Look Alive, Wage Slaves! Presenting....Margot Robbie AS Harley Quinn! - Part 1

[craigaat]

Sharkboy be correcto.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Today is a good day to be a Harley fan.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Jekecy]

It's simple, you say you don't think she looks like Harley quinn, everyone has given you examples that she does in fact look exactly like her current comic book iteration

After you guys ignored what was said in the following sentence. We can go in circles all day, but I'd rather converse when points from both sides are clearly understood.

but now she just looks like a joker fan girl, in which people here have clearly stated...that's exactly what she is,

Harley's look hasn't ever been defined as a "Joker fan girl", in spite of what she is. If the next live-action batsuit adapted Stan Lee's redesign, are we going to cleverly respond "but that's what he is!" when people say it looks too much like a bat-man? That's what I mean by being intentionally dense. I believe you guys are smarter than that and understood the original statement.

and that there is no definitive iconic look for a character that has constantly evolved in the very short time (relatively) she has existed...how is that anything but reasoned?

There is no definitive iconic look for a comic book character who's design was unchanged for 18 years, and only within the past 4 has adopted a rotating suite of outfits?

No one is asking you to like it, you don't like the aesthetics of the character that's entirely your choice and preference, but end of the day she looks like Harley Quinn.

Again...I like the design enough.

And again...this "debate" isn't Margot doesn't look like Harley. It's 'her outfit doesn't scream comic book Harley'.

No one's disputing it's Harley-esque if she decided to go out and personalize her street wear. People just preferred an actual costume, but it seems to be en vogue ignore that point and crack fun.

 

[KillerWolf]

For what it's worth, I understood perfectly what you meant to say.

 

[The Joker]

I love it

 

[Two-Face]

That's awesome! I'm slightly like this Harley.

 

[Mad Love]

If we’re going to be intentionally dense, then yes, we can simply boil down Harley as a mere fan girl and thus make no attempt to distinguish her from the many geeks in the real world with that of her actual canonical appearances. That logic quickly deteriorates when applied to many beloved comic book characters, but I suspect many of you have already realized this and for whatever reason have opted for the “lalala what are you talking about?!? :insertemoticon:” response.

That’s fine.

For what it’s worth I’ve grown to accept and even appreciate this direction, but clearly reasoned discussions here are quickly shrugged off.

Sorry you can't reason or explain well enough that you have to resort to insults and calling people dense. Your argument just isn't very convincing.

 

[QueenChaos]

I want us to go on a killing spree and make mad, passionate love ontop all the corpses

There'd no drinking of blood involved with that

Completely charming.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Signing Robbie for Harley totally payed off. She ended up being such a candy. <3 Joker, you lucky bastard.

 

[Greens]

Harley Quinn co-creator Bruce Timm about SS-Harley

"It's interesting," Timm answered immediately. "It's weird. Myself &#8212; being somebody who's taken characters that pre-exist and putting my own spin on them in my own little universe &#8212; I'm very aware of how when a character that I necessarily created shows up in other media that they have to adapt it and do different things with it than I would do. So I'm very open to it to see what they're going to do. I'm actually really excited. I just today, just before the show started, saw the first image of Harley Quinn from the Suicide Squad movie, and I thought 'Woah. She looks actually pretty cute!' I was actually kind of worried I thought &#8216;Oh, she's going to look really, really bizarre and skanky' but nah, she's not too bad. So I'm often mistaken."

 

[QueenChaos]

Wouldn't say Harls is simply a crazy Joker fangirl.. close, very close.. obsessively involved with Mr.J yes, that's a driving force for her. It's the center, but not all of her.
I do see the fangirl element coming out here for sure, it works into J's own narcissism to be worshiped so and represented on the outside.

It makes perfect sense she's all blinged out in honor of him and has inked various loving messages on her body. This is an interpretation of Harley.. this interpretation shows her love by permanently etching it into her flesh and making sure she's always paying that respect, he fuels her much like Bats fuels The Joker.

Though there is a unique pathos beyond this.. her 'existence' revolves around The Joker but it also speaks to her own tragedy as a turned-villainess.
I think this madness was always within her, and as twisted as it seems she believes Mr.J to have liberated her.. He's her hero as much as her tormenter, a symbol of that 'crazy' which influences her unpredictable duality.

Anyway, I can perfectly respect anyone's dislike of the look.. like I said, preference. I don't have a problem with it and as a serious fan of the character think this is going to turn out great.

Very cool to see Paul Dini approves as well!

 

[Mad Love]

Harley's look hasn't ever been defined as a "Joker fan girl", in spite of what she is.

