The Wolverine Let The Claws Do The Talking - Rate & Review "The Wolverine"

[Paladin-Hoss]

I think the lack of box office for X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine is a combination of things.

I would probably agree with you that the general audience didn't "love" it. But in all honesty, I don't think the general audience "loved" any of these movies. They are good. The audience likes them. But these movies aren't changing Hollywood.

Well, when i say 'loved'..i mean that they liked it enough that they wanna see another one of those. And i think this is were XLS and origin ultimately failed.Not necessarily because they thought that XLS would be the last chapter.

Another example would be TDKR.Everybody loved how it ended the trilogy.But i'll bet my lunch money that if Nolan and Bale comes out tomorrow and announce a 4th Batman film, everybody would be all over it.

I think that has more to do with a lackluster box office than some notion that the GA "hated" X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which they didn't, and anyways that doesn't hold much anyways because the LAST movie of the franchise to come out, X-Men: First Class, was beloved by like... everyone.

That's also an interesting point about first class.Everybody , like you said, seems to loved the movie, but i think most of them found out about how good that movie was when everything was all over, the initial response from the GA when the trailers came out was 'meh'

 

[Lord]

And if someone thinks that it will discredit me:

That's Hugh Jackman talking to me. Your argument is invalid.

I never intented to discredit you, just wanted to knpw why you gave 9 to X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Either way congratulations for meeting Hugh Jackman

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Batman is an entirely different being than X-Men. Batman is like... one of the biggest and most important characters in American pop culture. The American public would be all over a new Batman movie regardless of if the last movie was The Dark Knight Rises or Batman & Robin.

As far as X-Men: First Class goes - whether the GA found out about how good it was after the fact or not, they still loved it. And if they loved it that much it should prompt them to want to see a new one.

But when the new one is advertised, it's got no well known characters, it has no connection what so ever to the rest of the franchise (the Jean Grey addition wasn't heavily marketed, and obviously people wouldn't know going in about the Days of Future Past tie in), it's easy to see why people might not flock out to see it.

Think of it like this:

The new Star Wars movies are coming out. Episode 7 drops. Gets people all hyped up for Episode 8. But instead of Episode 8, there's a Han Solo movie that comes out that has nothing to do with any other Star Wars movie. It's just... Han Solo's adventures on Yavin IV until he comes back for Episode 8.

People are gonna be like "dafuq "

We had a cohesive trilogy of X-Men, X2, and X-Men: The Last Stand. Each movie picked up the pieces from the last, and are a cohesive trilogy.

Then we have X-Men Origins: Wolverine that comes out that picks up the pieces of Logan's past that weren't explained fully in X-Men and X2. So we have 4 movies all working together to tell a story bigger than any of the films individually. No matter what one might feel about X-Men: The Last Stand or X-Men Origins: Wolverine, these movies were very significant to the overall narrative.

Then X-Men: First Class comes out. It's in the past, taking place before any of the other X-Men films. Has none of the known characters from the original trilogy except Xavier, Magneto, Beast, and Mystique. It sets up it's own plot points.

Then the next movie that comes out is... The Wolverine... a solo film that takes place AFTER X-Men: The Last Stand and has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with the movie that came before it just 2 years earlier.

To people who aren't following it closely like the rest of us are, it might seem like there's no focus or direction anymore. One movie takes place in the 60's during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The next movie takes place after the trilogy in Japan. No cohesiveness. No direction.

Except to those of us who are in the know, and recognize the importance that each film has to the whole of the series, and to the characters they are adapting.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Batman is an entirely different being than X-Men. Batman is like... one of the biggest and most important characters in American pop culture. The American public would be all over a new Batman movie regardless of if the last movie was The Dark Knight Rises or Batman & Robin.

As far as X-Men: First Class goes - whether the GA found out about how good it was after the fact or not, they still loved it. And if they loved it that much it should prompt them to want to see a new one.

