The Wolverine Let The Claws Do The Talking - Rate & Review "The Wolverine"

[Gianakin_]

I understand. What turned you off actually made the character stronger to me.

 

[The Infernal]

I think that's more or less it.

 

[Ize19]

I think that's more or less it.

To me, I realized the moment he put away his sword, instead of committing seppuku with the other generals. It was clear that his fear of death was greater than his sense of honor, and when it became clear that he brought Logan to Japan under false pretenses, that confirmed it for me. Yukio's failure to foresee his death was the icing on the cake.

 

[The Infernal]

To me not committing ritual suicide was just common sense. It's not a part of Japanese culture I really romanticize even if it was a different time period. There was nothing in the prologue that actually set up him being the villain. It makes sense in retrospect of the reveal, but there is no set up for it there. I never thought anything of it until right till the end when he revealed himself.

I was half sure it was going to be him when Yukio had failed to predict his death, but there was really nothing that said he was being false to Logan until the reveal itself. Like I said in previous posts if we had been informed of this other side to his character by other characters in between his faked death and the reveal then it wouldn't be such a disconnect.

 

[TheVileOne]

I had no idea what Viper was saying about toxins at the end. Something about being immune to the toxin of men? What does that even mean.

 

[Liam_H]

She prefers the company of women...if you know what I mean.

 

[Samayel]

anyone else is annoyed with Logan remembering the Nagasaki explosion?
i thought that he had amnesia

 

[Gianakin_]

Not total. He's been getting fragments of his memory back since X1.

 

[nogster]

My view.

This is Wolverine's best stand alone film. Although thats not saying much, as Xmen Origins: Wolverine was pretty bad. This film has a nice balance of character moments and action, and Hugh Jackman is as usual, fine in the the role that is like a second skin to him now. There are plenty of badass Wolverine moments but the lack of blood violence while he slices and dices multiple enemies is kind of off putting. This character needs an MA or R rated movie to justify his badassery. Also the climax and the villians grand scheme reveal is silly and predictable. Its entertaining but doesnt put a definitive stamp on the character like hoped, and is ultimately, just another decent superhero movie.

3 out of 5.

 

[LostSon88]

I had no idea what Viper was saying about toxins at the end. Something about being immune to the toxin of men? What does that even mean.

She hate men. Feminist to the nth degree...

Or Lesbian. Whatever.

 

[Project862006]

My view.

This is Wolverine's best stand alone film. Although thats not saying much, as Xmen Origins: Wolverine was pretty bad. This film has a nice balance of character moments and action, and Hugh Jackman is as usual, fine in the the role that is like a second skin to him now. There are plenty of badass Wolverine moments but the lack of blood violence while he slices and dices multiple enemies is kind of off putting. This character needs an MA or R rated movie to justify his badassery. Also the climax and the villians grand scheme reveal is silly and predictable. Its entertaining but doesnt put a definitive stamp on the character like hoped, and is ultimately, just another decent superhero movie.

3 out of 5.

disagree this is one of the few movies i think could of been rated r with how it was

there was plenty of blood maybe not as he sliced people but bullet wounds and the scene with jean

the Nagasaki scene logan was charred up and was quite disturbing sight

he dropped several s and f bombs throughout the movie

he killed shingen by stabbing him in the throat and it didn't cut away

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Of course it's a matter of perspective but why don't you name what exactly you found disjointed about this to try and help people understand? Because just saying that over and over makes you seem off center. What scenes were out of place? Where did the writers fail?

As far as lowing standards go, I don't personally know many people who do. But if you go into Transformers demanding Schindler's List you ain't gonna get it no mater who is writing or directing. At the end of the day this is a movie about a mutant in the near future who has metal claws coming out of his hands. If you don't embrace the genre it will disappoint you. Has nothing to do with lowing standards, because even old school critics appreciate genre movies based on entertainment value and good technical execution.

Exactly.

I hate people who play the "lowering standards" crap card. I like the movies that I like for the reasons why I like them and I don't need people criticizing my tastes or my reasons why I enjoy it.

 

[Lord]

I don't think the lack of violence was a problem in this film, it may not have had the blood and gore but the violence was still there. Let's be honest, Fox is never going to make an R rated Wolverine movie, that much is clear, but if all his films are like this i don't see the problem.

I think the last bit was the films weakest part, but it fortunatelly didn't get as stupid as Katana claws.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well to be fair yes Fox have allowed an R Rated Wolverine film to be made they just haven't released that version into the cinema.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I don't think the lack of violence was a problem in this film, it may not have had the blood and gore but the violence was still there. Let's be honest, Fox is never going to make an R rated Wolverine movie, that much is clear, but if all his films are like this i don't see the problem.

I think the last bit was the films weakest part, but it fortunatelly didn't get as stupid as Katana claws.

I agree with the first part. Would the film being bloodier make it better? Not inherently.

Let's be honest, the comic itself is pretty PG-13 for the most part anyways, and the particular mini-series that was adapted is pretty PG-13. I don't think that an R rating is needed for any X-Men or Wolverine film. PG-13 accurately hits the tone established by the comics.

I'm just happy that we got a film that so accurately adapted the comics. Obviously, there were changes to the source material as is to be expected, but accuracy wise, I feel that The Wolverine did the best job of the entire series to the story it was adapting.

Certainly better than X-Men: The Last Stand (which despite the obvious flaws, was actually surprisingly accurate to the Dark Phoenix Saga in many ways, and was pretty accurate overall to the Gifted run) or especially X-Men: First Class in that regards.

