Endgame Lets Talk Avengers 4 and what we know #Spoilers?

[OutOfBoose]

I'm surprised to see Hulk in LVP category. The guy restored half of the Galaxy, build time heist prototype, was in a few funny scenes and saved his comrades in a critical moment. I haven't see the film yet, but it seems they went smart about his evolution through the series. He isn't a joke like in Ragnarok or IW.

 

[djsunyc]

They can finally use Kang because the timelines have issues. Loki took that Tesseract in that NY timeline he was not coming back to put it in the original spot. That changes things along with Cap staying back, he is not a stone but a big part of the timeline.

you know what's going to be heartbreaking? when at some point in a future MCU movie, we find out that cap choosing to live a happy live causes something truly terrible to happen.

 

[legendkillin]

Dont forget that Bruce made a machine that can de-age people.

They can bring young Steve back any time they want.

By accident it was not accurate, don't think use it again due to not actually knowing what happens in the younger form.

 

[Wise]

Ned was snapped too probably along with the main school cast for Spider-Man.

Which isn't that remote or unbelievable.

5 people drawing the same result of a coin flip is only 1/32.

 

[Albright]

One thing I didn't get:
where was army of the vanished Avengers between Hulk's fingersnap and when they showed up at the battlefield.
The call from Hawkeye's wife made it clear, that the vanished eventually popped up, where they vanished 5 years ago.
But how did Doctor Strange assemble in such a short moment all the vanished warriors from Titan to Wakanda to show up all at the same moment at the battlefield?

btw Cap didn't Abandon the Avengers. Between 2012 and 2023 (?) there were 2 Caps (old and Young) , maybe 3 during the attacks on NY.

 

[djsunyc]

One thing I didn't get:
where was army of the vanished Avengers between Hulk's fingersnap and when they showed up at the battlefield.
The call from Hawkeye's wife made it clear, that the vanished eventually popped up, where they vanished 5 years ago.
But how did Doctor Strange assemble in such a short moment all the vanished warriors from Titan to Wakanda to Show up all at the same Moment at the battlefield?

my guess is that he saw all the potential future outcomes and he knew this is the one that would work so he knew exactly when/where/how to get everyone together.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Now that we know Cap isn't dead... yet... I do wonder if we'll see him onscreen ever again in the future. Obviously not in a major role or anything. But I more so wonder if they'll ever acknowledge when he does die and whether or not it'll be off screen.

No. Cap is done.

 

[djsunyc]

hulk with one arm.
cap 100 years old.
tony dead.
widow dead.
hawkeye retired.
thor in space.

the orig 6 are done for a while. maybe a thor movie down the road or team up with guardians but no avengers movies for any of them.

 

[Albright]

Another Thing:
where did Loki go with the Teseract?
Maybe that will be adressed in that new tv show

 

[Uncanny1]

Loki is alive and lose in the marvel universe now?

 

[Wise]

hulk with one arm.
cap 100 years old.
tony dead.
widow dead.
hawkeye retired.
thor in space.

the orig 6 are done for a while. maybe a thor movie down the road or team up with guardians but no avengers movies for any of them.

Did the film ever actually state that Hulks arm was permanently crippled?

Its in a sling at the funeral so it could heal. Hulk has a pretty robust healing factor in the comics.

 

[rebellion]

50% of the population returns and are 5 years younger than the rest of the world. and whats with all the people who werent snapped but died in accidents caused by the snap?
pick up after 50 years cuz thats how long it would take everyone to deal with ptsd.

 

[chamber-music]

Agreed. Kang seems inevitable now.

I've been saying for a while that the Avengers messing the timeline would be a great way to introduce Kang.

 

[Albright]

This has maybe been discussed last year, but why did Thanos sacrifice two "safe" Stones for the attack of the Chitauri?
The mind stone turned out to be the hardest to get in the end.
Because he couldn't wield them, until he created the gauntlet in Nidavellir? He could've picked them and stored them until creating the gauntlet in 2015 and then use them to easier retrieve the remaining others.
I don't think he has to make a sacrifice for the Chitauri, because he clearly doesn't Need them for his Endgame (except the battle at Avengers HQ in the end)

 

[Iceman]

I've been saying for a while that the Avengers messing the timeline would be a great way to introduce Kang.

Yeah, it makes too much sense. He has the perfect reason to be pissed.

 

[Shuri]

So I ended up loving this. Still don't like Thor's arc and Cap's ending, but it was a very good and emotional movie.

 

[chamber-music]

I also thought it was odd Nat didn’t get a funeral or anything.

There was no body to bury with Natasha and she had no family or friends outside of the superhero community (as far as we know since they said the Avengers were her family, she didn't know her own father was and was seemingly raised in the red room).

No point having a big funeral for her.

 

[Shuri]

And it’s the joint best arc of the film, with such a emotive payoff.

I was sat there saying “Iron Man” under my breath, even as Tony was struggling to say it himself before the snap. It was heartbreaking.

And then Pepper’s line about him resting....

Aaargghh! All of you who haven’t seen it and are in here really shouldn’t be!! You need to have experienced these moments for yourself!

It was the best arc, no contest. That scene broke me.

 

[chamber-music]

Agreed on all counts. It was more Banner than Hulk & I think it worked. We've had enough of mindless rage Hulk. Not to mention he undid the Snap, which more than makes up for the lack of Hulk smashing.
Banner Hulk's pretend smashing 'rampage' in New York was hilarious and 2012 Hulk's tantrum about having to take the stairs was funny as well.

 

[liveman789]

Yes he is, served his purpose. He was able to bring everyone back. That was his moment, he did it without dying like everyone else would have. His arm will be useless and he does not fit in any movies. Ruffalo is probably still signed on for 2 more movies.

