDDVD's ass wasn't it? so maybe it still would've done okay even if 360's were using HDDVDs


I bet if the Ps3 didn't have card readers or BC it wouldn't have been $600.

Blu-ray was winning the war against HD-DVD, but it was by no means "kicking it's ass", it was actually a fairly close race between the two before WB gave the nod to Blu-ray. That was the end for HD-DVD.

Also, ';m just going to say I'm not sure what the point of making this thread was if you want to take all subjectivity out of it. If we're just looking at clear cut sales, the Wii is the obvious winner. It solds the most, made profit on each console sold, and say great software sales. You can't just ask people who won the war and not expect people to voice their opinions. It makes no sense.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Blu-ray was winning the war against HD-DVD, but it was by no means "kicking it's ass", it was actually a fairly close race between the two before WB gave the nod to Blu-ray. That was the end for HD-DVD.

Also, ';m just going to say I'm not sure what the point of making this thread was if you want to take all subjectivity out of it. If we're just looking at clear cut sales, the Wii is the obvious winner. It solds the most, made profit on each console sold, and say great software sales. You can't just ask people who won the war and not expect people to voice their opinions. It makes no sense.

yeah I remember that too haha I was in high school when that happened.

you're missing it - subjectivity is allowed because of what happened in the 7th gen, but favoritism is to be discouraged and I feel like that's where most of the voting has been based. honestly I didn't think I'd be seeing sony winning the poll right now

 

[Tron Bonne]

No no, it cost them 800 to make. They sold it at a considerable loss.

The 60 GB model nearly cost them a 300 dollar loss with every sale. Part of why they were near bankrupt for a while.

Though that wasn't entirely the blu-ray, also obviously the HDD, and the superior processor. But the blu-ray probably cost them 100-200 dollars (I've seen various estimates). It's one hell of a blu-ray drive though. Superior to the ones they use in the PS4, if my tech savvy buddy is to be believed.

Ah, you were talking about cost to produce. Yeah, I don't know much about that.

 

[Tron Bonne]

yeah I remember that too haha I was in high school when that happened.

you're missing it - subjectivity is allowed because of what happened in the 7th gen, but favoritism is to be discouraged and I feel like that's where most of the voting has been based. honestly I didn't think I'd be seeing sony winning the poll right now

What other subjectivity is there out what was personally preferred? I really don't follow what it is you're wanting out of this thread.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

What other subjectivity is there out what was personally preferred? I really don't follow what it is you're wanting out of this thread.

like I said in the OP - Ps3 is all I owned, that was my favorite but I wouldn't say it won the war.

to me, it was the Wii - based on sales numbers alone. but because the wii was not really competing with the Ps3 and 360, some people could argue the 360 won even though it didn't sell as well.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Probably a stupid question, but since the Wii only cost 250 dollars, and the Xbox 360 cost about 400 (averaged), isn't the real winner the 360?

80,000,000 units x 400 USD = 32,000,000,000 USD

100,000,000 units x 250 USD = 25,000,000,000 USD

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Probably a stupid question, but since the Wii only cost 250 dollars, and the Xbox 360 cost about 400 (averaged), isn't the real winner the 360?

80,000,000 units x 400 USD = 32,000,000,000 USD

100,000,000 units x 250 USD = 25,000,000,000 USD

i don't think we should count how much money they've been making. the 360 also charged everyone $50 to play online, and that hurts the consumer who could've gone with alternative that didn't charge at all.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Did the Wii have online play?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Probably a stupid question, but since the Wii only cost 250 dollars, and the Xbox 360 cost about 400 (averaged), isn't the real winner the 360?

80,000,000 units x 400 USD = 32,000,000,000 USD

100,000,000 units x 250 USD = 25,000,000,000 USD

It would depend on how much profit per sale was involved. Nintendo made profit on the Wii from day one, and even continued to do so after official cutting the price (I believe they still make profit on the Wii Mini, since it was so gutted).

If I recall, MS lost money on the 360 for at least the first year. It wasn't until later, when prices on parts went down, that they begin to see profit margins on the machine.

It's also worth mentioning that the 360 had multiple models, some of which cost less or more than that base price you mentioned. The Arcade models were $200, I think, for instance. You'd probably have to have access to official numbers from MS to have a breakdown of how they total 80 million units broke down.

 

[Raiden]

I owned Xbox 360 and Wii, but I think I should have gotten PS3 instead.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Did the Wii have online play?

yeah but if you thought PsN was underdeveloped, lol

 

[Thundercrack85]

I really just bought it for Twilight Princess. And then really just used it to play Gamecube games, and the occasional Mario.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

does the wii u have all the same motion control stuff that that the wii had?

or is it a move back to traditional video games?

 

[Thundercrack85]

Some games incorporate motion control, but it's traditional for the most part.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Some games incorporate motion control, but it's traditional for the most part.

well then why didn't they upgrade the hardware? and by that I mean to NEW gen. All they did was match the 360. The Ps3 is still probably more powerful than it

 

[Thundercrack85]

The Wii U is slightly superior to the PS3 in most respects, from what I've gathered.

I don't know what Nintendo's reasoning was for creating such an underpowered console.

Right now the biggest issue for the Wii U in getting games isn't so much power (it could certainly run Destiny, Shadows of Mordor, Advanced Warfare, etc) it's Nintendo's lackluster sales and business practices.

If the console was just underpowered that would be an issue, but Nintendo's policies are what's screwing the console.

Only Nintendo knows what Nintendo is thinking.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The Wii U is slightly superior to the PS3 in most respects, from what I've gathered.

I don't know what Nintendo's reasoning was for creating such an underpowered console.

Right now the biggest issue for the Wii U in getting games isn't so much power (it could certainly run Destiny, Shadows of Mordor, Advanced Warfare, etc) it's Nintendo's lackluster sales and business practices.

If the console was just underpowered that would be an issue, but Nintendo's policies are what's screwing the console.

Only Nintendo knows what Nintendo is thinking.

slight superiority ain't enough to compete with new gen consoles that have way more than just lightly better hardware in them than their predecessors, which the wii u compares to. their predecessors.

yes it can run all those multiplat cross gen titles you mentioned, but this the wii u is getting the ports that are of similar development code to a console that's been around almost 10 years ago. the predecessor of the console that the wii u is supposed to be competing with, NOW.

and didn't nintendo themselves kinda say last year that they kinda screwed up? when the ps4 and xbone launched?

 

[TWayneP]

The 360 came out real strong, but the PS3 made a mind-blowing comeback, considering all the odds against winning. By the end of the last generation, the PS3 was not only on par, but head-and-shoulders above the 360.

To sum it up, the Xbox 360 absolutely dominated the first half, but the PS3 kept grinding and stole the victory with a huge comeback in the second half.

The Last of Us was basically the final nail in the coffin for the last generation, and imo Sony's crowning moment. Clear winner to me.

This.