Justice League Lounge of Justice - Part 83

[Polux]

The fact that Daredevil and Punisher (as well as Jessica Jones' first season), as well as the massive success of Logan, show that there is an audience and appreciation for more serious subject matter in superhero movies. I'm loathe to begin the whole quality debate regarding the DCEU again (I've maintained for quite some time that the problem was not tone, but execution) but that feels like just as black and white a brush to paint dissent with as the group think you're upset with.

There's a couple of little differences there; the kind of attitude I mentioned which I've seen online is curiously only seen when referring to superhero movies, that kinda "metric" doesn't seem to apply to TV shows (thankfully!) and hence, not to the Netflix shows; second, there's always "umbrellas", Logan being Jackman's last outing, R-rated, "western vibe" gave it a special placing in that it wasn't seen as another "superhero movie", which I believe freed it from the usual checklist of what superhero movies "should be" ("it's FUN!!!"), Deadpool was lighting in a bottle, etc...some movies get a free pass when they don't follow into the "maintream PG-13 superhero showdown" category.

Also, I was talking about a company's intention to standardize their multiple products and franchises; think McDonalds, it's exactly the same principle.

Also, we all live in a bubble when it comes to social media; what we perceive is very limited compared to what is out there, so I'm just really talking about my personal experience roaming through social media, maybe someone else's is different.

Also, I made it abundantly clear (and honest, I'll never get tired of it) of sharing how little respect I have for bloggers. To me, they're leaches, nothing more. Some people can do, some people can't so they start blogs to talk about how the people doing things are doing it wrong.

And I'm also not discussing previous DCEU movies, that's incredibly tiresome and overdone; I love what I love and anyone's opinion is not gonna change that. When it comes to art appreciation I have a very simply philosophy, there is no "good" or "bad", just "what I like" and "what I don't like", which applies to movies, music, poetry, you name it; so I don't really have a problem with people not liking what I like, my issue is with people making assertions in the vein of "this IS GOOD, this IS NOT" as a quantifiable fact, and using a sensationalist approach to gather followers because of the almighty click, and because people want that. See, it's easy, it's what us humans do....because we're lazy; we want to categorize everything, we want to put everything in a box because it makes things simpler for us, the more we can tag simple, easy to identify labels on something, the less we have to think about it; pretty much every aspect of human existence since the beginning has been about "how can we make this simpler??". That's why Rotten Tomatoes is such a big hit; as a friend of mine told me recently "I love RT, it's easy! I just go there and they tell me if a movie is good or not".

Aaaaaaand I thought my rant was over for the day....boy, that got off the rails...anyways! Something, something, Disney sucks.

 

[MbJ]

There's a couple of little differences there; the kind of attitude I mentioned which I've seen online is curiously only seen when referring to superhero movies, that kinda "metric" doesn't seem to apply to TV shows (thankfully!) and hence, not to the Netflix shows; second, there's always "umbrellas", Logan being Jackman's last outing, R-rated, "western vibe" gave it a special placing in that it wasn't seen as another "superhero movie", which I believe freed it from the usual checklist of what superhero movies "should be" ("it's FUN!!!"), Deadpool was lighting in a bottle, etc...some movies get a free pass when they don't follow into the "maintream PG-13 superhero showdown" category.

Perhaps. Or perhaps people may just legitimately think that those are better films than the specific darker examples, just like there are also darker films that are acclaimed. See, that's the thing. I've never been a believer in the idea that dark = interesting, at least not automatically. Tone and mood definitely account for something, but if the end product doesn't deliver, I generally have a hard time enjoying it just because it supposedly took some kind of "risk." But a lot of the time, the tone isn't the sole or deciding reason people don't like something, which is fine.

