Endgame Lets Talk Avengers 4 and what we know #Spoilers?

[scarlet-witch]

I think Steve loves Peggy way too much to go back and change the course of her life.

 

[LoganPool]

So since this is a SPOILER thread....here it goes:

-From a screening. Effects were unfinished and editing seemed in progress. Placeholder score.

-Opening scene is a silent montage of remaining Avengers + Nebula and Rocket immediately following the snap. The Avengers regroup on the battlefield. Steve looks more angry than sad now. Tony and Nebula board Benatar in silence. Hawkeye's family disappearing is not in the beginning of the movie.

-Title.

-Tony and Nebula in space. This goes about as expected. They open up to each other and Tony decides to give it one more try to make it back for Pepper. He uses what's left of his nano-tech suit to repair the ship.

-Back at HQ: Marvel arrives. They brief her. Shortly after, they receive a transmission from Tony. Tony and Nebula arrive at Avengers HQ.

-Team meeting. Tony is defeated and doesn't believe they can beat Thanos while he has the gauntlet. He and Cap have a pretty bitter reunion. He leaves to go be with Pepper. The rest of them leave to go find Thanos.

-Somewhere in here Tony returns to Pepper. He tells her that he won't leave again unless he's actually sure they can fix this thing, and she has to be prepared for that possibility.

-They find Thanos on his farm. He looks pretty sick and weak, and he's talking to soul Gamora before the Avengers arrive. They fight and the Avengers seem to have the upper hand. Thanos seems to realize this and tells them they won't be able to reverse the snap because the gauntlet is damaged, but he's willing to give it to them if they spare his life. He can't promise they'll all get out of this alive if they continue to fight. The team decides to take the gauntlet and leave Thanos to die alone on his farm but Nebula pulls a fast one and puts on the gauntlet to kill him. It blows her arm off and Thanos comments on how she couldn't even wield the gauntlet in its weakened state. The others hold Nebula back from Thanos and retreat onto the ship while Marvel captures the gauntlet in a stasis kind of thing with her powers.

-They return the gauntlet to HQ and they don't know what to do next. Bruce says he'll look for a way to repair it but he can't promise anything.

-Time jump happens. 5 years

-Some establishing shots and short scenes showing what everyone has been up to. Can't remember them all, but there's one with Tony and Pepper, and they have a kid. Thor is with the Asgardians. Rocket, Nebula, and Banner are still working on gauntlet but close to giving up. Cap has been using Stark's memory tech to relive old memories of Peggy. He doesn't seem to be doing well.

-Ant Man escapes quantum realm through a time vortex thing and finds his daughter, who explains what happened. He goes to Avengers HQ and they discuss what happened to him. They call Tony and Marvel in and they agree that they may have a chance at fixing things with this new intel. Everyone takes off in separate directions to get the team together and do research.

-Tony, Cap, and Marvel go to Wakanda to retrieve some of Shuri's info on the mind stone.

-Widow goes to get Clint in Japan. The scene starts with Clint reliving the snap. Clint is fighting some weird Asian gangster monsters.

-Rocket goes to get Thor.

-While everyone is gone, Banner has an incident with the quantum realm tech in the lab and merges his mind with the Hulk's. The group returns to Banner in Hulk's body.

-The Avengers meet up and prepare. Tony and Cap have an extended sequence here. They talk about moving on if they're successful, and Cap isn't sure he'll ever be able to move on. Minor time jump here, maybe a couple of weeks or months at the most.

-Tony explains the plan. They believe it's possible to repair/recharge the stones by exposing them to past versions of themselves. Tony, Rocket, Banner, and Nebula (maybe?) use Tony's memory tech to create a device to navigate through time using the quantum realm and memories. The biggest problem though is that they can't affect the future so they need to be careful and blend in when they can. They track the energy signatures of the stones through the quantum realm to find locations to travel to, making the whole thing a bit of a crapshoot. This is why they don't arrive at the most convient locations every time. Each stone needs to be transported and taken back in time (they make some containment thing for them.) Before they suit up, Cap stands up and says Avengers Assemble. He doesn't shout it in the middle of battle or anything like that. They manage to make it not cheesy. The quantum suits are just for travel and have a nano housing unit like Tony had.

-Pepper and Tony say goodbye.

-The activities of each time travel group happen at the same time. Ill try my best to remember how it goes.

