Lounge of Justice - Part 90

[Calvin Ellis]

What'd he do this time? Last I kept up, there was some weird predicament because ppl think Lois cheated on Clark with Superman.

Well lets see he aged John, cuckold Clark, has Clark and Lois living apart because she needs her space from him at the moment, has Superman about to reveal his identity to the world, and his writing has been worse then when Chuck Austin was on the title. That's just to name a few. He has pretty much done irreversible damage to Superman that the only was to repair it is you Dallas it where it was all a dream, OMD it where you ignore his entire run or reboot.

 

[Micromind]

I'm guessing Sherlock 3 will be moved earlier. Don't wanna be run over by Avatar 2.

Sherlock Holmes 3 will move, the movie's getting made because RDJ is interested in it. No way he will select that date for it.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Hope Black Adam doesn't go too far into the "superhero" territory. Doing the grey area thing makes sense, but I hope they won't end up doing a Maleficent spin on him.

I suspect it won’t. Shazam was surprisingly violent and Joker is gonna hit $1 bil. WB can push boundaries and they know it now.

 

[Predator jp]

i wonder how far The Rock is willing to go.

 

[Legendver2]

Hope Black Adam doesn't go too far into the "superhero" territory. Doing the grey area thing makes sense, but I hope they won't end up doing a Maleficent spin on him.

Nah, that's Disney's approach, to whitewash everything. DC knows it thrives on villains, i.e. SS, TDK's Joker reaching iconic status, and the new Joker. No way WB is going to whitewash Black Adam. Black Adam seems like a morally grey enough character to be right up DC's alley if done right.

Well lets see he aged John, cuckold Clark, has Clark and Lois living apart because she needs her space from him at the moment, has Superman about to reveal his identity to the world, and his writing has been worse then when Chuck Austin was on the title. That's just to name a few. He has pretty much done irreversible damage to Superman that the only was to repair it is you Dallas it where it was all a dream, OMD it where you ignore his entire run or reboot.

Jesus! I haven't caught up with Doomsday Clock at all, but now I'm wishfully hoping that will retcon this whole thing lol. I'm glad I stopped around the time Bendis took this up, because this looks like a huge cluster****. How are sales numbers for the title though since Bendis came on board?

 

[Greenlite]

i wonder how far The Rock is willing to go.

As far as the Chinese censorship allows him to, that's the bread and butter $$$ maker for The Rock, heck, might as well release it first there similar to Aquaman, get 100M in the first few days, then F the reviews and tomatoes, and Avatar, lol

 

[Greenlite]

I don't know why Avatar is now a sure thing, WB can always move BA up if Avatar's not bluffing, lol.

They did hurt the Mary Poppin sequel with Aquaman last year, so they are not going to be scared of Avatar just because. Plus they could co-exist in the holiday seasons, and this is like the Jumanji spot for The Rock.

Heck, my boss just texted me about him joining DC, lol.

Now, what happens if he wants to fight Superman? They give him Hawkman and Shazam instead? I mean, he still want to fight Sup right? Can he tolerate a headless Superman? (no punch to the head....because there's none!)

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Aquaman going up against Star Wars is fine because none of those spinoffs will sniff main saga money

But Avatar tho. That could make 2 billion overseas alone

 

[Greenlite]

They should just make BA 3D as well, so people after watching Avatar 2 can keep their glasses while going to BA, 3D double feature night

or they doing the goggle VR thing this time?

 

[Greenlite]

Btw WB will move SH3 since they're making it and RDJ just don't have the same firepower with SH, and it's been so long since the last one, it's gonna have that MIB3 situation, BA will swallow it finance wise, Feb/March or Summer will be a better date for it.

My wife's a huge SH fan and she doesn't like this franchise, it's like RDJ pretending to be a detective and making SH an action superhero saving the world, when he should be solving neighborhood cases with his mouth.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Really fun book.

“The thing I like most about Hal is something that people in comics generally dislike: He’s been around for so long and he’s super competent,” Morrison says. “When it comes to superheroes I love characters like Batman and Hal who have been around so long, the only way they could still be alive would be if they were the most hyper-competent men on the planet. Hal gets things done, he thinks fast on his feet, he’s been around the block a few times. I love to watch that guy going about his work. Rather than explore the frailties and flaws, what I love about superheroes like Batman or Hal Jordan is the fact that they have almost destroyed all their human flaws and they’ve become different than a normal human being. That fascinates me and gets them closer to the idea of a ‘superhero’ than trying to make them like us.”

Sharp adds, “in a way it’s not that Hal Jordan is a superhero amongst humans, he’s a superhero amongst Green Lanterns. Whether he’s our favorite Green Lantern or not, it’s established in the tomes of Green Lantern lore that he’s the greatest Green Lantern of all time. You go to the future, they’re still talking about Hal Jordan. We’re in the midst of telling the story of the greatest Green Lantern of them all. That’s amazing, to show what that means.”