And I'm also not discussing previous DCEU movies, that's incredibly tiresome and overdone; I love what I love and anyone's opinion is not gonna change that. When it comes to art appreciation I have a very simply philosophy, there is no "good" or "bad", just "what I like" and "what I don't like", which applies to movies, music, poetry, you name it; so I don't really have a problem with people not liking what I like, my issue is with people making assertions in the vein of "this IS GOOD, this IS NOT" as a quantifiable fact, and using a sensationalist approach to gather followers because of the almighty click, and because people want that. See, it's easy, it's what us humans do....because we're lazy; we want to categorize everything, we want to put everything in a box because it makes things simpler for us, the more we can tag simple, easy to identify labels on something, the less we have to think about it; pretty much every aspect of human existence since the beginning has been about "how can we make this simpler??". That's why Rotten Tomatoes is such a big hit; as a friend of mine told me recently "I love RT, it's easy! I just go there and they tell me if a movie is good or not".

TBH, I can see where your friend is coming from. The reality is we've reached a peak media saturation point. There's too much out there to see it all, and movies have gotten pretty expensive. Shorthand has always existed in reviews so it's never something I was particularly bothered by. That's just the reality of producing any sort of art. I don't think it's that deep.

 

[Polux]

Perhaps. Or perhaps people may just legitimately think that those are better films than the specific darker examples, just like there are also darker films that are acclaimed. See, that's the thing. I've never been a believer in the idea that dark = interesting, at least not automatically. Tone and mood definitely account for something, but if the end product doesn't deliver, I generally have a hard time enjoying it just because it supposedly took some kind of "risk."

Absolutely agreed, I don't think there's a direct correlation between tone/intention and perceived quality; "dark" doesn't equal "good" and "light" doesn't equal "bad" (Iron Giant and The Incredibles are some of the best I've ever seen...and I like my fair share of "light comedies"), but it's a matter of execution and personal preferences/sensibilities.
And it's funny that you mention the "risk" factor, since that's something that I personally appreciate and in one way or another always ends up elevating the final product for me; it's a matter of personal preferences right there, I don't think either you or me is "right" or "wrong" on the matter, it's just personal preference, my issue is when people wanna make it stick as a fact that there is "right" and "wrong" on the subject.

TBH, I can see where your friend is coming from. The reality is we've reached a peak media saturation point. There's too much out there to see it all, and movies have gotten pretty expensive. Shorthand has always existed in reviews so it's never something I was particularly bothered by. That's just the reality of producing any sort of art.

And agree with this too. While I use these forums to vent out my frustration (as, I guess, we all do), I perfectly understand that that's just the world as it is. Is how we operate, it's who we are. To try to change that would be to try to change the world and the history of humanity, I'm not insane.

I believe there used to be, and there is still some good art criticism out there (as much as critics are somewhere in between dry saliva at the edge of your mouth and cockroaches ); I just believe that, for example, a "good" film criticism should come down to a broad view of what to expect, the filmmakers intentions and goals, etc, while leaving it to the audience to decide if it's something they may be interested in or not, and not just your nowadays classic "BEST/WORT EVAAHHH!!!"

Funny thing, that friend I mentioned is my bass player; when it comes to music and song writing we have pretty much the same approach and philosophy, is when it comes to movies that we're in a completely different spectrum.

 

[MbJ]

In hindsight I think the writing was on the wall for a while and probably factored into Netflix's current push to make a whole Mark Millar universe (we'll see how that goes).


It'll be interesting to see how the IP snatching boom across the current line-up of channels and streaming platforms shakes out. I feel there's gonna be a bloodbath coming for a lot of these streaming services for the simple reason that it's starting to miss the point of why Netflix was such a hit in the first place: a bunch of stuff in one convenient service and location. Splitting up everything across competing platforms is gonna backfire for some of the people involved.

 

[Rodimus]

Don't know why anybody is THAT surprised really.

 

[Iceman]

Oh damn.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

But why do the showrunners mistake her for an important character? Like, how did that happen?