But when the new one is advertised, it's got no well known characters, it has no connection what so ever to the rest of the franchise (the Jean Grey addition wasn't heavily marketed, and obviously people wouldn't know going in about the Days of Future Past tie in), it's easy to see why people might not flock out to see it.

well, Batman begins wasn't a box office succes, it wasn't a flop, but it didn't exactly set the BO on fire...because of Batman and Robin. But you do get my point, right? Batman or not, CBM movies has now more or less replaced the action genre,if the movie makers did their job right, the audience will keep on coming.

And you're absolutely right about one thing...FOX marketing team is also to blame here.

Anyway...we might wanna move this discussion to other thread as this one s intended for reviews only.Might wanna do that before Danoyse gets angry with us

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah not enough buildings destroyed.

If by "buildings destroyed", you mean "anything entertaining", then yeah

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Well, some of us find even the non action bits in Wolverine entertaining...

I'll take those scenes than CGI acid trips that were in some..other nameless CBM this year..

 

[BlackFox]

If by "buildings destroyed", you mean "anything entertaining", then yeah

Fair enough then this was not for you.

 

[Liam_H]

A few years ago FOX probably would have demanded the building at the end should explode just for the heck of it.

 

[MarvelU]

Fair enough then this was not for you.

True, it is not for everyone. It was not your typical superhero movie at all. Some guys in my theater said they fell asleep for the first two acts, which I though were the best parts.

 

[Poni_Boy]

You could be handing out the most delicious peaches in the world for free but you can'thelp the fact that some people just don't like peaches

 

[DorneyDave]

I get what the movie was going for. A character driven film.

It just so happens that every character besides Logan was terribly boring IMO.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

You could be handing out the most delicious peaches in the world for free but you can'thelp the fact that some people just don't like peaches

Ha! that's...actually very good!

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

A few years ago FOX probably would have demanded the building at the end should explode just for the heck of it.

Michael Bay still does.

well, Batman begins wasn't a box office succes, it wasn't a flop, but it didn't exactly set the BO on fire...because of Batman and Robin. But you do get my point, right? Batman or not, CBM movies has now more or less replaced the action genre,if the movie makers did their job right, the audience will keep on coming.

And you're absolutely right about one thing...FOX marketing team is also to blame here.

Anyway...we might wanna move this discussion to other thread as this one s intended for reviews only.Might wanna do that before Danoyse gets angry with us

I can give blame to marketing as well.

Fact is, while there was marketing hype, neither X-Men: First Class nor The Wolverine got the amount of pre-release marketing hype and buildup that X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine got.

And perhaps X-Men Origins: Wolverine had some level of impact, but I can't just say it's as simple as "X-Men Origins: Wolverine sucked, so nobody wants to watch the new stuff" when 1.) most non-fanboys seemed to like the movie and 2.) the last X-Men movie was widely well received by everybody.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

^^ Let's take this to the stealth express thread if you still wanna discuss this

 

[MarvelU]

Michael Bay still does.



I can give blame to marketing as well.

Fact is, while there was marketing hype, neither X-Men: First Class nor The Wolverine got the amount of pre-release marketing hype and buildup that X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine got.

And perhaps X-Men Origins: Wolverine had some level of impact, but I can't just say it's as simple as "X-Men Origins: Wolverine sucked, so nobody wants to watch the new stuff" when 1.) most non-fanboys seemed to like the movie and 2.) the last X-Men movie was widely well received by everybody.

True, these past few X-men movies have been "safe", they weren't marketed as much as X-Men The Last Stand. Lets see if X Days of Future past changes this in terms of marketing since this is a big event movie and it is due on memorial day weekend.

 

[kasjan]

8/10
Would be better if doesn't look similar to IM3.

 

[Blake II]

6/10
The movie was almost as boring as Daredevil or Ghost Rider

All it is is Wolverine fighting Japanese thugs, English translations, and an adamantium robot. No other interesting mutants, no familiar faces except for Logan and Jean (and the post credits), and to be honest the post-credits scene is much better than the entire movie itself.
There were no "holy *****" moments, all the girls were ugly except for Jean and the blonde, and the whole Japanese vibe made the whole movie boring as hell.