Yeah, they get it.

 

[Greenlite]

‘Black Adam’ Vs.‘Avatar 2’ Is A Fight Dwayne Johnson And James Cameron Can Both Win

History shows that both big Avatar 2 and Black Adam can thrive over the same Christmas season. And if DC Films' Dwayne Johnson flick dings James Cameron's mega-budget Disney/Fox sequel enough to draw blood, well...

In news I missed because I was writing my Frozen 2 review, Dwayne Johnson has announced that Black Adam is both absolutely happening (after years of teases and false starts) and that it will open on December 22, 2021. Yes, that’s five days after Fox and Disney finally unleash James Cameron’s Avatar 2.

Warner Bros. and DC Films had grand luck with Aquaman last Christmas, earning $335 million domestic from a $72 million opening weekend and $1.048 billion worldwide in the process. The Aquaman sequel is dated for December 16, 2022, the same day where Disney still (as of this moment) has a Star Wars movie slotted, but that could change with the Game of Thrones dudes no longer developing their aborted trilogy.


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Point being, if Avatar 2 is going to be the, uh, Avatar of the 2021 Christmas season, then Black Adam is pitching itself as Sherlock Holmes. Sherlock Holmes also opened right after Avatar ten years ago. While Avatar dominated the holiday season on its way to a record-smushing $760 million domestic/$2.789 billion global total, WB’s $90 million-budgeted Guy Ritchie-directed action drama earned $62 million over Christmas weekend on the way to a $209 million domestic/$524 million global cume.

Tomorrow Never Dies opened concurrently in December of 1997, and both films earned $25-$30 million opening weekends. Titanic did the Titanic thing and sailed to $600 million domestic and $1.8 billion worldwide, while the second Pierce Brosnan 007 flick legged it to $125 million domestic (above the $106 million cume of GoldenEye with a 5x multiplier, easily a record in the post-Dalton era) and $333 million worldwide (just under the $350 million cume of GoldenEye). Mamma Mia! earned $144 million domestic and $609 million worldwide opening concurrently with The Dark Knight in July of 2008.

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The Robert Downey Jr./Jude Law flick and the James Bond actioner both earned best-case-scenario box office despite James Cameron becoming “King of the World” twice in a row. So did the Meryl Streep/Amanda Seyfried/Pierce Brosnan musical, which earned only $5 million less overseas that year than Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the Chris Nolan Batman sequel. It earned more than Iron Man ($585 million) worldwide. If Black Adam is any good, then there will be room for both movies to proverbially live their best lives.

For what it’s worth, the Jaume Collet-Serra-directed flick, which like Shazam! will be a New Line release (and thus potentially have a budget closer to Venom than Spider-Man: Homecoming) will be (at least) the third DC Films flick set for 2021, alongside The Batman on June 25 and The Suicide Squad on August 3. Those three films will go up against Marvel’s Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings in February, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness in May, Sony’s third MCU Spider-Man movie in July and Thor: Love and Thunder in November.

With Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Shazam! earning strong reviews and decent box office, and with Joker set to pass $1 billion as early as tomorrow, concurrently with the unknown fate of Marvel’s post-Avengers: Endgame slate, the unofficial battle between the MCU and DC Films is at a point where it’s essentially a fair fight. Yes, I’m assuming the next batch of Marvel movies will do just fine, and there may never be another DC Films flick that rivals Wonder Woman’s domestic and Aquaman’s global box office, but it’s no longer such a one-sided fight.

As far as Avatar 2 versus Black Adam, history shows that both movies will probably “win.” But if Black Adam happens to rough up Avatar 2 enough to make a difference, since the James Cameron sequel will be a lot more important to Disney/Fox than will the Dwayne Johnson superhero movie for Warner Bros., well, that’s a way for Black Adam to “win” no matter how far ahead Avatar 2 ends up. And after years of every other studio quivering in fear of when Disney might slate their next biggie, the competition has no choice but to take the fight to them. Game on...

 

[Legendver2]

But Avatar tho. That could make 2 billion overseas alone

It's a conundrum for sure. We're basing it's hypothetical performance based on the performance of it's lone installment in a supposed franchise because it took advantage of a new gimmick (3D) and made it really good. There is no decades built in fanbase for this, plus a decade+ long hiatus, it's really hard to tell if it can repeat, especially with so many juggernaut franchises now with a built in audience base on either a large fandom of the source material, or a large fandom built with consistent installment of movies through the years.

