Justice League Lounge of Justice - Part 88

[MbJ]

I don't mind Johns' involvement. He's hit or miss, but there's more than enough blame for what happened with Justice League to go around for everyone.

 

[kguillou]

Ive heard low key Krypton is one of DC’s best shows.

 

[Greenlite]

Johns did the stories for WW and AM and they were both huge hits

I don't know how much he contributed to AM's script though, that was pretty lol

 

[Greenlite]

Personally I'm still hoping that if they reboot Superman that we'd get Calvin Ellis. If they went with him you'd pretty much have a clean slate and could practically do almost anything you'd want.

They need to like offer it to MBJ, unless he's taken up John Stewart

 

[flickchick85]

I say this as someone who still likes a few of their shows, but man, I REALLY wish they'd move on from the Berlanti crew. It seems like every other DC show announced is from that same creative pool, and it's really annoying. Like, you wanna build a DC universe on TV? That's cool. Can't convince HBO and their deep pockets to do it? Ok, that's fine, still doable. Just build a writers room of comics/animation people wanting to break into TV/movies - they'll be relatively cheap hires because of that - and just have them supervised by one or two TV vets as showrunners.

Like, a writers' room typically has about 9 or so people on it. So imagine a live-action DC show (I'm thinking Supes or Green Lantern or one of their other "struggling" top-tier properties) with a writers room of Peter Tomasi, Paul Dini, Gail Simone, Christopher Priest, Michael Green (he's got movie experience), Sterling Gates (he's got TV experience), Kelly Sue DeConnick, J.M. DeMatteis, and headed up by a seasoned (but not "superstar") showrunner or two, like Erik Oleson (Daredevil S3), Craig Silverstein (Nikita, Turn), or Rob Thomas (Veronica Mars, iZombie). It would probably be relatively affordable, and *gasp!* actually good.

I'm just sick of all these people who came from shows like Everwood, Melrose Place, The Vampire Diaries, etc. and only had a passing interest in comics until hired for these gigs.

Ive heard low key Krypton is one of DC’s best shows.

It's not, imo. It has good production values and a good take on Brainiac, but outside of that, it's VERY basic and forgettable, imo. Especially all its lead characters. I tried re-watching it to prep for the new season, and it was such a damn chore outside of the last couple Brainiac-heavy eps. Swamp Thing and Doom Patrol are much better. I'd even say a few select seasons of the CW shows are also better, just not on the production values front, obviously.

 

[Iceman]

Correct, Flick. I know we’re all bitter at Tsujihara right now but the man was the one who actually had faith in DC characters other than BAtman. Warner Bros pre-Tsjujihara was practically ashamed of their DC brand and refused to mine their library other than Batman and the occasional Superman movie or tv series every now and then. For better or worse Tsujihara at least was the one who got Wonder Woman and Aquaman greenlit. He realized these characters could be helming movies as big as Marvel’s characters are.

I'm not comfortable giving him too much credit. He still massacred the first ever appearance of JL on film. An opportunity that can never be got back. He wouldn't be the only possible guy you could have running things who wouldn't be afraid of non-Batman characters. Maybe he should have been replaced earlier!

 

[-Arya-]

I’m still shocked they got Tom King to co write New Gods. Even a few years ago it was unheard of for a Comicbook writer to script a movie for WB. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come if the movie turns out great.

 

[-Arya-]

I say this as someone who still likes a few of their shows, but man, I REALLY wish they'd move on from the Berlanti crew. It seems like every other DC show announced is from that same creative pool, and it's really annoying. Like, you wanna build a DC universe on TV? That's cool. Can't convince HBO and their deep pockets to do it? Ok, that's fine, still doable. Just build a writers room of comics/animation people wanting to break into TV/movies - they'll be relatively cheap hires because of that - and just have them supervised by one or two TV vets as showrunners.

Like, a writers' room typically has about 9 or so people on it. So imagine a live-action DC show (I'm thinking Supes or Green Lantern or one of their other "struggling" top-tier properties) with a writers room of Peter Tomasi, Paul Dini, Gail Simone, Christopher Priest, Michael Green (he's got movie experience), Sterling Gates (he's got TV experience), Kelly Sue DeConnick, J.M. DeMatteis, and headed up by a seasoned (but not "superstar") showrunner or two, like Erik Oleson (Daredevil S3), Craig Silverstein (Nikita, Turn), or Rob Thomas (Veronica Mars, iZombie). It would probably be relatively affordable, and *gasp!* actually good.

I'm just sick of all these people who came from shows like Everwood, Melrose Place, The Vampire Diaries, etc. and only had a passing interest in comics until hired for these gigs.