-Thor takes the power stone and meets up with the past Guardians when they had the power stone in their possession. He's with Rocket and Nebula. There's a skirmish, but they're ultimately able to repair the stone. They return the power stone to the HQ gauntlet and Thor takes the reality stone to past Asgard to repair it. They fix it without issue. Thor has to leave knowing he won't see his mother again.

-Somewhere in the middle of this, Thanos is still on his farm and soul Gamora is talking to him still, even without the gauntlet. He's gone a little crazy. He feels a disturbance with the stones and soul Gamora explains how he is forever tethered to the stones. He turns out to have a beacon of some sort and calls the Outriders, suspecting the Avengers are up to something. One of their ships show up to his farm.

-Meanwhile: Tony, Cap, Rhodey, and Scott follow a powerful energy signature and end up in the Battle of NYC. Lots of good Cap/Tony moments. Interavtions between present and past Avengers, particularly Thor and Tony. Tony takes the broken mind stone and is able to get it repaired. There's a funny scene where Ant Man shrinks and whispers things into Loki's ear to make him think he's going crazy. Cap takes the space stone and repairs it with Rhodey's help, who wears an Iron Man suit to blend in. Stan Lee cameo here. He's a pedestrian who is saved by the two separate Captain Americas one after another. He checks his glasses.

-Marvel transports the busted time stone with Widow, Banner and Clint.They go to repair it with help from Wong and the Ancient One. She warns them about consequences of time travel. They return the the complex some time after Thor and company returned the repaired power stone, replace the time stone in the gauntlet, and are surprised by an attack on HQ by the Outriders.

-Marvel and Hulk hold back the onslaught and it's left to Widow and Clint to protect the gauntlet from any stragglers.They miraculously hold the army back until more Avengers finish their quantum shenanigans and return. Thanos comes down to join the fight. He gets the gauntlet with the repaired power and time stones in it. He heals himself and the gauntlet with the two repaired stones. He proceeds to absolutely wreck the Avengers in a crazy fight, collecting the reality and mind stone as he fights through them. Tony and Rhodey use new armor. Rhodey is killed sacrificing himself so that the group can escape through a portal created by Cap after he successfully wields the space stone.

-The gang are in hiding at a hidden backup HQ. They're all pretty broken up. They decide to make a final push against Thanos with the space stone, deciding there's no way they could win without it.

-Thanos is super pissed. He goes to NYC with the Outriders and just starts destroying everything to bait out the Avengers in hopes of getting the final stone.

-The group recruit some extra help. Wakandans. Asgardians. Pepper insists on coming and Tony gives her armor. They launch an assault on Thanos.

-The fight goes well at first. Cap uses the space stone to launch surprise attacks on Thanos. But, Thanos is able to rebuild the gauntlet after he tricks Cap and steals the stone from him. He's also able to repair the soul stone with the power of the other 5 stones, much to everyone's surprise.

-Things get worse and worse. He's pretty much kicking their asses. Thanos says that once they're all dead he plans to clear out another 50 percent of the population to teach them all a lesson. He bloodthirsty at this point.

- Thanos' hubris gets the better of him and Clint is able to knock the soul stone out of the gauntlet with a surprise attack. Thor wields the soul stone and is teleported to a strange place where he talks with his dead relatives. Gets a pep talk. He comes back and resurrects the fallen heroes with the soul stone. They attack.

-So much happens in this fight and everyone has a moment to shine, but I don't remember all of it. Marvel knocks a stone out of the gauntlet, so does Scarlett Witch and Strange. Once all of the stones are removed and gathered by various Avengers, Hulk and Thanos have their rematch. Hulk holds him down and Nebula is able to remove the gauntlet and hand it off to Marvel as Thanos crushes and kills her.

-Another wave of Outriders hit the city. Hulk and most of the Avengers are tied up. Marvel reassembles the gauntlet with the help of Spider-Man and the Guardians before she is attacked and tossed to the side by Thanos. Cap faces Thanos head on and gets the **** kicked out of him but keeps standing up.

-Tony picks up the gauntlet and wields it. He snaps his fingers and disintegrates along with the gauntlet and the stones. The Outriders all disappear. Thanos also disintegrates.

-Thanos goes into the soul stone again and Gamora says goodbye to him before they both disappear, presumably dead. (Gamora and Vision seem to be permadead since they were linked to stones.) Time has been turned back and the city is no longer in shambles. Tony basically just turned back the clock. Everyone is back where they were right before Thanos' assault on Earth started. Only this time Tony and Thanos are gone. All the Avengers retain the memory of what happened.