Wrong. Her whole clown look is because she's a Joker fan. She wanted to match with him

There is no definitive iconic look for a comic book character who's design was unchanged for 18 years, and only within the past 4 has adopted a rotating suite of outfits?

Status quo is not a reason against change. Are you still fighting for Superman's red briefs? Clearly the definitive bare essentials are there because everyone recognizes that she's Harley. I'm pretty sure Harley was still Harley outside her jester suit and that was shown all throughout her history.

And again...this "debate" isn't Margot doesn't look like Harley. It's 'her outfit doesn't scream comic book Harley'.

Why is that even a debate to care about? Who says it has to "scream Harley" when you don't know the context? And it does "scream Harley" to some people. Everyone knows it's Harley. Her personality is what screams Harley. Not a red and black jester suit.

 

[jmc]

The problem with Harley Quinns design isn't limited to this film, it's been a problem over the last 10 years for the character. Creators have slowly but surely started removing the main costume aspects of the type of entertainer she is named after, ie, a harlequin. She's gradually been looking less and less like an actual harlequin and most of that is due to creators trying too hard. There's nothing wrong with Harley being sexy and all but it's gotten to the point where that sex appeal is the main focus of her design, she's starting to bear little resemblance to her entertainer namesake anymore. This films design waters her down even further, it weren't for the hair and white skin you wouldn't know she was Harley Quinn.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Harley Quinn co-creator Bruce Timm about SS-Harley

Timm-approved.

 

[Mad Love]

Harley Quinn co-creator Bruce Timm about SS-Harley

"It's interesting," Timm answered immediately. "It's weird. Myself — being somebody who's taken characters that pre-exist and putting my own spin on them in my own little universe — I'm very aware of how when a character that I necessarily created shows up in other media that they have to adapt it and do different things with it than I would do. So I'm very open to it to see what they're going to do. I'm actually really excited. I just today, just before the show started, saw the first image of Harley Quinn from the Suicide Squad movie, and I thought 'Woah. She looks actually pretty cute!' I was actually kind of worried I thought ‘Oh, she's going to look really, really bizarre and skanky' but nah, she's not too bad. So I'm often mistaken.

Both creators approve but some fans don't

 

[Rodrigo90]

Completely charming.

I try to be

 

[CaptainWagner]

And, not suprisingly, WhatCulture already has an article dedicated to fan art that "sucks less" than the movie design.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

 

[Astro13Zombie]

And, not suprisingly, WhatCulture already has an article dedicated to fan art that "sucks less" than the movie design.

good lord

 

[Greens]

And, not suprisingly, WhatCulture already has an article dedicated to fan art that "sucks less" than the movie design.

You can tell they were desperate because most of the "fan art" looks exactly the same. One is literally a still from Wolf of Wall Street.

 

[OutOfBoose]

And, not suprisingly, WhatCulture already has an article dedicated to fan art that "sucks less" than the movie design.

Sucks less, my ass.

 

[Jekecy]

Wrong. Her whole clown look is because she's a Joker fan. She wanted to match with him.

Do you purposefully misconstrue statements to draw these discussions out further? I had an entire paragraph written to erase all doubt of what I meant, yet it’s still being misunderstood.

Intent or origins towards a costume design does not beholden it to a literal translation of said approach. That is why Batman does not literally look like a bat-man (which I conveniently linked) and why Harley neither looks like a conventional harlequin nor a living manifestation of a Joker fan.

Status quo is not a reason against change. Are you still fighting for Superman's red briefs? Clearly the definitive bare essentials are there because everyone recognizes that she's Harley. I'm pretty sure Harley was still Harley outside her jester suit and that was shown all throughout her history.

Never said it was. I was disputing someone's claim Harley did not have a definitive costume for very long. Having one for about 4/5 of your lifetime would state otherwise.

Why is that even a debate to care about? Who says it has to "scream Harley" when you don't know the context? And it does "scream Harley" to some people. Everyone knows it's Harley. Her personality is what screams Harley. Not a red and black jester suit.

There isn't a debate, hence the air quotes. But I've noticed a widespread amount of jabs on those who are simply stating preference. I don't have to go very far to see a slew of snide remarks against purists, complete with snazzy emoticons to drive the point home.

I'm not very interested in playing devil's advocate here for too long here, because again... I'M FINE WITH AYER'S CHOICE. What I don't particularly like is occasional attitude passed off to others. Agree to disagree, but don't lose sight of the fact we're a community at the end of the day.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Sucks less, my ass.

right?
Is he ****ing serious with this ****?

This is better than what we got?..........what

 

[Thoix]

And, not suprisingly, WhatCulture already has an article dedicated to fan art that "sucks less" than the movie design.

Ugh...WhatCulture. Please share, I would like to see this madness for myself.