The Wolverine Let The Claws Do The Talking - Rate & Review "The Wolverine"

[Poni_Boy]

After hearing about DOFP I was fully convinced they were going to take this(one in a lifetime) opportunity to cut off the mans hand. Would have been interesting to say the least.

Well they definitely seem to be going that route in [BLACKOUT]Thor The Dark World[/BLACKOUT]

Also, yes, they obviously had sex. Obviously. They didn't need to show them humping like those Twilight kids. Implication is more than enough to get the point across.

 

[Liam_H]

I see your point. But it doesn't have to read that way. The both fell for each other and to want to be with a person in that way is quite natural. However, most of his dislike for Noburu would come from obvious reasons. I mean you could keep the scene with the exact same dialogue and it would still work.

 

[danoyse]

Spoiler

I also thought about that while in the theater that he had an awful good memory of Yashida and WWII when he shouldn't lol. Oh well, I didn't let it ruin my enjoyment.

I'm not sure he remembered everything about Yashida and WWII when he first met Yukio. But he'd just messed with the hunters, and the cops were heading towards the bar, so he had to leave anyway.

He was having flashbacks to it, but I don't think he connected it fully until he was back in Nagasaki and found the well.

Btw, I'm dying to know what he did to get tossed into that well to begin with.

 

[lastairbender]

Finally Saw it!! EHEH

Things i like:

- The cinematography and sets...very nice

- The acting

- When i listened the score before i didnt like it so much, but in the movie has another meaning, becomes great

- The character study and deep was nice for the main cast

- I actually liked Viper very much, her performance, voice etc. I wanted to see her fight more, having more of those viperine movements..

- The Shingen fight..Cool moode

- Yukio was great!


What i didnt like/disappointed:

- the train action scene, was hoping for more.

- The ninja action scene, very disappointing/fast

- too much Jean Grey(although i like her)

- Its true that some scenes drag and in the final act looks like we entered in another movie wich leaded to some awkward moments...

- The final twist was predictable..to me at least.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

*facepalm*

And just why is my comment a "facepalm"?

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I'd rate it an 8.7/10 if I understood why [BLACKOUT] Viper and Yashida wanted Mariko.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Visiting Arkham]

I'd rate it an 8.7/10 if I understood why [BLACKOUT] Viper and Yashida wanted Mariko.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

At that point in the game they needed Mariko to lure Logan to the fortress, hence the "COME AND GET HER" sign stabbed into one of Shingen's henchmen. I'm assuming the Black Clan was expecting both Mariko and Wolverine at the Yashida compound, but had to improvise once Logan wasn't with her.

To be fair, I had to see the film twice before understanding the full picture of the plot.

 

[Lord]

Watch out for spoiler:

I agree that Logan not doing anything with Mariko would have made some of the scenes after more powerful, but disagree about about having him as an "horny beast", that wouldn't work very well.

As a whole it was a very good film, even though it had a lot of the usual "American in Japan" clichés. It succeed where X-Men Origins: Wolverine failed, the basics of filmmaking and a well made and compelling story. Viper was annoying but she had an interesting and well thought power.

Only part i was not very fond of was the giant robot at the end.

I give it a Solid 7

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Watch out for spoiler:

I agree that Logan not doing anything with Mariko would have made some of the scenes after more powerful, but disagree about about having him as an "horny beast", that wouldn't work very well.

As a whole it was a very good film, even though it had a lot of the usual "American in Japan" clichés. It succeed where X-Men Origins: Wolverine failed, the basics of filmmaking and a well made and compelling story. Viper was annoying but she had an interesting and well thought power.

Only part i was not very fond of was the giant robot at the end.

I give it a Solid 7

I agree with this. X-Men Origins: Wolverine had a lot going for it, but failed when it started to do things like adamantium bullets, computer controlled Deadpool, and a couple other things.

The Wolverine didn't have any of those contrived plot points. I wasn't bothered by Viper since she was actually a character in the comic run that was being adapted. I prefer the story and characters of X-Men Origins: Wolverine better, but the actual development and crafting of the story and characters is far superior in The Wolverine.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Spoiler

At that point in the game they needed Mariko to lure Logan to the fortress, hence the "COME AND GET HER" sign stabbed into one of Shingen's henchmen. I'm assuming the Black Clan was expecting both Mariko and Wolverine at the Yashida compound, but had to improvise once Logan wasn't with her.

To be fair, I had to see the film twice before understanding the full picture of the plot.

And again, something I've brought up before, but the plot has a rather gaping hole.

Namely [BLACKOUT]That there was never any point to Yashida faking his death. He didn't need to do it...at all. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Lord]

I agree with this. X-Men Origins: Wolverine had a lot going for it, but failed when it started to do things like adamantium bullets, computer controlled Deadpool, and a couple other things.

Don't Forget the pacing, it was Basically throwing things at us the whole time while The wolverine had a more natural one.

The Wolverine didn't have any of those contrived plot points. I wasn't bothered by Viper since she was actually a character in the comic run that was being adapted. I prefer the story and characters of X-Men Origins: Wolverine better, but the actual development and crafting of the story and characters is far superior in The Wolverine.