To be honest, The Wolverine is forgettable. No more stand alone Wolverine movies please. I'd rather see a stand alone of Magneto or Gambit.

Waste of my money except for the post-credits scene.

Can't wait for DOFP to see Magneto tear ***** up.

 

[BlackFox]

6/10
The movie was almost as boring as Daredevil or Ghost Rider

All it is is Wolverine fighting Japanese thugs, English translations, and an adamantium robot. No other interesting mutants, no familiar faces except for Logan and Jean (and the post credits), and to be honest the post-credits scene is much better than the entire movie itself.
There were no "holy *****" moments, all the girls were ugly except for Jean and the blonde, and the whole Japanese vibe made the whole movie boring as hell.

To be honest, The Wolverine is forgettable. No more stand alone Wolverine movies please. I'd rather see a stand alone of Magneto or Gambit.

Waste of my money except for the post-credits scene.

Can't wait for DOFP to see Magneto tear ***** up.

 

[Poni_Boy]

6/10
The movie was almost as boring as Daredevil or Ghost Rider

All it is is Wolverine fighting Japanese thugs, English translations, and an adamantium robot. No other interesting mutants, no familiar faces except for Logan and Jean (and the post credits), and to be honest the post-credits scene is much better than the entire movie itself.
There were no "holy *****" moments, all the girls were ugly except for Jean and the blonde, and the whole Japanese vibe made the whole movie boring as hell.

To be honest, The Wolverine is forgettable. No more stand alone Wolverine movies please. I'd rather see a stand alone of Magneto or Gambit.

Waste of my money except for the post-credits scene.

Can't wait for DOFP to see Magneto tear ***** up.

 

[Infinity9999x]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

 

[Hypestyle]

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It was definitely worth seeing: http://hypestyle.newsvine.com/_news/2013/07/27/19717514-wolverine-in-the-land-of-the-rising-sun

I wonder what else the actresses who played Yukio and Mariko can be seen in? They're both very attractive.

The movie's Harada had an interesting role to play, even though he obviously was not the Samurai.

..I was not offended at Logan apparently not knowing (or not remembering?) Japanese language/culture.

I hope the next film at least starts off with Logan having the bone claws.. who knows what drastic circumstances he might be compelled to go through to get them dipped in adamantium again.

 

[BlackFox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5kPUFxXYLs

 

[BlackFox]

I wonder what else the actresses who played Yukio and Mariko can be seen in?

Both their first rolls which is even more amazeballs, no doubt be getting more work though, they both seem pretty popular.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

8/10

best wolvie has ever been on film, Mariko and Yukio were fantastic as well.

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loved the bits with Jean grey, and it was ambiguous enough to have it all be in his head, or actually be jean in the white hot room (loved that she always wore white)

majority of the changes worked very well...

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loved the silver samurai changes (because it worked very well for the film) and the fact he wasn't a robot!, the fact mariko isn't killed, and i quite enjoyed VINO (viper in name only) I thought her changes fit. I also loved even the X3 and XO soundbites... it was nice hearing him scream "kayla" even though shouldn't remember her which does confuse me a bit... is wolverine's memory returning? because not only was there the kayla moment... but... he also remembered World War 2


as for the dislikes, the pacing was a little slow in some areas, and I got really lost by the film's end as to exactly what Viper's motivation and goal was... they made it clear she was only out for herself... but what would that mean?

 

[Frodo]

I loved it . I was really emotionally moved by it which totally surprises . I would say it was Marvel's first or closet thing to a drama in alot of ways. It reminded me a lot of Bladerunner and Skyfall. It's by far one of my favorite of the X Men saga. Hugh Jackman as always does an amazing job. I don't know about you guys but I would have totally stayed in Japan with Mariko at the end. Yukio was also really great . The only weakness was Viper who wasn't that great when compared to the rest of the cast but its a minor thing for me.

9/10