Sequels Legendary Pictures & Thomas Tull Think Superman Sequel

[mojo-x]

Q. We only saw him fall into some sort of dry-ice chasm. He could still be around.

DH: He could be.

What are they talking about? I never saw Zod in this movie, maybe they are referring to the 2nd movie but I heard that the events in that movie did not happen, at least not the same way they were depicted in that movie.

 

[mojo-x]

DH: Not in this movie. I mean, we love Zod. Zod is very cool. But there’s no time.

Q. We only saw him fall into some sort of dry-ice chasm. He could still be around.

DH: He could be.

What are they talking about? I never saw Zod in this movie, maybe they are referring to the 2nd movie but I heard that the events in that movie did not happen, at least not the same way they were depicted in that movie.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

What are they talking about? I never saw Zod in this movie, maybe they are referring to the 2nd movie but I heard that the events in that movie did not happen, at least not the same way they were depicted in that movie.

The interviewer was referring to Superman II.

 

[Super Kal]

Your basing your whole argument on a false rumor from IMDB. Zod was never intended to be in SR and the role was never cut or offered to Law.

Dougherty and Harris confirmed this:

wow... if they actually use Zod for MoS... wow, I thought that was behind us now

 

[mojo-x]

The interviewer was referring to Superman II.

I remember seeing in an interview with Singer saying that Superman 2 was not part of the canon, and this story takes place after STM. However there are other things that would lead me to believe that the events in S2 did happen. How the hell is the general audience suppose to know what is canon and not, when the writers and director do not seem to know?

 

[bunk]

wow... if they actually use Zod for MoS... wow, I thought that was behind us now

I would lose a great deal of interest for a sequel if Zod were in it at all, much less the main villain.

 

[Showtime]

I'm aware that they were not in the dark. I'm simply saying that by the time Zod was removed, contracts were already signed, casting was already done, etc and it may have been too late.

Zod was never going to be in the movie...

 

[I Am The Knight]

wow... if they actually use Zod for MoS... wow, I thought that was behind us now

What are you talking about No one is saying he will be the villain in MOS. It's pretty obvious they will not go that route.

 

[The Guard]

Maybe I'm missing something here but....20 minutes? for the Return To Krypton sequence? I thought Singer himself said (in an interview) that it was more like 5 minutes in lenght?

There's no way. The animatics themselves are longer than that. The way the "return" is written in the novel points to it being a bit more involved. He not only returns to Krypton, there are flashbacks about his leaving intertwined, and there are long introspective moments. It would have been 15-20 minutes.

He certainly seems to have issues controlling his budgets. He didn't have any problems going over budget with Fox, though, as far as I can remember....Too much creative freedom nowadays, perhaps? Anyways, if the sequel happens, they have to use the RTK sequence, it was expensive, it's just sitting there somewhere, and it's supposed to be amazing. I really wish he would have left it in the movie, or at least put it on the DVD.

It's just not that simple. He may well not have been given enough money to film what he needed to film.

Let's agree to disagree, Guard. To me and many, Routh did a fine job acting wise, he was even great in some parts, IMO. The only part where he was mediocre in my view was in his scene with Ma Kent.

We can agree to disagree if you wish. But you know what? That "one scene" is the only time they had any meaningful onscreen interaction. It is the selling point of his character's angst, and he did nothing with the scene. You can not afford to be "mediocre" in this scene. You can not afford to sound like you are reading your lines here. Sure, he has potential, and he looks and sounds a LOT like Clark Kent/Superman should/would. But the man needs to work on his emoting. Period.

There's a difference between "subtle" and "not doing anything". You want to see subtly, go to it.

My point with Darkseid is that he's not a specific villain to superman which many people here seem to think, and I personally believe he is not a good choice as a villain because he's just not that interesting.

After the New Gods stuff, Darkseid was introduced to the DC Universe via Superman, then became a JLA villain. So he could easily have ties to Superman.

You're comparing two movies with entirely different demographics. The fact is, Superman Returns was meant to have universal appeal.

Obviously it wasn't meant to have universal appeal, because it focused on a very adult story, and told a morally polarizing story instead of just a straightforward "good guy" one.

Still, you've got to wonder, how responsible is Warner? When they were sold this project, were they under the impression that General Zod was going to be in the movie (hence much more action)? I mean, the rumors that Singer planned on Zod right up until the end (and finally scrapped the idea after numerous rejections from Law) were pretty solid and from numerous sources. I wonder if Zod was in the pitch that Warners signed off on?

As others have pointed out, that's just not how it works.