If we're talking just pure comic book accuracy, I feel like the series looks as follows:

01.) The Wolverine
02.) X-Men
03.) X2
04.) X-Men Origins: Wolverine
05.) X-Men: The Last Stand
06.) X-Men: First Class

Of course, none of the films are without their flaws to the source material, and even the least accurate of the films still hits a lot of elements right. And in a lot of cases, the changes to the source material work better than the comics' version did, so commentary about the accuracy to the comic books isn't particularly a statement about the film's quality.

 

[Project862006]

only one who needs an r rating is deadpool imo

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

I don't think even Deadpool needs an R rating.

IF there's a marvel character that actually needs an R rating, it would be The Punisher.

 

[Lord]

While First Class wasn't very accurate to the comics i think it's the one that looked more like a comic book, well, in least the 60s comics. For me the problem with that filmw as that they had to wrap too much, so certain things felt rushed.

X-Men Origins: Wolverine also felt like a comic book, and a very bad one.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree on X-Men: First Class.

I think it's the least accurate of the 6, but at the same time it also hit certain levels that the rest of the series didn't. I just got done watching it and I still feel like its my favorite of the series. It definitely got the biggest emotional reaction out of me watching it in theaters of all the movies.

First Class, X2, and The Last Stand all had the biggest emotional responses for me, and not coincidentally these are my favorite 3 of the series.

Origins did lots that I liked, but there was a lot of inexplicable bad in that movie too. All in all I still love it. X-Men and The Wolverine were just good X-Men stories, one based on a specific comic, one just telling the basic tale of the X-Men universe.

Days Of Future Past will hopefully be everything that The Last Stand was supposed to be. I just wish that Gambit was in it, cuz if he was, it'd be the perfect X-Men movie for me.

 

[Project862006]

but also fox and vaughn never said they were adapting the first class comic vaughn flat out said he called it first class because he liked the name

 

[BH/HHH]

Accuracy to the books is overrated anyway. I don't think you need to stick to the book, beat for beat. The core values were still there in FC.

 

[danoyse]

anyone else is annoyed with Logan remembering the Nagasaki explosion?
i thought that he had amnesia

He does. He had amnesia in the first and second movies too, but he had memories of Weapon X. He's always had flashes of memories that brought him pain. Getting blown up by an atom bomb? That's painful.

Seeing the full Nagasaki flashback was for our benefit, it set the stage for what was going to happen in the movie. What Logan remembered specifically about it was anyone's guess. He didn't seem to remember who Yashida was when he met Yukio, but since the trouble at the bar with the hunters had brought the cops, he left with her instead if sticking around.

He didn't seem to connect Yashida to what happened in Nagasaki until he was with Mariko and found the well. Sort of like in X2, when the flashbacks became more vivid when found the operating room.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I agree that panel by panel accuracy is unnecessary and In many ways would hurt the films, but I also sometimes feel like those standards are applied unequally as well. The Last Stand and Origins certainly don't get the same benefit of the doubt in regards to changes that First Class does, and I've seen more than my fair share of people who still haven't stopped complaining about changes made by X-Men and X2.

Otherwise I agree, maintaining the core of the world and its characters is more important than panel by panel accuracy, and I feel some changes are better than the comic version. That's why my accuracy list isn't a commentary on the quality. First Class and The Last Stand are probably my favorite 2 in the series despite being the least panel to panel accurate.

 

[Lord]

I do enjoy the changes they did in X-Men 1 & 2 and The Wolverine. While First Class had a limited time to show certain thing, the changes to Shaw and Magneto being a James Bond type of Nazi killer did work for the movie.

I don't think the real problem in X-Men 3 was comic book accuracy, i know many that were enchanted by the world set in the first and second film but then stoped caring due to Last Stand, i think it mainly had to do with killing so many characters, Cyclops even off-screen, and Jean Grey. May be strange to some fans but many dislike her character,

Last stand wasn't really a bad film but as years passed i came to start to dislike it a lot after discovering Bryan Singer's original vision for the film, the promise of x-3 and 4 shot back-to-back as 2 hours long each and serving as the conclusion to the saga, with x-3 being Phoenix saga and x-4 being an end to the long x-men/ Magneto seemed a lot more promising than what we got.

I think what hurts the x-men films is the lack of focus, Last stand was advertised and done to be the final film of the trilogy, yet it left so many strands open that it felt like a cliffhanger. With X-Men Origins they weren't even sure what to do with the series, it was supposed to be a new series of films but they didn't know where to take it from there. The 3 post-credits scenes are a good example, let's see:
1- Wolverine in a Japanese bar: It could have happened, but it seems like he didn't do much there since his major story in Japan was shown in The Wolverine, and he's dragged there with a big beard and all.

2- Striker is wanted for interrogation because he killed an officers with a bigger rank, was that even necessary? What were they expecting that to lead? A William Stryker spin-off? in x-2 he's easily talking with the presidente

3- Deadpool finds his head and can now open his mouth, from what we were told the Deadpool spin-off is going to be set in a different universe, so this also leads into a dead end

X-Men Origins: Wolverine was bits of plot trying to become a single story, and that was the problem. The last act was really jumping the shark, i mean, look at this:

Spoiler

It's not even about f*** over deadpool, the idea itself is dumb, when i was like 6 years old and was very into x-men i remember thinking about something like this, a sword as claws or something like that, but even then i found it too stupid since it would enable the character to move his arms.

I'm glad Bryan Singer is back in control, and FOX is trusting more in their directors and creative minds, i don't agree about puting the Fantastic Four reboot in that universe, it doesn''t really fit well, but they have a lot in the X-Men franchise to make an expansive franchise of their oun, that is if they want to follow the Marvel Cinematic Universe example

 

[BH/HHH]

Singer I trust with X-Men but I am worried about his ability to go big because he's always had a problem with making something look epic. Be interesting to see how he does with DOFP cause as I've said before he needs this film to be a success.