-We get a pretty long epilogue. Thor has established a new home with his people and maintains a friendship with Rocket and the Guardians. Cap has joined Fury in a leadership role at the new Shield. He puts his picture of Peggy away in a drawer. Accords have been reversed. Clint is back with his family. They all meet up together with basically every character for a Tony Stark memorial. It's revealed that Pepper was pregnant before the events of Infinity War and had Tony's child. Movie ends with Strange, Marvel, Spider-Man, Panther, Ant-Man and the Wasp at a new Avengers facility overseen by Cap.

-Mid-credit: Cap, Widow, Banner, Thor and Clint are having an Avengers reunion party sometime later. Playing beer pong. There's an empty Iron Man suit seated on the couch.

-Post credits: Dr. Strange arrives in Thor's new home and they explain to him that something strange has happened. He comes face to face with a weird cosmic being in the throne room, who promises him that repercussions for humanity's transgressions are coming.

The only thing that sounds iffy to me, is the part that says cap isn't sure he'll ever be able to move on from the fall out with Tony... that makes no sense because he was already starting to move on at the end of Civil War.

 

[Confusion]

I am really really not liking the idea that they have to "repair"(or what other leaks have said, "recharge") the stones. I actually hate it lol.
The gauntlet was made so Thanos can use/harness the power of the stones together. He does that, and all that power destroys the gauntlet. The stones can still be used(he used the space stone at the end of IW), just not multiple ones at the same time since now the gauntlet doesn't work.
I mean, they made it a point, in multiple movies, to describe the stones as freakishly powerful.

The leak a page or two back just sounds awful. I really truly hope it's mostly fake.
I don't foresee the Russos being that sloppy.

 

[samsnee]

Russo’s didn’t write the script. It would Markus and McFeely.

 

[Marvolo]

I've read on reddit (Marvel Studios Spoilers was the name of the subreddit) that a user says he/she's seen the same footage that thanoss described but that in the version they saw SPOILERS LEAVE IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS It's Cap who dies. Basically Cap gets to do what gets descrbied for Stark in these scenes, he takes the gauntlet, desintegrates with Thanos (and Stark is the one with SHIELD after everything).

So... Do you think they filmed two versions to throw people off? Personally, I'm divided. Both versions seem good, Stark dying would affect me the most given the thing with Pepper's kid and the fact that he started this story, but Cap is the Russo Bros' baby and it also makes sense for him to sacrifice to complete his "I don't belong here" arc.

Or maybe it's like Pokémon Red and Blue and depending on the version you see you get one death or the other.

That's what happened with Clue. They filmed multiple endings and put a different ending on different screenings. And different regions got different ending during the regular release. So no one could spoil the ending for everyone. It was only after the film came out on home video that all the different endings were included as "what ifs".

 

[Joefixit]

Those spoilers seem underwhelming. Well to clarify it seems underwhelming to me as a hulk fan. Total embarrassment in one movie back to a supporting minor role in this film. No payoff whatsoever.. Makes you wonder why didn’t they just go with the original plan to have him bust out of the hulk buster in infinity war and call it a day.

Hopefully he gets a little more than what’s described in those spoilers.. at least one epic scene... but if not then at least he finally makes it through a film without getting absolutely throttled for the first time since Avengers 1. Not even upset about it anymore.. Godzilla is on the horizon !!

 

[Thanoss]

I am really really not liking the idea that they have to "repair"(or what other leaks have said, "recharge") the stones. I actually hate it lol.
The gauntlet was made so Thanos can use/harness the power of the stones together. He does that, and all that power destroys the gauntlet. The stones can still be used(he used the space stone at the end of IW), just not multiple ones at the same time since now the gauntlet doesn't work.
I mean, they made it a point, in multiple movies, to describe the stones as freakishly powerful.

The leak a page or two back just sounds awful. I really truly hope it's mostly fake.
I don't foresee the Russos being that sloppy.

Remember, the gauntlet is healed by Thanos, the the whole thing it can be healed by its own stones...so in the end the other stones can heal/repair the other, reality+power can repair the gauntlet

 

[WBwins]

Those spoilers seem underwhelming. Well to clarify it seems underwhelming to me as a hulk fan. Total embarrassment in one movie back to a supporting minor role in this film. No payoff whatsoever.. Makes you wonder why didn’t they just go with the original plan to have him bust out of the hulk buster in infinity war and call it a day.

Hopefully he gets a little more than what’s described in those spoilers.. at least one epic scene... but if not then at least he finally makes it through a film without getting absolutely throttled for the first time since Avengers 1. Not even upset about it anymore.. Godzilla is on the horizon !!

