Lee Bermejo and Brian Azzarello's Joker Graphic Novel

[Arsh]

I also got the impression that a lot of the stuff that he does is just a means to lure Batman out. He doesn't actually care about what he's doing, he just wants Batman to come out. When he says he wants what's his, I think it just means the city of Gotham. He doesn't care about racketeering, or the mob, or the separate sections of the city divvied up. He wants all of Gotham, but even more than that, he wants Batman to notice him.

 

[EmPiiRe x]

i can diG that. while the plan of his may seem, on the surface, very straightforward -- criminal coming out of hiatus trying to reset things back in his favor -- his motives are not. He'd only want to follow through with this plan to see the chaos and violence his pursuing of it would cause. Framing his plan in conventional, linear criminal motives would work well to sooth ppl like Croc or whoever, because nobody would want to be attached to Joker's true motives and tendencies. i can diG that indeed . . .

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya, that whole criminal element is a guise for the criminals that he gets to work for him. Johnny says it himself how he wanted to get involved with the Joker because he is a big shot. It is like ooo he is the ultimate bad guy, but then when Johnny analyzes Joker he finds that Joker is literally insane and has no motives. He would kill a loyal henchman who saved his life just because he thinks it funny.

 

[Drz]

i'm just worried this might be a reinterpretation-too-many. you reinvent or re-imagine a character enough, and eventually you lose the heart and soul of what made that character remarkable in the first place. TDK Joker must certainly did not do this, and in many ways improved on those core principles of the Joker (psychotic nihilism, blah blah blah), but I worry that this Joker will not. By making Joker a thug, bully gangster, you give him something to lose, a stake in the world (his financial holdings, power, influence, whatever), instead of just his own lunatic worldview that he lives in. in TDK, money was a means to an end, used to put in motion his plan. In this book, money seems like an end in and of itself. Very conventional, but not very Joker . . .

in The Dark Knight Joker also needed money for the stuff, sure it seemed to be rather cheap in Gotham as he states himself, but you have to remember this was a realistic take and all Mobsters need their money source.

 

[Motown Marvel]

For those wondering how Harvey Dent looks like, it's very close to the sketch that was posted earlier in this thread

The scarred side is a sort of reddish-pink.

f**k me!

 

[ironman29758]

I really liked it. Very uncomfortable atmosphere, which i loved. It was really tense. Not as crazy brilliant as alot of reviews said, but a very solid read that i plan to read again. I loved the depiction of the characters in this.

Bermejo needs to do more Batman work. I loved the all black approach to the Batman in this, and the slight modifications he did. There's no crease down the middle of his cowl, and he fooled around with the bat-emblem on his chest. It's more three-dimensional than just a flat image.

pictures please

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Do people wanna see Batman? Am I allowed to post some scans?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Ok peoples I just got permission to post a few scans, heres one with Batman.

Spoiler

And one leading up to a very disturbing moment.

Spoiler

 

[ironman29758]

thanks

 

[CaptainClown]

probablyu should put those in spoiler tags.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Good idea cap, I forgot. Hunter said it was alright to post them though.

 

[CaptainClown]

oh ya, I think its ok to post em. Just encase someone who hasn't read it is browsing this thread....though they shouldn't but you never know.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea no worries man.

What did you think of it anyway Cap? I thought it was sweeeet. Only a small scene but I love the part in the car when they are driving to Tommy Bang Bang's. The dialog there is perfect. It treats Batman like the mythical force that he should be treated like.

 

[CaptainClown]

I just read it again and I really like it. It is everything I expected it to be. Probably was hoping it would be a little longer. Anyway the writing was perfect and reminds me of the bullies I have encountered in my life, to an epic scale. Batman was treated perfectly, and the Joker's need for the Batman was perfect as well. It isn't the focus of the story but you can tell Joker is just doing it to get the attention of Batman.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Haha yea thats what I was thinking too, I could of read another 100 pages of it!

I think one of the best things about it is that it is still the Batman mythos, but someone who doesn't particularly know the universe that well can just pick it up and really dig it. It might not to be everyones tastes, especially the hard nosed traditional Joker fans but I think everyone should appreciate it for what it is, a really interesting and entertaining read.

 

[CaptainClown]

well Joker is my favorite character and I enjoyed it, probably because I know the depicted personality is pretty damn realistic to those types of people. I think the writing in it was just so damn smooth nothing felt out of place at all.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea before it came out I was mainly looking forward to seeing the art, but after reading it I gotta say that the writing is just brilliant. I'm not too familiar with Azzarello's work, but just because of this I'm gonna start reading 100 bullets.

 

[Aerius]

I'm curious, what explanation does the novel give as to why Batman doesn't cover the bottom part of his face?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

He says it's so he can mock Joker.

 

[Two-Face]

I love that Two-Face pic!

 

[Captain Useless]

Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast.

 

[Lemenbolle]

First impressions:
I liked the storytelling/writing, it reminded me of watchmen and TDK (er. .). For example, the scenes before and where Joker sees that the red window of his apartment is broken.

The art was okay, brilliant when painted, but all those edgy black shadows....meh...anyways, it's not a big point.

The blood was many places like tomato puree, and I don't think it was as ugly or gore like everybody says, except when the guy was hanging up down from a tree and when the old couple was killed. That's when I felt it in my stomach. I wasnt scared at all by the muscle skinned man ...it seemed so unrealistic. First off, fat is situated on the outside of muscles, not inside (that big belly)....secondly, where's all the blood? Besides, anyone else thinks he looks like Tony Stark there?

It might also be that I struggle with the language. It takes somuch of my brain use. What's with the rabbit joke?

Oh, one big con: The font. The font had no...personality.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea thats a small gripe I have aswell. The speech bubbles weren't very interesting. I thought maybe Jokers speech bubbles would be different from everyone elses, like a different colour or font.

 

[Dark Victory]

He says it's so he can mock Joker.

Yeah, loved that part. Kind of funny how Joker made fun of Two-Face behind his back, and at the meeting, but when Batman says something about him under his breath, Joker goes ape****. Love how he had the "I don't take **** from anyone" attitude throughout the book.

 

[Dark Victory]

First impressions:
I liked the storytelling/writing, it reminded me of watchmen and TDK (er. .). For example, the scenes before and where Joker sees that the red window of his apartment is broken.

The art was okay, brilliant when painted, but all those edgy black shadows....meh...anyways, it's not a big point.

The blood was many places like tomato puree, and I don't think it was as ugly or gore like everybody says, except when the guy was hanging up down from a tree and when the old couple was killed. That's when I felt it in my stomach. I wasnt scared at all by the muscle skinned man ...it seemed so unrealistic. First off, fat is situated on the outside of muscles, not inside (that big belly)....secondly, where's all the blood? Besides, anyone else thinks he looks like Tony Stark there?

It might also be that I struggle with the language. It takes somuch of my brain use. What's with the rabbit joke?

Oh, one big con: The font. The font had no...personality.

Yeah, it took me a second to get some of the jokes. Anyway...he called Croc a jungle bunny.