The Dark Knight Let's go ahead and clear the air about "the twist" or, "the spoiler of spoilers!"

[MouthForWar]

Nolan needs to remember he's doing a Batman movie, not one of his stories with a surprise ending, just do a Batman story and that is that, and of course the end should be surprising, but not done as a stunt that he pulls.

And, if someone dies it should just be Rachel, she's not needed and unwanted, also if they kill off Alfred or Gordon I'd puke, you don't do that. They wanted to be more faithful, well then you don't get rid of the main people!!! Watch your step Nolan, don't "F" with The Batman.

Do you have any idea how many Batman stories in the comics end with surprise endings?

MOST OF THEM

 

[KILLING JOKER]

Nolan needs to remember he's doing a Batman movie, not one of his stories with a surprise ending, just do a Batman story and that is that, and of course the end should be surprising, but not done as a stunt that he pulls.

And, if someone dies it should just be Rachel, she's not needed and unwanted, also if they kill off Alfred or Gordon I'd puke, you don't do that. They wanted to be more faithful, well then you don't get rid of the main people!!! Watch your step Nolan, don't "F" with The Batman.

Somewhere at Warner Bros they are calling security

 

[senormitchell]

how about....

oswald cobblepot is one of the last crime bosses who funds the joker.

Cobblepot needs to be in this series. Seriously. What's the point of the whole "freaks vs the mob" if no one thinks the mob has a chance to win.

Put cobblepot in there, and let him "play both ends of the deck against the middle" by funding the joker (since historically they've had a good relationship) and at the same time helping batman take out the freaks....

Audiences will think Penguin could win, but they won't think Maroni will......

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

oh great
So, it´s true, they ended going for the easy way out, with The Joker killing someone important to Bruce.

So, in the end, lost will be the reason why The Joker is Batman´s main enemy (because they are total opposites, one represents chaos, and the other represents order); and we will having something like The Joker is Batman´s main enemy because he killed his.....dog.

 

[turtlefocker]

We do not know for sure that they went the easy way out with Joker killing someone. It is just speculation.

 

[cryptic name]

oh great
So, it´s true, they ended going for the easy way out, with The Joker killing someone important to Bruce.

So, in the end, lost will be the reason why The Joker is Batman´s main enemy (because they are total opposites, one represents chaos, and the other represents order); and we will having something like The Joker is Batman´s main enemy because he killed his.....dog.

because joker's never killed anyone important to batman in the comics...

 

[cryptic name]

That would be great jyust for the fact that they ruined the character, Loeb's white.

him being white had ZERO to do with the character in Year One. if they did anything wrong, it was failing to show how corrupt he was. his race is a total non issue

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

because joker's never killed anyone important to batman in the comics...

After The Joker was introduced, so, the killing is not the reason of the rivalry.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I think most know the melodrama surrounding the backstory and those involved. the following has been posted on a public forum. let's go ahead and quit pretending unconfirmed information is the end-all, be-all truth and quit handling things with kid gloves. for the most part, we're all adults and capable of running our own lives and making decisions for ourselves without need for others to make those decisions for us.

Spoiler

"I will say this: The "twist" I heard of is that someone dies. And I know who. See what I mean about it's so big that no one wants to let the lips be the one that released. They said someone dies, and they do. But they don't wanna say, and I'm still not saying." - Anjow

so we can discuss the veracity of this, and we can discuss the likely candidates (if true).

Here's how i see it going down

Spoiler

Gordon will fake his Death

,

Spoiler

The Acid The Joker throws on Harvey will burn half of his face off (and he'll appear to be dead), When in fact he's not.

But the real death will be Rachel's which will set Bruce off pissed of mad to take down The Joker .

 

[cryptic name]

After The Joker was introduced, so, the killing is not the reason of the rivalry.

nor does it have to be in the movie, it could be just one more thing to add to the rivalry. if it even happens at all, at this point nothing is too certain.

 

[Sub-Zero]

yeah i think you make the most sense, Kal-el8. i really hope that is what happens. gordon needs to become the commish, and you can't kill alfred so early on.

 

[TromaFreak64]

Here's how i see it going down

Spoiler

Gordon will fake his Death

,

Spoiler

The Acid The Joker throws on Harvey will burn half of his face off (and he'll appear to be dead), When in fact he's not.

But the real death will be Rachel's which will set Bruce off pissed of mad to take down The Joker .

To make some things clear - we ALREADY know from the cast call sheets that Gordan fakes his death.

It's in scene 142 where Barbara is told of Gordon's death.

He later returns home around scene 201.

We also know they do think Dent is dead after the court room event, since he disappears... but Wayne and Alfred continue searching hospitals looking for admittance around scene 262--now we don't know for sure he is looking for Dent... maybe something happened with the Joker and Wayne suspects he is alive, but it's like he is looking for Dent. Since by scene 306, Dent appears to confront Maroni in his car.

Since Alfred is still around at the end helping Wayne, it doesn't seem logical he would die, and Wayne is not not worried about his company's future, so it's not Lucious Fox.

Twoface however calls Barbara in scene 318 with instructions. Now if a certain someone was alive, don't you think Dent would have called her... Of course that's a little speculating, but it's logical none the less.

 

[mrbrownie]

I think we're focusing the "Twist Ending" part in just scenes or the same story we know, but it could mean how it'll makes us feel, yes we all know Rachel dies, big whoop, BUT the twist will be making us feel Batman's rage and desperation, it'll make us WANT to kill The Joker, and we'll go MAD as Batman, feeling all this wrath, won't be able to finish off The Joker

 

[TromaFreak64]

I am pretty sure by the way, that Dent is upset over the ordeal as well... early indication is that he is having an affair with Rachel.