 

[stargazer]

We can agree to disagree if you wish. But you know what? That "one scene" is the only time they had any meaningful onscreen interaction. It is the selling point of his character's angst, and he did nothing with the scene. You can not afford to be "mediocre" in this scene. You can not afford to sound like you are reading your lines here. Sure, he has potential, and he looks and sounds a LOT like Clark Kent/Superman should/would. But the man needs to work on his emoting. Period.

There's a difference between "subtle" and "not doing anything". You want to see subtly, go to it.

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NO. Let's agree to disagree applies here because it's your opinion against mine, and neither is law. And I give Routh a pass in his scene with Ma Kent because it was the very first scene he filmed. He must have been very nervous, this being his first real movie and all. I still think he was decent in that scene, just not very good. I'm done.

 

[The Guard]

It's his first movie?

Well I guess the director should have held his hand and told him when to be "louder" and so forth.



And how many takes do you think they did? You think Singer said "Well, we got one half-decent take, let's wrap"?

Brandon Routh was a professional, trained actor during SUPERMAN RETURNS. "Not very good", which you've just admitted to him being, isn't good enough for that scene. He has work to do.

 

[Nightwing1977]

What are you talking about No one is saying he will be the villain in MOS. It's pretty obvious they will not go that route.

Yep. Zod was never confirmed at all. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, folks. The only way to believe Zod will be in it if it's happend.....which hasn't so far. I'm sure he will not be in MoS at all. Brainiac or someone else is a good possibility we could see in MoS.

 

[wellsy]

I think I should point out that, according to wikipedia (which could easily be wrong), Zod was in the first draft of the story that they developed. When Jude Law declined the role, they dropped him entirely (and I wouldn't believe what a Hollywood writer says; they're known to outright lie all the time people). And while it may never have been confirmed, wikipedia certainly lends the idea some credibility, even if it was just an internet-spawned rumour.

My apologies if there was a mixup. That is where I heard that Zod was originally planned.

Oh, and SR is based off the continuity of elements of both Superman I and II, in a vague history contest (dontcha love it? ).

And while I was on the wiki page, I noticed this:

"Hugh Laurie was cast as Perry White, but had to quit due to his role in the series House, being replaced by Frank Langella."

Yeah, I know its off-topic, but how would you've liked House as the editor at the DP?

 

[dark_b]

I think I should point out that, according to wikipedia (which could easily be wrong), Zod was in the first draft of the story that they developed. When Jude Law declined the role, they dropped him entirely (and I wouldn't believe what a Hollywood writer says; they're known to outright lie all the time people). And while it may never have been confirmed, wikipedia certainly lends the idea some credibility, even if it was just an internet-spawned rumour.

My apologies if there was a mixup. That is where I heard that Zod was originally planned.

Oh, and SR is based off the continuity of elements of both Superman I and II, in a vague history contest (dontcha love it? ).

And while I was on the wiki page, I noticed this:

"Hugh Laurie was cast as Perry White, but had to quit due to his role in the series House, being replaced by Frank Langella."

Yeah, I know its off-topic, but how would you've liked House as the editor at the DP ?

yeah. interesting. singer is hte producer of this show. i htink he also wanted the girl from House but she also couldnt do it .

 

[Super Kal]

What are you talking about No one is saying he will be the villain in MOS. It's pretty obvious they will not go that route.

and no one is saying he won't either

 

[El Payaso]

and no one is saying he won't either

Then I'm worried they're using Mr. Mxyzptlk.

 

[Showtime]

Heh Heh.

Zod isn't going to be in the sequel...

 

[Super Kal]

Heh Heh.

Zod isn't going to be in the sequel...

coming from you, that makes me feel a little bit better

 

[Showtime]

Mike and Dan were having fun with the fans, Zod is almost an inside joke to them. Zod has become more of a cult hero than a supervillian.

 

[dark_b]

didnt he have a t-shirt with ZOD on?

 

[Showtime]

Yeah he did DB. Good memory. They like to mess with the fans...obviously.

Let me put it this way...there is a better chance of there being a sequel without Singer as the director than there is of Zod actually being in the sequel.

 

[GL's Light]

didnt he have a t-shirt with ZOD on?

Yeah, I saw a pic of him wearing it. It had "Kneel Before Zod" on it I believe.

 

[stargazer]

Heh Heh.

Zod isn't going to be in the sequel...

I wouldn't mind seeing Zod doing a small role in the sequel. The character could still be used in creative ways, after all, he truly hated Jor-El and his descendants..

Come to me Son of Jor-El! Kneeeel before Zod!! Awesome!

 

[GL's Light]

Too many fans would scream bloody murder if Zod was used in the next film, and the sequel will need all the good will it can muster. But Zod could make for a good villain again sometime down the line.

 

[Showtime]

I think the only way Zod would have worked out in this run is if he was actually featured in Returns. It could have worked.