 

[harlequinade]

I'm sorry to interrupt the mourning but



*screaming through an open window*

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Suits in the thumbnail made me think of Power Rangers.

 

[harlequinade]

would you look at him omg


yes I am gifing now

 

[kguillou]

This may be a broader topic of conversation but...Netflix is now making me contemplate keeping their membership. I've had it for 8 years and quite honestly, their movie selection has gone down the ****ter. Theres barely anything to watch on there anymore, new or old. Amazon Prime legitimately has a better movie selection than Netflix now.

Argh, damn it but they still have Stranger Things which I freaking love. Sigh...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

This may be a broader topic of conversation but...Netflix is now making me contemplate keeping their membership. I've had it for 8 years and quite honestly, their movie selection has gone down the ****ter. Theres barely anything to watch on there anymore, new or old. Amazon Prime legitimately has a better movie selection than Netflix now.

Argh, damn it but they still have Stranger Things which I freaking love. Sigh...

Here's an annoying thing to imagine; they start pumping cool stuff again a month after you end your subscription to them.

 

[Micromind]

This may be a broader topic of conversation but...Netflix is now making me contemplate keeping their membership. I've had it for 8 years and quite honestly, their movie selection has gone down the ****ter. Theres barely anything to watch on there anymore, new or old. Amazon Prime legitimately has a better movie selection than Netflix now.

Argh, damn it but they still have Stranger Things which I freaking love. Sigh...

Are you in US ? If not, wait till they start DC Universe shows and Krypton on Netflix.

 

[harlequinade]

look what a pretty thing I made

Spoiler

*weeps* *meows*

 

[2kt09]

In hindsight I think the writing was on the wall for a while and probably factored into Netflix's current push to make a whole Mark Millar universe (we'll see how that goes).


It'll be interesting to see how the IP snatching boom across the current line-up of channels and streaming platforms shakes out. I feel there's gonna be a bloodbath coming for a lot of these streaming services for the simple reason that it's starting to miss the point of why Netflix was such a hit in the first place: a bunch of stuff in one convenient service and location. Splitting up everything across competing platforms is gonna backfire for some of the people involved.

Slight correlation. Marvel Netflix viewership was declining consecutively between subsequent shows not just seasons, even for DDs3. They also decided to increase the output without factoring in the fact that more original Netflix content would be dropped concurrently. Millarworld had nothing to do with it beyond Netflix actually hopping onto the trend themselves. So, it sounds like a mutual parting for Marvel & Netflix.

Meh, just another way for it to all eventually add up to the equivalent of a cable/satellite subscription.

 

[harlequinade]

Really weak presales for Bumbleebee. Comparing to God and Nanny at least.

 

[Arachnerd]

So I just learned the Mouse twisted Netflix's arm into cancelling Daredevil, without alerting the writers of the show who were already developing ideas for the following season first.

And there goes my good mood for the day.

 

[harlequinade]

Me and my friends are chill about DD but this means they are taking Frank away from us and THIS AGGRESSION WILL NOT STAND, MAN

 

[Bagide]

Sucks DD was cancelled..doubt Disney+ will put something close to that or even Arrow level in replacing DD. There are so many comics Netflix can replace with.

 

[Arachnerd]

Pre-rip Punisher.

Still looking forward to that second season though.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Interstellar is not an easy movie to watch more than once.

 

[Kane52630]

Outside of the visuals, it's not a great movie.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I do believe that there is a big audience for more mature subject material in these properties, but Disney will not be the studio to do it. It already sucked enough to know folks like Charlie Cox and Vincent D'onofrio wouldn't cross over into the MCU. And now they're just gone.

My soul hurts fam.

 

[_Superman_]

I do believe that there is a big audience for more mature subject material in these properties, but Disney will not be the studio to do it. It already sucked enough to know folks like Charlie Cox and Vincent D'onofrio wouldn't cross over into the MCU. And now they're just gone.

My soul hurts fam.

Agreed but what can you do.