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[ampersand]

ampersand, if you whine about being fat and poor, personally...while you sit munching on pork rinds and watching Comedy Central all day? Then yeah, f*** that and " get up and do something about it or ****". In a case where individual change is possible, I totally agree.

Bush S.T.O.L.E. both elections. There was no majority of Americans that wanted him as a leader. Furthermore, the decision to invade Iraq was made years before Bush even TOOK office. Furthermore, before going to Iraq, an unprecedented totally historic event occurred. Thanks to the internet and the outrage over the (seeming) insanity and stupidity and pure evil of the notion of invading IRAQ ( ?!? ) after NINE-ELEVEN?...
the world's first and largest GLOBAL protest was held...MILLIONS of people all over the WORLD...all came together in unity to chant their slogans and wave their signs, No blood for oil", "no war in Iraq"....

Um, they. don't. give. a. f***. They will do exactly what they want to do.
America has already been shown to run by war-criminals and Bush and his administration have already been proven to be liars a thousand times.

Colin Powell's cheif of staff already admitted that the WMD's in Iraq was all BS and that they were pressured by Cheney to "justify" an invasion.

NO ONE CARES. And there's nothing you can do to pull 100 million people's heads out of their asses.

Also, don't f***ing tell me what I can and can't say.

If you are giving up and saying there is nothing you can do about it, then you are being very hypocritical. That is all I am saying.

 

[Darthphere]

If you are giving up and saying there is nothing you can do about it, then you are being very hypocritical. That is all I am saying.

So with that logic, the Japanese should never had surrendered in WWII and allowed the US to nuke the whole country. Are you beginning to see how flawed your logic is?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

If you are giving up and saying there is nothing you can do about it, then you are being very hypocritical.

enlighten me. What can you do about it?

 

[Lackey]

If you are giving up and saying there is nothing you can do about it, then you are being very hypocritical. That is all I am saying.

How would you know...you don't even know enough about politics to form your own belief. You're not exactly the person who should be making criticisms like that.

 

[jaguarr]

If you are giving up and saying there is nothing you can do about it, then you are being very hypocritical. That is all I am saying.

So your only point in this whole thread is to come in here and just tell everyone that they're hypocrites? That's it? Way to change the world. (Since your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, let me be clear that THAT was sarcasm.)

jag

 

[Cho Chang]

Lackey, Sarah Silverman is so hot. "When God gives you AIDS, make lemonAIDS."

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Am I the only one that gets misty-eyed when thinking of her giving her body to that Kimmel fellow?

 

[ampersand]

So with that logic, the Japanese should never had surrendered in WWII and allowed the US to nuke the whole country. Are you beginning to see how flawed your logic is?

You know what, I'm going to give in. I don't even know what is right anymore.

I'm still not going to sit on a message board complaining about the US, but I don't know what there is to do about it.

Everyone, you all made very valid points, thank you



...i think I may be one of the only people to ever do that on a message board...

 

[Lackey]

Lackey, Sarah Silverman is so hot. "When God gives you AIDS, make lemonAIDS."

I agree

Am I the only one that gets misty-eyed when thinking of her giving her body to that Kimmel fellow?

It's a bigger atrocity than Bush stealing the election.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

...i think I may be one of the only people to ever do that on a message board...

TRULY

My respect for you just shot up.



You're one of the....8 or 9 to have ever done it.

 

[Cho Chang]

Am I the only one that gets misty-eyed when thinking of her giving her body to that Kimmel fellow?

It's tragic.

 

[jaguarr]

I'm still not going to sit on a message board complaining about the US, but I don't know what there is to do about it.

Let me tell you something about discussions on internet message boards, particularly where it comes to politics; they have value. Why, you ask? Because knowledge is power. The discussing and sharing of opinions and information about our government and our leaders means that the propaganda machines are disempowered. It means that more people can have access to more complete information to make up their own minds about what is right or not with what is going on in our country. The more people that wake up from their complacency or apathy and realize that things aren't right increases the likelihood that things will change when it comes to voting. When it comes to social and political activism. When it comes to what people do with their charity dollars and so on and so on. Revolutions are not started, nor are they won, with guns and bombs. They are won with words and with knowledge.

Now tell me what we do has no value.

jag

 

[ampersand]

TRULY

My respect for you just shot up.



You're one of the....8 or 9 to have ever done it.

Well, I came in all heated and talking smack about something I don't have nearly enough experience in life to truly understand. I'm only 17.

