Lounge of Justice - Part 90

[MbJ]

Loeb and Sale heavily implied that Catwoman was Falcone's daughter that had been given up for adoption, so I wonder if that will be a plot point in the film.

 

[chintai80]

Loeb and Sale heavily implied that Catwoman was Falcone's daughter that had been given up for adoption, so I wonder if that will be a plot point in the film.

it does seem like they are taking cues from the loeb/sale stuff.
lot of long of halloween.
maybe they'll use the when in rome subplot of selina possibly being falcone's daughter.
the cast is definitely interesting and unexpected too.

 

[Greenlite]

Cavill and JJ in the same show would have been amazing lol, the moment they look at each other

 

[Consona]

Cats

 

[harlequinade]

Cavill and JJ in the same show would have been amazing lol, the moment they look at each other

Goddammit! Can't Oscar take his sexy ass to England once for this show

I love it and I don't think he was ever there

 

[harlequinade]

Follow this account

 

[Consona]

What? They made something about baby Yoda?

 

[harlequinade]

It's just how the fans are referring to it, it's the same species and it's beyond ADORABLE

 

[Consona]

Oh, the same species, ok.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

What's the only thing I like in a certain crappy movie?

 

[Consona]

 

[Predator jp]

Emery out

 

[Consona]

Was listening to the Shazam theme. There's a great theme hidden there in that huge pile of mess.



So:
• 0:00 The intro is kinda an intro, kinda the theme (?) (or like a version of the main theme?)

• then 0:23 a bridge/transition? (or is this some theme?)

• then 0:41 it switches to some Holst/Star Wars-like thing (?)

• then 1:03 again some kind of an intro/the theme (?) or again some other variation on the main theme?, but it overall sounds rather different again, 1:19 this part in a variation on the 1:03 part (honestly I don't know what this part is doing there)

• then there's finally the main theme, after we are nearly 2 minutes in (I think this is the main theme, since it sounds heroic and like a full theme. But feels undermined by the fact there are maybe too many different proto-themes/variations on the main before this, not counting various bridge sections).

But my main problem here is, it's not even 10 seconds and the melody is shaky already, take a listen with me:

1:48 the main idea, ok, perfect, 1:54 a repetition of the melody, slightly altered, and it only repeats the first half of the theme (now altered), but twice? and that second repetition is actually different, then 2:01 a new closure of the theme, but for some reason it's repeated twice?!, 2:08 the main theme again, in the strings this time, but wait! It's not the repetition of the main idea we heard at 1:48?! Man, it's so frustrating to listen to this melody... It bounces around, but does not solidify what we are told is the main idea.

Even the director said they were going for a Williams-like thing. But this is not how Williams writes theme melodies. When you listen to Superman, Indy, Journey to the Island, Jurrasic, Potter, Star Wars, Rey, Fawkes, what have you, the exposition, repetition, flourishes, it's all precisely structured, and even when the melody is quite long, he always! repeats the main idea as is!, that's one of the reasons why those themes work and why those melodies make sense!
Because they are not messy but well structured. All those extra and magical things Williams does atop of that is something he can afford to do because he can write music that is so fluent that those things fit there perfectly without breaking the flow of the music.

• 2:15 this is like a B section to the theme, the melody is in strings, it develops the theme, but again, the repetitions do not reinforce the melody (feels kinda aimless again)

• 3:00 the first intro thing returns, is developed into a melody of its own... (for some reason...)

• 3:23 it all turns into something all over the place that uses motifs from the 1:03 second intro/theme thing.

• 3:36 it all turns into another Holst-like thing, used the first intro theme and ends.


Overall, there are motivic similarities, but the phrases themselves are really wonky and the piece has weird structure.
Is this a film cue or really the main theme? Since it feels like a cue, like it follows something on the screen, does not feel like a concert piece, there are some superfluous and prolonged parts that feel like "what's the point?".
Compared it to some Herrmann, Horner, Goldsmith and Williams themes, this melody is quite all over the place and messy. The main idea at 1:48 is very solid, I like that theme a lot, but the composition around it drifts too much without any point.

Also it doesn't have that fluidity the golden-era compositions have.

