Lets settle this: Avengers movie - Avengers or Ultimates based?

[The Caped Knight]

I'd say The original Avengers with spidey.

 

[Elongated_Yen7]

The Ultimates has a more cinematic feel.. besides, the thing I'm worried about is if the Thor movie, Iron Man movie, and Hulk movie are all gonna fit into this Avengers Movie continuity or is it gonna establish another one..

I'm rooting for Sam "Mutha *****in'" Jackson as Nick Fury.

 

[Grim Goblin]

The Ultimates has a more cinematic feel.. besides, the thing I'm worried about is if the Thor movie, Iron Man movie, and Hulk movie are all gonna fit into this Avengers Movie continuity or is it gonna establish another one..

I'm rooting for Sam "Mutha *****in'" Jackson as Nick Fury.

I concur, as long as Spidey comes swinging out of nowhere and punches his eye patch straight off the socket!

So sick and tired of Ult Nick Fury!

Oh, and despite the fact that I love the Ultimates, Avengers Assemble!!!

 

[Elongated_Yen7]

So sick and tired of Ult Nick Fury!
!!!

Come on!
You'd rather have David Hasselhoff?

 

[CaptainCanada]

I want George Clooney as Nick Fury.

 

[Savage]

...No. Nnnooo. No thanks. I like Clooney but he ain't Fury. Greying temples do not a Fury make. Either get Hasselhoff back (he was awesome, even if that movie did suck balls) or get Kurt Russel. Maybe even Bruce Willis or Michael Madsen.

 

[Noir]

Ultimates + Vision.

 

[GL1]

Heh... Ultimates.

There are those who want to see pure great heroes on screen finally. I say bollox. I'm not interested in seeing a movie about people who are always perfect, and always happy and have one black mark on their record. They don't even make comics like that anymore, why should a new movie be made like that? Having superpowers and kicking massive butt is enough reality-escaping for me... I don't need the Power Rangers hugging each other after the battle to feel like I've escaped.

The Ultimates already have the realism necessary for adapting the Avengers into movie-form. They have space to incoprate more 616 stuff (some cosutme tweaking) and lets face, it their horrible attitudes can be tweaked a little bit... they don't ALL have to be uberjerks... but it is fun because it provides interesting dialogue and conflict instead of a bunch of people sitting around a conference table agreeing. Again, they dont' make comics like that anymore, why movies?

And there's the convenience of the Ultimates movie writing itself. A Cap flashback beginning, a Hulk battle in the third act, Cap vs Giant Man and an big giant Alien Invasion battle sequence... great fun to be had by all.

And incorporating other continuities into the Ultimates is pretty simple... The Hulk and Iron Man go practically without saying... and IF there is a Captain America movie, even set in the present day, contracting him for the Ultimates is no biggie.

 

[Savage]

Eh. I prefer the whole ensemble thing. Just adapt their first story. Loki manipulating the Hulk and all of that. Ant-Man/Giant-Man and Wasp can be responsible for even bringing the team together by first going to Iron Man. Borrow from the Ultimates with Iron Man finding Cap so it doesn't seem like such a coincidence that they find him when they're forming a team. Thor comes in because he senses Loki's involvement and it goes from there. It's better than "We'll pay all of you to fight these guys".

 

[GL1]

Eh. I prefer the whole ensemble thing. Just adapt their first story. Loki manipulating the Hulk and all of that. Ant-Man/Giant-Man and Wasp can be responsible for even bringing the team together by first going to Iron Man. Borrow from the Ultimates with Iron Man finding Cap so it doesn't seem like such a coincidence that they find him when they're forming a team. Thor comes in because he senses Loki's involvement and it goes from there. It's better than "We'll pay all of you to fight these guys".

Perhaps so... as long as the movie is set in the present day and realistic to the point where I can say "If this science was possible, these people could, even WOULD exist as I see them here" then it's all good.

I'm against using Loki... I actually don't like "Ultimates 2" because of Loki's involvement. I think he's a Thor villain and it should stay that way. I'm much more for Pym accidentally creating Ultron and then Banner accidentally creating Hulk and then all their mistakes actually prepare them for the incoming Skrull or Kree invasion.

And another think I demand from an "Avengers" movie: Why "The Avengers?" It made sense in the midst of war, but unless they're going into the middle east to beat down terrorist butt, calling them "The Avengers" is pretty silly... as they're not avenging anything, at least not anything important. This is one place where just "That's how it is in the comics" just won't do.

 

[Noir]

I'm all for Skrull invasion!
Lets just make a live action adaption of the Ultimate Avengers Movie.