Huge disagree there. They can just continue to keep doing what they've been doing with him since Avengers 1: Avengers and team up movies. He's perfect for it. There's no reason for him to just be gone now lol. He ain't dead.

Not to mention they don't really have a "science guy" anymore without him since Tony died.

 

[Shuri]

This will probably be debated until the Russo's clear it up, but is Peggy talking about Steve here in when she mentions her husband?

If so that's a pretty incredible build up/hint 5 years in advance.

No build up. I think they recently decided to send Steve back. They wouldn't have brought Sharon in if they wanted to end it like this. Sharon didn't work out and they knew most were expected Steve to die, so they decided to surpise us and drop Steve/Sharon.

 

[liveman789]

Did the film ever actually state that Hulks arm was permanently crippled?

Its in a sling at the funeral so it could heal. Hulk has a pretty robust healing factor in the comics.

No, they did not. Even then, he could just make himself a badass robotic arm like Winter Soldier. Not to overdo that trope.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ehhhh.... you gotta see the movie.

Spoiler forum doesn't do it justice. Lots of the info your looking for will be answered completely Saturday.

This guy is absolutely right !

One of the things that I truly feel like we were robbed of is some type of closure/finale to Thor's arc in this phase of his journey in life.

When they had filmed and written this movie, they had done so under the notion that this was Chris Hemsworth's last contracted film. There was no Thor 4 movie in development at the time.

So to end things for him where he just nonchalantly abandons his responsibilities to his people in favor of joining the Guardians is such dumb move.

There is no PAYOFF at all to Thor's arc over here. He just gets his old hammer back (for only awhile) and gets his ass kicked for the most part by Thanos (who isn't wielding the Gauntlet). Yes, he was out of shape. However, one could make a better argument that his character didn't need to go through this type of arc in the first place.

Honestly, I really have no desire to see another Thor movie anymore. What's the point now? I mean we will never see Thor fight alongside all of these heroes again. He's just going to be shortchanged in favor of people like Captain Marvel.

The Russos really gave a giant middle finger to Thor's character (unknowingly or not) in this film. I would dare say that they have done more damage to Thor's character than Snyder has to Superman's.

Ummmmm......no. Nobody has done as much damage to Superman's image as Snyder in B v S, not even the guy who came up with Superman having a mullet hairstyle or the stupid Superman Red Superman Blue crap.

Thor takes a backwards step, but finds his inner warrior again - he never stops being likeable, which Snyder's Superman certainly failed at until Justice League. We still care about Thor in Endgame....in B v S even when Supes dies we're just glad the movie is almost over.

Thor falls apart in this film but gets himself together - the payoff is his time with Frigga culminating in him still being worthy enough to wield Mjolnir.

I mean the only defense that I've seen, for the most part, to support the Russo's decision to do this to Thor is because his story is not over. But this was NOT the time to hold back on Thor like that, let alone to make him into the biggest joke of Endgame.

Dude it's really not that bad - Endgame is the end for Tony and Cap, and they deserved the time spent on them but Thor will go on - it isn't the end of his arc . If there was a time to emphasize those guys over Thor this was it IMO. Also in a film with such a serious main plot point some humour was very welcome and Hemsworth is actually a very funny guy - Endgame needed some comic relief and he serves it up to balance all the tragedy.

I hope you put all this stuff aside and just enjoy the film for its merits. I'm going for a second viewing on Sunday and I'll spare a thought for you and hope that you end up enjoying Endgame.

 

[Shuri]

Who else thinks the falcon and winter soldier show title is a placeholder and will change after end game? And Guardians 3 will probably become asguardians of the galaxy.

Yea, the show could have a different title. I'm really looking forward to it. And speaking of Sam and Bucky, I know I complained about Steve leaving the shield to Sam. But the way it played out on screen was satisfying to me. I seems like Steve already spoke to Bucky about it and maybe he refused. He was the only one who knew Steve wasn't coming back, others were waiting for Steve to reappear, he wasn't. And he wasn't surprised that Steve gave the shield to Sam, he even gave an encouraging nod for Sam to take it. I don't think he wants the title of Captain America, maybe he feels like he wasn't worthy of the title and I hope that will be explored on their show.

Concerning Asgardians of the galaxy, no way James gunn and marvel will change the title of a franchise because Thor might be in it. If he's going to be in it, he will be supporting. Hulk was in Ragnarok, but the title was still Thor. I'm really looking forward to gotg 3. I think its going to be about finding past Gamora. I'm so happy she survived. James gunn said years ago that gotg 3 will focus on Gamora. When she died in IW I was worried, but what he said always gave me hope she would be back. Now she is and I'm eager to she her become a guardian again.

 

[Lilbaz]

What dismays me about all this time travel stuff is the reaction that some are having to those who don’t feel it’s explained very well.

I’m seeing a lot of the same “you didn’t understand” rubbish I’ve read time and time again from Snyder fans about the plot holes and inconsistencies in his DCEU movies.

Anyone is perfectly free to think that Endgame explains its time travel perfectly well, with no issues, problems or inconsistencies... but that does not mean that you have the right to denigrate other posters because they feel differently.

This thread was very civilised to begin with, but now it’s started to descend into the same old rabid defence of everything in the film, because it can’t possibly be anything other than perfect!

People have lost the ability to have any critical evaluation, just because they have to defend the thing they love without any compromise.

It’s just... sad.

If someone said '''could you explain the time travel aspect, i didn't really understand it' then the replies might be different tonally to '''they didn't explain the time travel in the film at all' when they did a couple of times.