Not sure what you mean.The spoilers indicate that Hulk solos Thanos in the final Battle.Thats a Big moment

 

[HammerDown]

 

[RoastBeast]

No. They're not doing that. The whole Steve going back in time theory is ridiculous anyway. He's either going to die or not die. He's not going to just call it quits on his new friends and the people he depends upon to go back in time and stay with the woman he loves. That's entirely and utterly out of character for Cap as he's been presented in these films.

Some of the set info included 40s stuff. It could have been a misdirect, but that would be a darn expensive one. And the one who makes the most sense in the 40s would be Steve.

eta: oh, what am I saying, 'expensive' -- it would be nothing at this point.

 

[shabadoo25]

Steve not forgiving Tony seems far fetched. It's the opposite that makes more sense.

 

[LoganPool]

Steve not forgiving Tony seems far fetched. It's the opposite that makes more sense.

I agree 100%. Steve was already starting to forgive/move on at the end of Civil War.

 

[samsnee]

Exactly, world has and is falling apart, and Steve is not the kind of guy to hold a grudge.

 

[TonettaK24]

Wish I never read that, how true is that??

 

[shabadoo25]

Wish I never read that, how true is that??

We will let you know roughly around 4/27.

 

[AvengerPA]

Do we know anything about what Okoye does in the film? She appears on the poster but not in any footage we have seen.

 

[DKDetective]

I agree 100%. Steve was already starting to forgive/move on at the end of Civil War.

I got the impression from the end of Civil War that Steve bore Tony no ill will whatsoever and just did what he had to prevent Tony from killing Bucky. He completely understood where Tony was coming from and sympathized with his feelings, but could not let those feelings result in his friend's death. It's why he extended the olive branch with the letter and the burner phone.

 

[shabadoo25]

Do we know anything about what Okoye does in the film? She appears on the poster but not in any footage we have seen.

I have a feeling she will be featured in the 2nd half mostly within Wakanda.

 

[harlequinade]

Man I'm hoping there's gonna be like 10 'leaks' and we won't know which one is true until we see the movie

 

[HammerDown]

I have a theory that the reason why Tony Stark changes to a different suit in AEG has to do with the time travel shenanigans and the fact that his newer suit is very similar to the one from Avengers and the battle in NY. So if he wanted to kind of blend in he would use a similar but upgraded suit to do whatever he needed to do whiteout being noticed.

 

[DKDetective]

I have a theory that the reason why Tony Stark changes to a different suit in AEG has to do with the time travel shenanigans and the fact that his newer suit is very similar to the one from Avengers and the battle in NY. So if he wanted to kind of blend in he would use a similar but upgraded suit to do whatever he needed to do whiteout being noticed.

Honestly, I think you are overthinking it. Tony upgrades suits every movie. Also, there are rumors of a time lapse, which would explain how we get to Mark 85 by Endgame. The appearance of the suit moreso has to do with Marvel wanting to give their best cracks at bring these characters' iconic comic book appearances to life. That is why Cap now has exposed chainmail armour. That is why the Mark 85 has simpler lines and the colour scheme of the classic red and gold comics suit. It's just an homage.

 

[HammerDown]

Honestly, I think you are overthinking it. Tony upgrades suits every movie. Also, there are rumors of a time lapse, which would explain how we get to Mark 85 by Endgame. The appearance of the suit moreso has to do with Marvel wanting to give their best cracks at bring these characters' iconic comic book appearances to life. That is why Cap now has exposed chainmail armour. That is why the Mark 85 has simpler lines and the colour scheme of the classic red and gold comics suit. It's just an homage.

It's just a theory but it could very well be that you just said.

 

[HammerDown]

Now why would Thanos need an interchangeable left hand without the gauntlet.

 

[WBwins]

Here's my prediction about what happens when the Avengers try to kill Thanos on the Garden planet. Thanos uses the remaining power in the Gauntlet to mind control Thor.As a result Thor attacks Capt Marvel whilst Thanos easily defeats the rest of the Avengers.

Capt Marvel defeats Thor but not without serious injury.Shes in no shape to take on Thanos now.

Thanos announces he has no intention of killing any of them.He has won after all.He tells them to return home and live their lives in this new era.

Thanos then reveals the stones are too damaged to reverse the Snap even if he wanted to.He gives the Gauntlet and stones to the Avengers as a mock gift knowing that it is irreparable

Avengers leave more depressed than before

 

[HammerDown]