 

[Savage]

Perhaps so... as long as the movie is set in the present day and realistic to the point where I can say "If this science was possible, these people could, even WOULD exist as I see them here" then it's all good.

I'm against using Loki... I actually don't like "Ultimates 2" because of Loki's involvement. I think he's a Thor villain and it should stay that way. I'm much more for Pym accidentally creating Ultron and then Banner accidentally creating Hulk and then all their mistakes actually prepare them for the incoming Skrull or Kree invasion.

And another think I demand from an "Avengers" movie: Why "The Avengers?" It made sense in the midst of war, but unless they're going into the middle east to beat down terrorist butt, calling them "The Avengers" is pretty silly... as they're not avenging anything, at least not anything important. This is one place where just "That's how it is in the comics" just won't do.

I like Loki's involvement because it gives Thor a reason to be there. Even in the Ultimate universe it was pretty much to help his little environmental campaign. 616 Thor (which is the one I hope is used) couldn't care less about that stuff. I'd like to see Thor's battle with Loki reach earth and that be his reason for being there and teaming up with these guys.

The Skrulls are something I want to see in a Fantastic Four movie (just to see Superskrull).

As for the name, I agree with you there...But the name can come from something like Avenging the people Hulk hurt or that Loki hurt. It won't be an official name. Just a nickname that sticks...I prefer it to the Ultimates, which just sounds arrogant. It makes sense in the Ultimate universe because these guys are mascots. Celebreties. They're marketed as the Ultimate weapon of the government. It would just be kind of strange for the 616 versions (and by that I mean non-government run versions) to use that name.

 

[Noir]

Hmm.. What if they adopted the Utlimates with the original Avengers but updated there costumes maybe use Ultimate Vision.. and work in some of the 616 stuff..?

 

[The Question]

I personally would rather the avengers movie leant more towards the original avengers than the ultimates. I want to see an avanegers film which has actual super-HEROES. The ultimates are cool and they kick ass BUT at this point they are not HEROES. A hero only kills when neccesary, if marvel captain america is fighting zemo he tries to knock him out so he can hand him over to the police. Ok he might get out but you have to take that risk. Otherwise why not kill muggers, they will only get out of prison later to do it again. I want to see at least one more film like daredevil where the hero holds back from killing the villain thereby showing he is better than the villain.

That's a rather narrow veiw of heroism, I'd say. Also, how would you define "when necessairy?" There are plenty of instances in The Ultimates where the killing could have been classified as necessairy. And the ones that weren't were still in character (Quicksilver, The Hulk, and so on). Also, Cap did kill Zemo. And, of all The Avengers (with the exception of maybe Thor), Cap, the team's "boyscout," probably has the highest body count, seeing as how he was a soldier in a massive war.

Thats why they don`t want to have a 616 - ultimates crossover. The 616 guys would take one glance around and arrest the ultimates for all their crimes against the impoverished masses of ultimatesworld.

But The Ultimates didn't do anything illegal. You can't arrest someone who hasn't broken any laws. Well, you can, but it won't stick. And since The Ultimates are a special ops. military unit, The Avengers would have no authority to arrest The Ultimates anyway.

 

[Spider - Man]

They don't even make comics like that anymore,

Again, they dont' make comics like that anymore,

You say that like it's a GOOD thing. As a long-time comic reader, you don't know what I'd give to go back to 4 color pulp paper comics with "Still only (insert price here - less than a buck, that's for sure!) with people like Stan, and Roy, and Marv, and Gerry, and Len writing the corny dialogue!

Newsflash: comics aren't SUPPOSED to be real. A guy climbing a wall like a spider is realistic? A guy who turns green and grow 3 times his size when he gets angry is realistic? It's fantasy!

I liked the first Ultimates run ok, the second not so much! We can have heroes with feet of clay without them being *******s. And the 616 A team has a much deeper history to draw from.

 

[Noir]

You say that like it's a GOOD thing. As a long-time comic reader, you don't know what I'd give to go back to 4 color pulp paper comics with "Still only (insert price here - less than a buck, that's for sure!) with people like Stan, and Roy, and Marv, and Gerry, and Len writing the corny dialogue!

Newsflash: comics aren't SUPPOSED to be real. A guy climbing a wall like a spider is realistic? A guy who turns green and grow 3 times his size when he gets angry is realistic? It's fantasy!

I liked the first Ultimates run ok, the second not so much! We can have heroes with feet of clay without them being *******s. And the 616 A team has a much deeper history to draw from.