Plus to clear it up, it does not appear the Joker will scar Dents face. It will not be Sal Maroni either - thanks to the changes in the plot, he won' testify against himself. It will be Rossi, one of his men.

However with the way things appear, maybe, you are right mrbrownie... It sounds like the ending will be very downbeat. I can't find anything to confirm what happens to Joker yet, but Dent gets away and is turned to a monster, Sal Maroni gets away, and there is a very good chance Rachel dies, and Joker gets a way... I mean it may be the Empire Strikes Back of this series.. very angry type of ending... and downbeat.
Regardless the "twist ending" will probably having something to do with Dent's phone call to Barbara with instructions... I'm still not really sure why he is calling at the end.

 

[Sub-Zero]

To make some things clear - we ALREADY know from the cast call sheets that Gordan fakes his death.

It's in scene 142 where Barbara is told of Gordon's death.

He later returns home around scene 201.

We also know they do think Dent is dead after the court room event, since he disappears... but Wayne and Alfred continue searching hospitals looking for admittance around scene 262--now we don't know for sure he is looking for Dent... maybe something happened with the Joker and Wayne suspects he is alive, but it's like he is looking for Dent. Since by scene 306, Dent appears to confront Maroni in his car.

Since Alfred is still around at the end helping Wayne, it doesn't seem logical he would die, and Wayne is not not worried about his company's future, so it's not Lucious Fox.

Twoface however calls Barbara in scene 318 with instructions. Now if a certain someone was alive, don't you think Dent would have called her... Of course that's a little speculating, but it's logical none the less.

hmm...it could be that twoface doesn't know about gordon being alive. and why would he be calling with instructions? instructions for what? there are so many spoilers out there and i doubt anyone outside teh production can piece anything together. it definitely can't be gordon. he and batman try to clean the city and bats helps him work his way up to commish. gordon can't die.

 

[Anjow1060]

......how the hell is this thread still open?

- Jow

 

[itsthebatman]

To make some things clear - we ALREADY know from the cast call sheets that Gordan fakes his death.

It's in scene 142 where Barbara is told of Gordon's death.

He later returns home around scene 201.

We also know they do think Dent is dead after the court room event, since he disappears... but Wayne and Alfred continue searching hospitals looking for admittance around scene 262--now we don't know for sure he is looking for Dent... maybe something happened with the Joker and Wayne suspects he is alive, but it's like he is looking for Dent. Since by scene 306, Dent appears to confront Maroni in his car.

Since Alfred is still around at the end helping Wayne, it doesn't seem logical he would die, and Wayne is not not worried about his company's future, so it's not Lucious Fox.

Twoface however calls Barbara in scene 318 with instructions. Now if a certain someone was alive, don't you think Dent would have called her... Of course that's a little speculating, but it's logical none the less.

Do you have a link to these call sheets? I never knew we had this much info.

 

[gdw]

Gordon "died" in the frightening. That script was VERY well written.

Perhaps it is Barbara who dies.

 

[sasquatchs]

Do you have a link to these call sheets? I never knew we had this much info.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=281658&page=7

 

[turtlefocker]

To make some things clear - we ALREADY know from the cast call sheets that Gordan fakes his death.

It's in scene 142 where Barbara is told of Gordon's death.

He later returns home around scene 201.

We also know they do think Dent is dead after the court room event, since he disappears... but Wayne and Alfred continue searching hospitals looking for admittance around scene 262--now we don't know for sure he is looking for Dent... maybe something happened with the Joker and Wayne suspects he is alive, but it's like he is looking for Dent. Since by scene 306, Dent appears to confront Maroni in his car.

Since Alfred is still around at the end helping Wayne, it doesn't seem logical he would die, and Wayne is not not worried about his company's future, so it's not Lucious Fox.

Twoface however calls Barbara in scene 318 with instructions. Now if a certain someone was alive, don't you think Dent would have called her... Of course that's a little speculating, but it's logical none the less.

Great post TromaFreak64 you're theories are always a pleasure. This one seems very likely to happen (Rachel dying) based on the call sheets and set reports.

......how the hell is this thread still open?

- Jow

People are still interested in the TWIST enough to keep a decent discussion going. This is one of the better threads here.

 

[TromaFreak64]

this really is one of the better threads.... But to respond to someone else, it would be kind of repetitive if Gordan faked his death early on in the film, returns from his faked death, then later died for REAL.... It just seems very unlikely and doesn't seem to match up with the information we have.

 

[itsthebatman]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=281658&page=7

Thank you. And this info is 100%? Sweet. Bloody hell, it's gonna be epic.

 

[CARNAGE-COMETH]

Batman Dies!

We will get a new Bruce Wayne for Nolan's Batman 3.

BAIN!

 

[turtlefocker]

"Look, people always say 'Whats this superhero movie about?' and I go, well in my superhero movie... Superman doesn't care about humanity. Batman can't get it up, and the bad guy wants World Peace." -Zak Snyder
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Do you have a link to that interview?

 

[xxAPCxx]

sorry if someone already mentioned this but dont have the time to read through all the pages - my guess would be rachel just because they had mentioned before that batman will do something that will make you realize why he's called the dark knight and my guess is that the gash on the jokers face is inflicted by batman and they have that picture with the joker with a knife on rachel and he doesnt have the gash yet in that one. so thats my two cents.