 

[Greenlite]

Let's just say, Avatar 2 if it does take that date, won't open to 350M like Endgame and kill all comp....it's gonna open around 90M and stay around for the holidays

 

[MbJ]

Nah, that's Disney's approach, to whitewash everything. DC knows it thrives on villains, i.e. SS, TDK's Joker reaching iconic status, and the new Joker. No way WB is going to whitewash Black Adam.

Given that we just got confirmation from the director himself that Suicide Squad was partially recut to remove the abusive aspects of Joker's relationship with Harley, that's probably not the best example to use.

The Black Adam movie will most likely draw from Geoff Johns' JSA stuff, where Black Adam was more of a morally dubious antihero than an outright villain. Especially with those recurring rumors about Hawkman and the Justice Society showing up. I would be genuinely surprised if they kept the stuff like Black Adam murdering his nephew.

 

[Greenlite]

Given that we just got confirmation from the director himself that Suicide Squad was partially recut to remove the abusive aspects of Joker's relationship with Harley, that's probably not the best example to use.

The Black Adam movie will most likely draw from Geoff Johns' JSA stuff, where Black Adam was more of a morally dubious antihero than an outright villain. Especially with those recurring rumors about Hawkman and the JA showing up. I would be genuinely surprised if they kept the stuff like Black Adam murdering his nephew.

Haha there are a lot of stuff from the comic books that movies will never use. This would be worse than Joker to be honest, ha

 

[KalvinEllis]

Saw people saying The Rock is too likeable to play a character like Black Adam. I think it's fair to say he knows how to play fan favorites who are still jerks. lol

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Saw people saying The Rock is too likeable to play a character like Black Adam. I think it's fair to say he knows how to play fan favorites who are still jerks. lol

Heel Rock was The Rock at his best and what got him over. I miss the corporate elbow and corporate eyebrow.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Heel Rock was The Rock at his best and what got him over. I miss the corporate elbow and corporate eyebrow.

The irony is this was shortly after he officially turned face. He was technically a good guy here but you would never guess that since he kept his old attitude. He was an equal opportunity humiliator. He would both humiliate babyfaces that didn't deserve it and humiliate heels that did. While still being mostly a jerk to regular bystanders. lol

I can see Black Adam's characterization being similar in terms of the fact that he knows what the right choice is and genuinely cares about protecting the innocent but he goes about it in such a way that you wouldn't think he does. lol

 

[Aurakles]

Btw WB will move SH3 since they're making it and RDJ just don't have the same firepower with SH, and it's been so long since the last one, it's gonna have that MIB3 situation, BA will swallow it finance wise, Feb/March or Summer will be a better date for it.

My wife's a huge SH fan and she doesn't like this franchise, it's like RDJ pretending to be a detective and making SH an action superhero saving the world, when he should be solving neighborhood cases with his mouth.

Completely agree with Mrs Lite. Jeremy Brett is my favourite Holmes.

Ian McKellen a close second.

 

[Greenlite]

I think BA is just gonna be like Deadpool's character, minus the humor of course. I don't even know if they will make him evil in this universe, maybe fight Shazam because of a conflict, IDK

I mean, they need him to lead the JL right? Imagine him fighting Gadot, directed by Wan, might as well give Van Disel a role (Martian Manhunter) and give Statham a villain role, haha

But I think he's going to be a case of movie star + biggest IP (CBM) and the result could be unpredictable

 

[Greenlite]

Completely agree with Mrs Lite. Jeremy Brett is my favourite Holmes.

Ian McKellen a close second.

I'll mention this actor to her, and I need to get that Mr Holmes soon, wanted to watch it before

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Just got an email from DC Universe about renewing for another year with a lowered price of 5 bucks a month/60 for the year

Im not really sure at the moment, what does everyone think

 

[Aurakles]

I am disappointed their going for the "rough justice" idea rather than making him an outright villain.
I wanted this to be a superhero breaking bad, Teth starting out as a worthy champion of the wizard, but then slowly starting to abuse his power, to see himself as a god and turn into the kind of tyrant he had once fought against.

From the description he gave, Black Adam sounds like "the maverick cop who gets results" rather than someone who murdered an entire nation. Black Adam perpetrated a genocide, personally. He killed thousands of children, deliberately. That's more than being "Too rebellious. Too rambunctious."

 

[flickchick85]

Just got an email from DC Universe about renewing for another year with a lowered price of 5 bucks a month/60 for the year

Im not really sure at the moment, what does everyone think

That...seems like a gamble to me. Especially if you're gonna get HBO Max as well. Because if the two get folded together, I don't see them issuing refunds since you're still getting the service, and that could get messy. I've always been on the monthly plan for DCU, so I guess I'm naturally a bit more skittish on it, but I definitely wouldn't be comfortable committing to it for a year until after HBOMax came out and they were clearer on the plans for DCU. It just feels like that service is really up in the air at the moment.