And the orchestration does not feel Williams-y. It definitely feels way closer to being a Remote Control production. Maybe even due to that slightly strange mix. But Williams' orchestrations are way leaner, precise and agile.
And I don't think he uses woodwind runs in the 1:11 manner.


It "just" lacks focus. But this "lacks focus" is actually about the core of writing orchestral music. There's this very strange edge where it all breaks... the way golden-era guys have weaved their phrases and written something complex and sometimes insanely intricate that makes sense in the moment and over a long period of time, and just a slight lack of that skill make a composition feel clunky and disjointed. So many times when listening to Horner's Star Treks, Goldsmith's Rambo II or Dvorak's symphonies, I wonder how did he, for the love of god, got from this part to that part so incredibly flawlessly without breaking anything??? Like these guys can do abrupt things that feel completely fluid.

Whereas things these days feel abrupt while they are trying to be fluent.

Like sorry, but the wiki says Wallfisch began playing the piano at 5, composing at 6 and has been conducting since he was 14, yet he can't f***ing write one cohesive orchestral tune at the age of 40???!!!

What went wrong?
Overall there are some nice passages in the Shazam soundtrack, but the theme, jeez...

 

[MbJ]

it does seem like they are taking cues from the loeb/sale stuff.
lot of long of halloween.
maybe they'll use the when in rome subplot of selina possibly being falcone's daughter.
the cast is definitely interesting and unexpected too.

Someone said it reminded them of an indie and I definitely know what they mean.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Heh, unpopular opinion, maybe.

Chubby Brie Larson in 21 Jump Street hotter than Captain Marvel Brie.

 

[chintai80]

Heh, unpopular opinion, maybe.

Chubby Brie Larson in 21 Jump Street hotter than Captain Marvel Brie.

she's attractive in a girl next door kind of way in 21 jump street.
cute as a button.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Micromind]

So, it looks like many movie trailers are going to be attached with SW:TRoS, Godzilla Vs Kong, BoP, WW84 and what else ?

 

[Black Narcissus]

So, it looks like many movie trailers are going to be attached with SW:TRoS, Godzilla Vs Kong, BoP, WW84 and what else ?

Tenet
Wedding Crashers part Deux
Cobra II

 

[Consona]

New Lamborghini

... yea, my thoughts exactly...

 

[MbJ]

They didn't delay that Godzilla vs. Kong flick?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

New Lamborghini

... yea, my thoughts exactly...

if that ain't a batmobile then idk what is. hope reeves goes for something very close to this.

gorgeous

 

[StarLord]

They didn't delay that Godzilla vs. Kong flick?

Not yet anyway. Meant to be out March 11th, 2020.

 

[Greenlite]

Huge gains for pro-democracy groups in HK polls

Just an update on the HK situation, they held a parliamentary election last night (biggest general election as they can't vote for their Chief Executive/leader)

Pro-democracy wins 350+ seats (up from 120 seats in 2015), vs pro-Beijing's 40+ seats (down from 290+)

Popular votes Pro-demo up towards 60% from 40% last time, Pro-B down from 54% towards <40%

Pro-demo will take all 117 HK Chief reps out of this one, and that's 117 out of 1200 total reps, has already got 400 allies, so totalling 500+ out of 1200 for the next HK leader election, could push for a non-pro Beijing leader in 2021/2022

Chinese moutpiece predicted a silent majoriy from pro-Beijing supporters this week, SUPER HONEST

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1158505.shtml

 

[TheGuy]

Huge gains for pro-democracy groups in HK polls

Just an update on the HK situation, they held a parliamentary election last night (biggest general election as they can't vote for their Chief Executive/leader)

Pro-democracy wins 350+ seats (up from 120 seats in 2015), vs pro-Beijing's 40+ seats (down from 290+)

Popular votes Pro-demo up towards 60% from 40% last time, Pro-B down from 54% towards <40%

Pro-demo will take all 117 HK Chief reps out of this one, and that's 117 out of 1200 total reps, has already got 400 allies, so totalling 500+ out of 1200 for the next HK leader election, could push for a non-pro Beijing leader in 2021/2022

Chinese moutpiece predicted a silent majoriy from pro-Beijing supporters this week, SUPER HONEST

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1158505.shtml

Jesus ****ing Christ.