 

[ampersand]

Let me tell you something about discussions on internet message boards, particularly where it comes to politics; they have value. Why, you ask? Because knowledge is power. The discussing and sharing of opinions and information about our government and our leaders means that the propaganda machines are disempowered. It means that more people can have access to more complete information to make up their own minds about what is right or not with what is going on in our country. The more people that wake up from their complacency or apathy and realize that things aren't right increases the likelihood that things will change when it comes to voting. When it comes to social and political activism. When it comes to what people do with their charity dollars and so on and so on. Revolutions are not started, nor are they won, with guns and bombs. They are won with words and with knowledge.

Now tell me what we do has no value.

jag

Uh... I just gave in? I'm no longer judging you or telling you your wrong, I was just saying that I personally am not going to talk politics on a message board.

 

[jaguarr]

Uh... I just gave in? I'm no longer judging you or telling you your wrong, I was just saying that I personally am not going to talk politics on a message board.

I'm saying that you shouldn't "give in", necessarily. I'm saying that it has value to talk politics on the internet. And with your friends and family, for that matter. Knowledge is power, after all. Just be willing to listen to people when they interact with you and not read too much of your OWN perceptions into what they say, like you did with me a page or so ago. Look at it as an opportunity to learn and exchange ideas. Some of those ideas are far-fetched or even crackpot such as the idea of Reptilians controlling everything (sorry, SumOfGod), and some have value and warrant discussion and sharing of information such as the recent thread about Colin Powell coming out and saying what he has about how our administration justified going into Iraq. If we all clam up and keep our heads in the sand, then absolutely nothing will change at all without a doubt.

jag

 

[ampersand]

I'm saying that you shouldn't "give in", necessarily. I'm saying that it has value to talk politics on the internet. And with your friends and family, for that matter. Knowledge is power, after all. Just be willing to listen to people when they interact with you and not read too much of your OWN perceptions into what they say, like you did with me a page or so ago. Look at it as an opportunity to learn and exchange ideas. Some of those ideas are far-fetched or even crackpot such as the idea of Reptilians controlling everything (sorry, SumOfGod), and some have value and warrant discussion and sharing of information such as the recent thread about Colin Powell coming out and saying what he has about how our administration justified going into Iraq. If we all clam up and keep our heads in the sand, then absolutely nothing will change at all without a doubt.

jag

I do believe that there is opportunity on this board to have serious discussion, but most threads fail to offer both sides of the coin (particularly on this topic). Words and Statistics can easily be twisted to fit almost any position which has been demonstrated quite a few times on this board.

 

[Cho Chang]

I do believe that there is opportunity on this board to have serious discussion, but most threads fail to offer both sides of the coin (particularly on this topic). Words and Statistics can easily be twisted to fit almost any position which has been demonstrated quite a few times on this board.

Tell that to the 45 billion people who've lost their lives in the Iraq war.

 

[jaguarr]

I do believe that there is opportunity on this board to have serious discussion, but most threads fail to offer both sides of the coin (particularly on this topic). Words and Statistics can easily be twisted to fit almost any position which has been demonstrated quite a few times on this board.

Ahhh, but the discussion still happens and the revolution moves slowly forward because of it. Part of waking up, for most people, involves learning to discern the facts from the lies for themselves. At least the information is out there on the 'net, and is infinitely more complete than what the news or the papers or our government's official word is on most topics.

jag

 

[ampersand]

Guys, I am not trying to argue with you on this. I'm just saying that I am not going to talk politics on this board for the very reason you said, jaguarr, because I need to leard to discern the facts from the lies for myself.

 

[jaguarr]

Guys, I am not trying to argue with you on this. I'm just saying that I am not going to talk politics on this board for the very reason you said, jaguarr, because I need to leard to discern the facts from the lies for myself.

Without the exchange of ideas and the ability to ask questions, how will you be able to do that, though?

jag

 

[ampersand]

Without the exchange of ideas and the ability to ask questions, how will you be able to do that, though?

jag

Reading. Read all the politics threads, read all the articles on politics I can find. Read, read, read. It's how you learn.

 

[jaguarr]

Reading. Read all the politics threads, read all the articles on politics I can find. Read, read, read. It's how you learn.

It's part of how you learn. The other part comes from interaction and asking lots of questions. Ask. Ask. Ask.

jag

 

[Darthphere]

Knowing is half the battle.

 

[jaguarr]

Knowing is half the battle.

And now you know. GOOOOO JOE!

jag

 

[Blade_fan1911]