Personally I believe alot of people here might favor serious storys and dialogue as opposed to corny cheeky funtime stuf..

 

[Cyrusbales]

problem with too much backstory is that it's hard to fit into a movie, which is why the ultimates is more cinematic, even thought the avengers are better. If they can figure a good way to come up with the avengers without cramming in too much to the movie or missing important stuff out, then easily that's the choice!

 

[Savage]

Personally I believe alot of people here might favor serious storys and dialogue as opposed to corny cheeky funtime stuf..

You're probably right. Fantastic Four was EXACTLY like that but people said it sucked. Quite frankly it's one of my favorite Marvel flicks. I'd love for an Avengers movie treated like that. Like a spectacle of sorts.

 

[Art_of_Crime]

i would go see either version, and be just as happy. I think the Hollywood muckity schmucks would rather do the ultimates version though, it goes along with the style of the x-men, and the punisher. Less yellow spandex, and more of a pratical style.
We'll see
Spiderman and superman worked with little to no costume change, so there is hope for an Avengers style, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[GL1]

You say that like it's a GOOD thing. As a long-time comic reader, you don't know what I'd give to go back to 4 color pulp paper comics with "Still only (insert price here - less than a buck, that's for sure!) with people like Stan, and Roy, and Marv, and Gerry, and Len writing the corny dialogue!

Newsflash: comics aren't SUPPOSED to be real. A guy climbing a wall like a spider is realistic? A guy who turns green and grow 3 times his size when he gets angry is realistic? It's fantasy!

I liked the first Ultimates run ok, the second not so much! We can have heroes with feet of clay without them being *******s. And the 616 A team has a much deeper history to draw from.

There is certainly a place for corniness... I love "Who Wants to Be a Superhero for instance." And while comics aren't supposed to be scientifically realistic, they are supposed to be emotionally realistic. You are supposed to relate to these characters, if their motivations make sense and their powers don't, you can still relate to them... if their powers make sense and their emotions don't... you've got Aeon Flux.

"It's Fantasy" does not mean that we should have unrealistic people, but simply, that incredible physical feats are possible.

Again, them having powers has nothing to do with them acting like realistic people. I mean, do you understand the concept of a 'base assumption.' The base assumption of Spider-Man is that a radioactive Spider gives him powers. After that, everything is supposed to be realistic... and in the movies, it was and that's a LOT of the reason why they're so popular... because PP deals with real issues like rent, pining after an ungetable girl and a jerk of a boss.

The Ultimates team can draw on 616 history almost as easily as 616 can... especially if we're talking about developing a movie, where everything has to be reintroduced anyway.

 

[Savage]

Way I see it, these guys are getting 616 based movies. So put em together and you get the 616 based Avengers.

 

[Eros]

just mix both 616 and ulitmate, ulitamte is a tad more down to earth the the classic verison ,so add some things from their. Overall make them more 616, becasue the ultimates are bunch of assholds.

 

[Noir]

Zak Penn already wrote the script.. and hes admited that it is based off of the Ultimates.. So there you go.

 

[The Question]

You're probably right. Fantastic Four was EXACTLY like that but people said it sucked. Quite frankly it's one of my favorite Marvel flicks. I'd love for an Avengers movie treated like that. Like a spectacle of sorts.

If The Avengers wre done like Fantastic Four, I'd get the strong urge to set things on fire.

You say that like it's a GOOD thing. As a long-time comic reader, you don't know what I'd give to go back to 4 color pulp paper comics with "Still only (insert price here - less than a buck, that's for sure!) with people like Stan, and Roy, and Marv, and Gerry, and Len writing the corny dialogue!



Newsflash: comics aren't SUPPOSED to be real. A guy climbing a wall like a spider is realistic? A guy who turns green and grow 3 times his size when he gets angry is realistic? It's fantasy!

So, basically, you want to take the progress the medium has made over the past 30 years and give it a nice big "**** you?"

 

[Noir]

You say that like it's a GOOD thing. As a long-time comic reader, you don't know what I'd give to go back to 4 color pulp paper comics with "Still only (insert price here - less than a buck, that's for sure!) with people like Stan, and Roy, and Marv, and Gerry, and Len writing the corny dialogue!

Newsflash: comics aren't SUPPOSED to be real. A guy climbing a wall like a spider is realistic? A guy who turns green and grow 3 times his size when he gets angry is realistic? It's fantasy!

I liked the first Ultimates run ok, the second not so much! We can have heroes with feet of clay without them being *******s. And the 616 A team has a much deeper history to draw from.

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