It's not, imo. It has good production values and a good take on Brainiac, but outside of that, it's VERY basic and forgettable, imo. Especially all its lead characters. I tried re-watching it to prep for the new season, and it was such a damn chore outside of the last couple Brainiac-heavy eps. Swamp Thing and Doom Patrol are much better. I'd even say a few select seasons of the CW shows are also better, just not on the production values front, obviously.

Oddly enough, Swamp Thing was their first show in a while that had no involvement from the Berlanti crew.... and it got canceled. *sigh*

 

[flickchick85]

Oddly enough, Swamp Thing was their first show in a while that had no involvement from the Berlanti crew.... and it got canceled. *sigh*

And was arguably their best.

 

[-Arya-]

And was arguably their best.

Too soon to say, but I get your point.

 

[Gee]

All that hype for the Avengers game...

 

[Greenlite]

I’m still shocked they got Tom King to co write New Gods. Even a few years ago it was unheard of for a Comicbook writer to script a movie for WB. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come if the movie turns out great.

we got Grant Morrison for Flash, then WB's mouthpiece labelled it as "darker" because they don't want this combo to happen from the start

 

[MbJ]

All that hype for the Avengers game...

Rocksteady can still save E3 if they announce that Superman game...wait....

we got Grant Morrison for Flash, then WB's mouthpiece labelled it as "darker" because they don't want this combo to happen from the start

Only one I saw saying that is The Hollywood Reporter, who is generally very reliable. But darker is a thing of magnitudes. It could be darker than the current script they were using without actually being all that dark.

 

[-Arya-]

we got Grant Morrison for Flash, then WB's mouthpiece labelled it as "darker" because they don't want this combo to happen from the start

Flash is in limbo. I mean we actually have a movie going into preproduction with a Comicbook writer doing the script.

 

[Greenlite]

Birds of Prey: Margot Robbie Promises Costumes Will Be "Less Male Gaze-y"

I don't know man, I feel the Joker will have more cloth on than the girls this time

 

[brandeezy89]

 

[Greenlite]

Rocksteady can still save E3 if they announce that Superman game...wait....



Only one I saw saying that is The Hollywood Reporter, who is generally very reliable. But darker is a thing of magnitudes. It could be darker than the current script they were using without actually being all that dark.

Ya, I think it was Borys who wrote it, I'm sure he or the editor knows using the word beginning with "dark-xyz" will instantly create the narrative and impression on the project and the last term you should be using with DCEU is "dark-xyz"

They could have used terms like more crazy, more mature, crazy fun, thrilling, more twist etc

 

[MbJ]

Commander Riker joined the Avengers.

 

[Greenlite]

Fatvengers

 

[Greenlite]

 

[MbJ]

Ya, I think it was Borys who wrote it, I'm sure he or the editor knows using the word beginning with "dark-xyz" will instantly create the narrative and impression on the project and the last term you should be using with DCEU is "dark-xyz"

They could have used terms like more crazy, more mature, crazy fun, thrilling, more twist etc

I don't think it's too far off in this case. Ezra Miller came on board during Zack's tenure, and the original idea for the Flash movie was, after all, Flashpoint. The story where Wonder Woman, probably the DCEU's most popular character at that point, leads a campaign of genocide across Europe and decapitates Mera. It's a tremendously dark story.

So in this case I could see Miller wanting some of that edge to stick in whatever the Flash movie is now, even though ironically that's not really what Morrison is known for. If I had to guess, the studio probably wants something more akin to a crowd pleaser like Aquaman, especially with that being their biggest hit by far. So I can see where the tension between the two parties would be.

 

[Greenlite]

Geez, imagine if Hulk plays for DC

 

[Greenlite]

I don't think it's too far off in this case. Ezra Miller came on board during Zack's tenure, and the original idea for the Flash movie was, after all, Flashpoint. The story where Wonder Woman, probably the DCEU's most popular character at that point, leads a campaign of genocide across Europe and decapitates Mera. It's a tremendously dark story.

So in this case I could see Miller wanting some of that edge to stick in whatever the Flash movie is now, even though ironically that's not really what Morrison is known for. If I had to guess, the studio probably wants something more akin to a crowd pleaser like Aquaman, especially with that being their biggest hit by far. So I can see where the tension between the two parties would be.

We don't know exactly what there visions are, but I can see Ezra wanting something creative and unique, and WB just want a standard origin film and play it safe.

Would have been ideal with Ezra just stick with the safe movie and earns WW numbers (Flash should be more popular outside US), and have the leverage to do the Morrison script in the sequel. All moot point now, which is very sad, WB keeps on missing out on potential superstars - Ryan Reynolds, Waititi, Cavill, Adams, now their home grown Ezra

 

[MbJ]

Safe or not I'd just be happy if the movie comes out and is good at this point.

 

[Greenlite]

be careful what you wish for though, lol