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[TheVelvetOnion]

I liked The Punisher with Thomas Jane but i agree with him about how they wanted to go in direction of the movie. So i would write off Warzone movie... to me it looks and feels like a fan-fiction movie...

Instead i would have Thomas Jane return as The Punisher however instead of being set after the first movie, It would be set during vietnam war. The story would have a rambo-esqe feel to it, You would have Frank Castle whose platoon is hit hard and he's the only one that survives. He then goes on a single handed mission of revenge. He gets caught but learns valuble information about the enemy. He is then rescued by Nick Fury's team and the two join forces to take down the enemy. The end result is Nick offering him a job with Shield but instead Frank settles for a job with the police force to be with his family.

Think of this movie not as a Punisher Prequel but as a Nick Fury Origin... Hey you could even include how he lost his eye, the start of the shield organisation and his run in with several unsavoury characters.

 

[Joker8906]

I'm all for that I think Jane needs to come back if we as fans are gonna be happy again we need a SOLID script this time, because as much as I love the 04 version the extended cut kicks sooo much more ass because it has the whole Jimmy story in it.

 

[Nivek]

This Franchise needs about 5-8 years (at least) till they try it again.

 

[dft-313]

And a director who at least likes the character.

 

[Kable24]

And a screenwriter who understands the character.

 

[S. Grundy]

And a director who doesn't think that Castle would kill a kid.

 

[Kable24]

Joss Whedon?

 

[S. Grundy]

No Lexi said that in an interview after the movie came out.

RS: What about The Punisher as a character? Does he have a code? Would he kill women and children?

LA: He killed a woman in the opening scene! Didn't you see it?

RS: Yeah, last night. I must have been rubbing my eyes at the wrong moment or something. Which woman did he kill?

LA: Remember the mafia wife? The Don's wife? There were actually discussions about that. We went back and forth on it and we compromised on the fact that if she would go for a gun, he would kill her. Personally, I would have had him kill her just because she's sitting there. But yeah, and I do think he would kill a kid if the kid's out there pushing weapons or drugs. If he would see a twelve year-old at the school ground pushing heroin, he'd kill the kid. That's what I think. That's The Punisher. That's why people who love The Punisher, and know his mythology, and are so obsessed with him. He's not a hero, he's really kind of an anti-hero.

 

[Brendan]

But yeah, and I do think he would kill a kid if the kid's out there pushing weapons or drugs. If he would see a twelve year-old at the school ground pushing heroin, he'd kill the kid. That's what I think. That's The Punisher. That's why people who love The Punisher, and know his mythology, and are so obsessed with him. He's not a hero, he's really kind of an anti-hero.

Really? I'm scratching my head right now and reconsidering my opinion on some things in regards to her views on things. Please Lexi, go back and change that opinion.

 

[Kable24]

What...The....F****?!?!?!?!?!?! That ***** is on crack if she thinks the Punisher would ever kill a kid.

 

[S. Grundy]

I don't want to seem like I'm gloating, but I ****ing told everyone she was the wrong choice for this movie.

 

[Microchip]

I don't want to bring up Punisher MAX history or anything, but doesn't Punisher go through a youth gang in Up is Down, Black is White? I don't really know what that is, I'm just assuming they'd be like 13-17 years old, IE kids.

I might be wrong though. Anyways, I think Punisher's next thing needs to be a stepping stone to a movie, not another outright movie attempt. As I said in another thread, the Hulk vs Wolverine movie was great, and is doing a lot to build up the Deadpool fanbase. Plus the Deadpool being featured heavily in Wolverine, it's starting to look like he'll be a mainstream character.

He didn't just get there though, he's been building up. Maybe they should start Punisher somewhere lower down the chain, and work him back up? Maybe retool the character along the way, if the character is indeed the problem with the marketability?

 

[S. Grundy]

He only took out a nightclub full of mobsters (where in which he tells the woman to leave), and the sleepy gangbangers, of which none of them seemed to have been drawn to look particularly young, so I'd say they were in their 20's, 17 at the youngest.

 

[Microchip]

Ok, straight from the pages:

Reporter - "The latest victims of the Punisher's night of carnage are believed to be members of two black youth gangs"

The sleepy gangbangers come later, and this happens in between the mobsters at the nightclub and the part you're talking about. It just isn't shown, only alluded to by the media.

 

[S. Grundy]

A youth could be someone from the age of 15 to early 20s, I just don't see Castle killing a 12-year-old kid.

 

[Brendan]

Nah, he wouldn't. Think of the **** storm he would get from the media. Everyone would be on his ass for it. Let alone killing anyone that young would obviously bring a guilt trip down on him big enough to take his own life. We just saw that in the previous MAX series when he traveled down to Mexico and someone tried to get him to believe he had killed a kid. Its not a 12 year old's fault he's hooked on smack to begin with. A child is incapable of making an adult choice. He wants to prevent the kind of **** that happened to him and his family, not be the cause of it.