I think X-Men Origins: Wolverine is the basic example of a bad film and what to be careful about while crafting a movie, they took two great storylines (Origin and Weapon X) and merged into a badly crafted movie, that film felt more like an early scipt than a finished one.

 

[Visiting Arkham]

And again, something I've brought up before, but the plot has a rather gaping hole.

Namely [BLACKOUT]That there was never any point to Yashida faking his death. He didn't need to do it...at all. [/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

I think once Wolverine turned down Yashida's offer to transfer his healing ability, he was convinced the only way to achieve his goal was by physically taking it. Yashida thought that by giving the company to Mariko, he could control everything through her rather than the stubborn-headed Shingen after his "death," since no one would accept a young Master Yashida in a position of power (hence Viper's "Do you think he chose you because you were strong... or weak?" comment).

What I assume is that after Yashida's funeral they were planning on capturing Wolverine and draining his healing ability through the Silver Samurai suit, but the attempted Yakuza hit on Mariko messed up their plans and forced them to improvise with kidnapping Mariko, drawing Logan to the compound.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Spoiler

I think once Wolverine turned down Yashida's offer to transfer his healing ability, he was convinced the only way to achieve his goal was by physically taking it. Yashida thought that by giving the company to Mariko, he could control everything through her rather than the stubborn-headed Shingen after his "death," since no one would accept a young Master Yashida in a position of power (hence Viper's "Do you think he chose you because you were strong... or weak?" comment).

What I assume is that after Yashida's funeral they were planning on capturing Wolverine and draining his healing ability through the Silver Samurai suit, but the attempted Yakuza hit on Mariko messed up their plans and forced them to improvise with kidnapping Mariko, drawing Logan to the compound.

Spoiler

See, I don't buy that. There's no rule about not being able to retain control of your company once you find a way to make yourself younger. This is a world where mutants have existed for some time, so it wouldn't really be all that surprising.

The only way it really would have made sense is if Shigen had been in a position to strip the old man of his power, but that wasn't the case. Shigen was hiding the fact the old man was using tons of money to try and keep himself alive in hopes that the old man would leave him the company. So that aspect is out as well. I don't think he needed to fake his death just to get to the other compound and into the Samurai suit either. Since he still was in control of the company, he easily could have said he was transferring himself to an advanced care facility. If he really didn't want anyone else to see the samurai armor, he could have refused visitors.

I don't buy that he faked his death just to keep Logan in Japan, because he was shown to have considerable means. He could have easily had Logan abducted instead of faking his death.

And this is the biggest issue, since old man Yashida clearly had contingencies in case Logan refused him...Why didn't he place himself in his second care facility RIGHT at the beginning? The one with the armor. He clearly had other areas for people to stay. He could have kept the armor and all that hidden from Logan, asked him to give him his healing power. When Logan refuses, they drug him at the facility, the old man jumps in the armor, and they attack Logan in the armor while he sleeps and is weakened.

Faking his death was completely unneeded, and made no logical sense. Now, had they set the film up and displayed Shingen as finally growing tired of his father spending huge sums of money on trying to extend his life, and that Shingen was going to inform the stockholders soon and strip the old man of his power...THEN the plot would have made sense. Faking his death and naming Mariko the heir effectively takes all eyes off the old man's plots while the family squabbles, and would allow him to operate in secret without being bothered.

But no one was bothering him to begin with. The one person who could have (Shingen) was actually HIDING his huge spending on attempts to prolong his life.

So yeah...the whole plot was completely non-sensical

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Spoiler

Yashida needed someone pliable to turn the company back over to his younger self. Shingen wouldn't do that. Shingen was ambitious and already wanted the company for himself. He hated his father's obsession with mutants and his father essentially becoming like a mutant, Shingen would never turn the company back over to him. Shingen said he believed his father saw himself in Mariko and not him. Viper said that's why Mariko was chosen, for being "weak," unlike Shingen who was strong. Too strong. Mariko was said to have problems making friends growing up and Yukio was her doll friend. She was easily forced by her father into becoming engaged to Noburo.

I might need a second watch to catch more but that's where it's at in my head right now.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Don't Forget the pacing, it was Basically throwing things at us the whole time while The wolverine had a more natural one.


I think X-Men Origins: Wolverine is the basic example of a bad film and what to be careful about while crafting a movie, they took two great storylines (Origin and Weapon X) and merged into a badly crafted movie, that film felt more like an early scipt than a finished one.

Yea. I mean, I liked X-Men Origins: Wolverine as I've already explained in this thread, but I don't totally disagree with you.

The first half of the movie was fine. Sure, Team X moved a bit quickly, but I really enjoyed the moments with Logan & Kayla, and the short time we had with Logan & the Hudsons. The Weapon X procedure definitely could have used more, but I didn't think it was done badly. Just missed potential.

But then the helicopter chase scene hit, and the movie turned into something completely different. Logan bounced around from Canada to Vegas to New Orleans to Pennsylvania in the blink of an eye, the Blob scene was just horrible cheesy, I did enjoy the Gambit scene and thought inside the casino Gambit was well done, but then that Gambit / Logan / Creed 3 way was all sorts of poorly edited. I don't even have to go into explanation on the fire escape. And then BAM! Logan is in Pennsylvania.

