Liefield's Cable #1 varient cover

[Midnyte_Sun]

I'm not even sure what the trust of the arguement is really.



Liefeld isn't a good artist he isn't trained about anatomy or perspective, he taught himself, and it is clear from his work.



If you think it is just his style that lets him down. Look at people like Jim Lee, Eric Larsen or even Todd McFarlane (aka the people that started Image with him) who were all enjoying the same popularity at the time of Liefield and often employed the same styles (the idea of "house style" was still widley used at Image, Marvel and DC when they were all working there) - you can see how much better artists they are just from their anatomy, background work, lines, etc, etc.



However, the best thing to say about him is he puts a lot of energy into his work and I can understand why someone who doesn't care about the art as much or maybe doesn't have such a trained eye - would enjoy it.

Like a 13 year old right? When I was a kid Jim Lee, Liefeld, Silvestri, Valentino, Keown, and McFarlane were the coolest names around in comics at the time, some still are.

He's not my favorite style of art, but he's certainly not the worst either.

 

[LemonSunday]

Who Liefeld? Yeah, he's the worst.

 

[Crosis]

The thing is that even in those cartoony Bachalo and Ramos pics, characters for the most part maintain a consistent anatomy in relation to each other. Things look like they go where they are supposed to.

Liefeld's guns always look photoshopped into the piece. He can't get perspective right at all, and his backgrounds are next-to-nonexistent. Whether he's trying to be realistic or not, these are errors that are unforgiveable no matter what style you're going for.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Not sure who's artstyles influenced Liefeld (he's copied many...literally) but since he's self trained I have to say he hasn't really taken his job that seriously, but no offense, other than really devout comic fans, nobody would ever notice. Again though, realism is not his style, and he shouldn't be judged by it.

 

[LemonSunday]

Again, there's a difference between being judged according to realism and being judged according to whether or not one can draw hands and feet.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

If there is a difference, it doesn't matter because he's being judged for both. Unfairly, considering there are many comic artists out there who would fail the realism test as well.

 

[LemonSunday]

Since art is subjective, it's not fair or unfair. It is what it is.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Realism = the depiction of subjects as they appear in everyday life.

If your everyday life consists of people who look like art from a comic book, I'd have to ask what kind of drugs you are taking.

 

[LemonSunday]

Did I say that I thought comics were realistic, or something?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Honestly, I don't think we all hate him quite as much as we say we do. It's just so much fun!

Not sure how I missed this quote, but that makes sense. If its just for laughs, I'm all in...but Darth's 1st reply seems like he takes this stuff personal. Which ain't a healthy thing to do since comics aren't supposed to give you a migraine.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Did I say that I thought comics were realistic, or something?

I guess it was somebody else, sorry after a while I seem to generalize the negativity.

 

[LemonSunday]

All I've been doing is pointing out where your logic fails.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

In terms of subjectivity, I'm not really arguing that. My argument is people take his artwork too seriously...regardless of its merits or lack there of. If people just want to make fun of Liefeld's Captain America's GM corn fed breasts..I'm all for it..but to start nitpicking is just...taking it way too seriously...which is where the argument began...not on his bad artwork, but nitpicking it as if their looking for a tumor or a pathology...just relax and enjoy the sillyness of it.

This is by far the funniest Liefeld artwork:

 

[LemonSunday]

This is a message board for comics. It's for discussing, *****ing, nitpicking and whatever else goes along with it.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

So whats the problem?

 

[LemonSunday]

Isn't that something you should ask yourself? You're the only one going on about how people shouldn't rip apart bad art.

 

[Darthphere]

Not sure how I missed this quote, but that makes sense. If its just for laughs, I'm all in...but Darth's 1st reply seems like he takes this stuff personal. Which ain't a healthy thing to do since comics aren't supposed to give you a migraine.

Which first reply? The one where you try to marginalize comics in your attempt to defend one of the more hated artists in the history of comics? You don't know me very well, but I never take anything personal, I'm just an angry kid.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I'm not marginalizing comics by saying that Liefeld's art isn't supposed to be taken that seriously...again its comic book art...not Van Gogh.

 

[LemonSunday]

That's the worst argument I've ever heard. You're basically saying that somehow, because Liefeld's "art" is comic book related, it's untouchable. We can't say anything about it because comics are silly things that can't be looked at as "real art."

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

You can say whatever the hell you want about it. Thats what this forum is for. And hence my original argument, I personally don't see the point in nitpicking an artists work to death considering the material was never meant to be serious to begin with. He was and IS still trying to SELL books, thats what his motivation was and I understand that.

 

[Darthphere]

You can say whatever the hell you want about it. Thats what this forum is for. And hence my original argument, I personally don't see the point in nitpicking an artists work to death considering the material was never meant to be serious to begin with. He was and IS still trying to SELL books, thats what his motivation was and I understand that.

You contradict yourself. First you say we can say whatever you want, then immediately after you say you don't see the point. And unless you know Rob Liefeld personally, you can't 1) Claim his work was never supposed to be taken seriously and 2) He just does it to make money. While #2 is very likely, it's also a possibility he loves making comic books, and at this point and time, he doesn't care about the money.

 

[LemonSunday]

You can say whatever the hell you want about it. Thats what this forum is for. And hence my original argument, I personally don't see the point in nitpicking an artists work to death considering the material was never meant to be serious to begin with. He was and IS still trying to SELL books, thats what his motivation was and I understand that.

That's the same motivation behind every artist living off of their work. That's why when you go to a gallery showing, there are prices next to the pieces.

 

[Darthphere]

And why does he keep talking about Rob in the past tense?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

You contradict yourself. First you say we can say whatever you want, then immediately after you say you don't see the point.

Hold your horses there Darth. I said you can say whatever the hell you want, but I have a right to say its pointless...just like you said my comments were 'disgusting.'

And unless you know Rob Liefeld personally, you can't 1) Claim his work was never supposed to be taken seriously and 2) He just does it to make money. While #2 is very likely, it's also a possibility he loves making comic books, and at this point and time, he doesn't care about the money.

What exactly is 'serious' to you?

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

And why does he keep talking about Rob in the past tense?

He's kind of a has-been. I mean other than covers and his supposed YoungBlood remake that he isn't drawing, what exactly is he up to?