Frank would never kill a child. As for a woman.... Well we've all read Mother Russia, The Slavers, and of course Widowmaker. There are some evil *****es in this world. As for evil children... This isn't exactly the Halloween universe Frank is living in.http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/freighter-dvd1.jpg

 

[S. Grundy]

Yeah he would kill a woman if she was into some horrible horrible ****, though I don't think he would just kill a mob wife for just sitting there.

 

[Microchip]

Wasn't she pulling a gun on him though? It wasn't really a situation where he could disarm her and just give her a light bump on the head.

 

[S. Grundy]

Yeah, that's justifiable, but Alexander was saying she would have had Frank kill her for just sitting there. If it was in Frank's character to just kill mob wives and girlfriends like that in the first MAX issue he would have just waltzed in with the M60 and sprayed everyone down instead of luring out the men to the back.

 

[T.Bickle]

****, the Frank Castle I know would NEVER think of hurting a child, or a women for just sitting there.

and I agree with Micro, I think It'd just be a good idea to build the character up, like Deadpool.

Maybe a TV series on HBO, and then have him featured in a SHIELD movie, or spider-man....

 

[fat freddys cat]

****, the Frank Castle I know would NEVER think of hurting a child, or a women for just sitting there.

and I agree with Micro, I think It'd just be a good idea to build the character up, like Deadpool.

Maybe a TV series on HBO, and then have him featured in a SHIELD movie, or spider-man....

in the marvel knights series (on going) issue 19 Jan 2003, frank states quite clearly that he has shot a kid in the past...........

 

[T.Bickle]

To Be honest, I've only read a handful of MK issues...and I mainly said that because I was pissed...and I ****ing hate Lexi......but, There are a LOT of different factors, I mean How old is "Still a Kid," Does he have weapon, is he endangering others....**** like that, but I mean if he's pushing Drugs or something, I think Frank would just intimidate him.....and pretty much just scare him to the point he'll go straight.....

 

[Adam3482009]

I don't really like the Punisher character that much like some of you here do. The stories I got into but in terms of saying that he's a noble/likeable character seems kind of disgusting to me. The way Ennis writes him, he's pretty much another villain.

Here's a quote from another person who just started reading Punisher Max comics (from http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=251656&page=28).

I gotta say, i started reading ennis' punisher work recently and... i just dont like it. I mean, its good but at the same time it makes me absolutely HATE the punisher. Ennis' interpretation has absolutely zero empathy and he just comes off as a disgusting pig. I liked it better when the punisher would kill people that absolutely deserved it, this version of the punisher would kill you if you stole someone's lunch money. Ennis' book is just mindless excessive brutal violence for no reason, and this is coming from someone who LOVES dark, violent, noir stories. I dunno thats just me though, i feel like i should have some level of empathy for the protagonist of the book i'm reading, but ennis' punisher has none. He might as well be a villain.

When I first read Ennis's Punisher I was under the same opinion (and still am) and wouldn't have put money down to keep reading them. However, somehow I was able to (I'll let you figure out how) follow the stories and was drawn to the sheer nihilism, brutality (on both physical, social, and pyschological levels), and just pure darkness I kind of felt as long as Ennis goes the semi-realistic route (which he kind of teetered off the brink on for a number of occasions), I'd kind of read into the next story arc and see what happens (even though in the real world this whole tongue in cheek thing by the police and lawmakers would be intolerable but hey, not a big fan of cops in general so this kind of works for me at least in the fictional world). The characters so brutal, I wouldn't put it past him to do anything.

I think Lexi's opinion (maybe not her movie, which I haven't seen yet but will once it's on DVD) of the character works for me cause I don't envision the character as really that noble and more of a sociopathic freak maxed out beyond resembling someone whose human. I don't know how some of you guys can identify a character like this as your hero and someone you'd want in your hometown shooting people.

It's like some people have to defend everything the character does as riteous. It's ridiculous.

 

[T.Bickle]

Its simple, Frank Castle is Fighting fire with fire, and Doing what someone has to do, and what he thinks is right.

I agree with Franks methods, and the fact that he's never killed an innocence shows that he's noble at heart. Plus, after what happened to his family, he just kinda went over the edge, and kept going.

I'm sure if your family was killed in cold blood right in front of you and the people that did it, got away with it,you'd do the same damn thing.

His hole world was turned upside down....everything he believed in went out the window.

 

[Adam3482009]

So what your saying is that everyone should take the eye for an eye approach in life (or in Frank's case this is never satisfied). He's only a fictional character, I wish more people would realize that and not try to morally justify everything he does.

In real life you'd be ok with that? Fine. Says more about you than me dude.