I did enjoy the climax, save for Deadpool being computer controlled and having Cyclops' powers but it did mish mash a whole bunch.

There's a reason why, despite still maintaining a high level of enjoyment from the film, X-Men Origins: Wolverine is my least favorite of the series, when in all actuality considering the stories told and the characters present, it should be at the top of the list.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Spoiler

Yashida needed someone pliable to turn the company back over to his younger self. Shingen wouldn't do that. Shingen was ambitious and already wanted the company for himself. He hated his father's obsession with mutants and his father essentially becoming like a mutant, Shingen would never turn the company back over to him. Shingen said he believed his father saw himself in Mariko and not him. Viper said that's why Mariko was chosen, for being "weak," unlike Shingen who was strong. Too strong. Mariko was said to have problems making friends growing up and Yukio was her doll friend. She was easily forced by her father into becoming engaged to Noburo.

I might need a second watch to catch more but that's where it's at in my head right now.

[BLACKOUT]Once again, there's no rule about not being able to retain control of your company if you find a way to make yourself younger. This is a world where mutants have existed for quite a while, so the fact that the forerunner of an advanced scientific company found a way to exploit that probably wouldn't come as a surprise.

The way it was presented in the film, old man Yashida only lost control of his company if he died. Shingen wasn't presented as being in any position to challenge his father. If Yashida got younger, he simply would have stayed in control of the company. Shingen would have been pissed, but that was about it. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Visiting Arkham]

[BLACKOUT]Once again, there's no rule about not being able to retain control of your company if you find a way to make yourself younger. This is a world where mutants have existed for quite a while, so the fact that the forerunner of an advanced scientific company found a way to exploit that probably wouldn't come as a surprise.

The way it was presented in the film, old man Yashida only lost control of his company if he died. Shingen wasn't presented as being in any position to challenge his father. If Yashida got younger, he simply would have stayed in control of the company. Shingen would have been pissed, but that was about it. [/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

I don't buy the implication that it wouldn't be a big deal if Yashida would have revealed himself 60 years younger and still retained leadership of his company. Given the lack of mutant presence in Japan and especially among the traditional Yashida family, I think it would have been a HUGE deal if this supposed revolutionary genius showed up looking radically different and ready to take up his former position. For the sake of the people of Japan, he needed a figurehead whom he could control, and that person was obviously the devoted Mariko over the ambitious, headstrong Shingen.

There is no way that just a few years after the attempted Presidential assassination by a mutant (X2) and a full scale act of war (X3) people would have been perfectly okay with an obviously mutated person being the most powerful person in Japan, and in the world.

 

[Loki882]

Japan is very big on traditions. If Yashida suddenly showed up decades younger, I can totally see people rejecting him. We don't know the exact rules, but it would be problematic.

 

[Arachnid]

Got back a bit ago, I thought it was good and I really enjoyed it. I loved the tone of the film. It felt so different from any of the other X-Men films. I agree with most that the last act wasn't quite as good as the rest of the film, but overall it didn't hurt the film that much. It was awesome seeing Logan being such a badass. Finally acted like the vicious animal he is!

7/10 for me. Really excited for DOFP now! I think Fox has done a great job the last 2 films, First Class and The Wolverine (my favorite 2 X-Men films) so I don't except any less from DOFP!

 

[Liam_H]

Since the after credits said 2 years later are they leaving that timeframe open for another solo Wolverine movie or is it in reference to something else I'm missing. But then again he still has his bone claws, can't see them doing a solo movie like that.

 

[danoyse]

Japan is very big on traditions. If Yashida suddenly showed up decades younger, I can totally see people rejecting him. We don't know the exact rules, but it would be problematic.

That's why he left the company to Mariko. She would be the public face of the company, and his plan was to stay hidden.

 

[Loki882]

I know that, I was addressing the poster who said that him faking his death made no sense danoyse.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Japan is very big on traditions. If Yashida suddenly showed up decades younger, I can totally see people rejecting him. We don't know the exact rules, but it would be problematic.

Spoiler

Money talks louder than anything else. And even if people didn't like it, it wouldn't matter. They would have no legal grounds to dismiss him.

Regardless, the other point is that the movie didn't present that issue. If it had, again the plot would have made a bit more sense. But it didn't. Which is unfortunate, because it would only have taken a few lines of something to that degree, or a few lines saying that Shingen was ready to unseat him and the plot would have been justified. Since they didn't do that, it was pointless.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That's why he left the company to Mariko. She would be the public face of the company, and his plan was to stay hidden.

I would have been okay with that, if they had said anything in the movie to indicate that he needed to do that. I do really like the movie, but it is unfortunate that it has some large plot holes that could have been fixed by a few lines of dialogue.

 

[Loki882]

He would have suddenly shown up 60+ years younger, there would have been problems. I don't need everything spoon fed to me, I can figure things out on my own. Japan is a traditional place, and Mutants are still hated a feared. At the very least, Yashida would have had some serious explaining to do.