Lounge of Justice - Part 90

i, too, initially thought she was doing dragonball z cosplay when i first saw that photo.
 
A friend of mine has started a blog which covers some comic / cbm stuff, so figured I've give it a wee plug here in case any of you have an interest.

I imagine you'll want to skip by his articles on Scottish football, which folks from the US will probably say isn't really football because it's soccer, and which everyone else will say isn't really football because it's rubbish.

https://www.idlehandsduffy.com/blog
 
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Eh, with the Adele thing you gotta understand context. Black women still facing discrimination, particularly in the workplace, over their hair. And just battling for ownership over their bodies in general.

So it can be tough when you see a famous white woman rocking her hair in a way that is both a fashion statement and a protective style for black people. It looks like a costume.

I’ve got natural hair and have done protective styles like that in the past. And I’ve had to schedule that around work, because I’d get dinged stepping into a meeting with my hair like that sadly. So Adele doing it like it’s simple fashion just makes me roll my eyes. This stuff is still very political for us.
 
Eh, with the Adele thing you gotta understand context. Black women still facing discrimination, particularly in the workplace, over their hair. And just battling for ownership over their bodies in general.

So it can be tough when you see a famous white woman rocking her hair in a way that is both a fashion statement and a protective style for black people. It looks like a costume.

I’ve got natural hair and have done protective styles like that in the past. And I’ve had to schedule that around work, because I’d get dinged stepping into a meeting with my hair like that sadly. So Adele doing it like it’s simple fashion just makes me roll my eyes. This stuff is still very political for us.

There's nothing "simple" about doing that with your hair. Or any "black" hairstyle.
 
Eh, with the Adele thing you gotta understand context. Black women still facing discrimination, particularly in the workplace, over their hair. And just battling for ownership over their bodies in general.

Hey Scribe, saw this and thought I'd share some thoughts with you. The Caveat, as usual, is that I hope you and anyone else reading understand my comments come from a place of respect and honest discourse.

So it can be tough when you see a famous white woman rocking her hair in a way that is both a fashion statement and a protective style for black people. It looks like a costume.

I believe Adele was sporting her hair and bikini top in tribute to Carnival or the celebration of Caribbean culture. That's only a small part of what the bigger point may be.

This is my bigger issue with cultural appropriation. It seems like, if the argument is that any minority group wants to be accepted into a larger society but not allow members outside of their group to adopt certain fashion or cultural aspects, then what's the ultimate goal here? We want equality but you can't wear that. We want equality but you can't use that hairstyle, it belongs to our culture. And Adele is not in a professional environment, she's an entertainer and she most likely would not get away with that hair in a board meeting either.

An example of this was a high school girl who went to her prom in a traditional Chinese Kimono. She didn't wear it as a costume, she wore it because she loved the culture and thought it was a beautiful dress to wear for prom. Immediately, someone on Twitter calls her out and says "my culture isn't you're gd prom dress." But what good does it do for minority women who want to see those hairstyles or dresses normalized shut down anyone else for adopting them as well? Don't we want more men/women embracing a culture not of their own?

If not, then all we're going to get is "I want you to understand my culture but only from a distance, you don't get to partake in any of it" sort of mentality. Theoretically, if Adele showed up to that festival and didn't wear anything Caribbean she could easily be accused of not supporting that culture, so it's a lose-lose.

I’ve got natural hair and have done protective styles like that in the past. And I’ve had to schedule that around work because I’d get dinged stepping into a meeting with my hair like that sadly. So Adele doing it like it’s simple fashion just makes me roll my eyes. This stuff is still very political for us.

I got dinged for wearing a polo my boss deemed "too faded" and was told to go buy new clothes or stop going to meetings. I also guarantee that if I joined that meeting with a mohawk, I'd have been dinged as well. Unfortunately, the majority of the professional workplace still clings onto what is perceived to be professional by standards set decades ago. And by that, I mean that it DOESN'T MATTER what the color of your skin is, some companies out there expect the most conservative, dull, and normalized style when you step into the workplace.

And no tattoos hippies! (a joke to lighten the mood).

Hey look, we made it this far! Hope none of this upsets you reader, just talking, sharin ideas. If you'd like, I can tell you what I thought of Tenet, that I just got out of. I'll use the word paradox a lot. No spoilers.
 
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Anyone know if Superman Man of Tomorrow will be coming to HBO Max? Typically animated movies would be available on DC Universe about a week after its release so I hope it's being put on HBO Max. No need to pay for it twice.
 
An example of this was a high school girl who went to her prom in a traditional Japenese Kimono. She didn't wear it as a costume, she wore it because she loved the culture and thought it was a beautiful dress to wear for prom. Immediately, someone on Twitter calls her out and says "my culture isn't you're gd prom dress."

did that really happen? it's hard to believe any sane Japanese would say something like that.
 
did that really happen? it's hard to believe any sane Japanese would say something like that.

Well, I'm also a shmuck and should have put Chinese. I've edited the post accordingly. And in looking for the tweet or story, I recall it may not have been a person living in China but a girl who was of Chinese descent, here in the states that took issue.
 
Hey Scribe, saw this and thought I'd share some thoughts with you. The Caveat, as usual, is that I hope you and anyone else reading understand my comments come from a place of respect and honest discourse.



I believe Adele was sporting her hair and bikini top in tribute to Carnival or the celebration of Caribbean culture. That's only a small part of what the bigger point may be.

This is my bigger issue with cultural appropriation. It seems like, if the argument is that any minority group wants to be accepted into a larger society but not allow members outside of their group to adopt certain fashion or cultural aspects, then what's the ultimate goal here? We want equality but you can't wear that. We want equality but you can't use that hairstyle, it belongs to our culture. And Adele is not in a professional environment, she's an entertainer and she most likely would not get away with that hair in a board meeting either.

An example of this was a high school girl who went to her prom in a traditional Japenese Kimono. She didn't wear it as a costume, she wore it because she loved the culture and thought it was a beautiful dress to wear for prom. Immediately, someone on Twitter calls her out and says "my culture isn't you're gd prom dress." But what good does it do for minority women who want to see those hairstyles or dresses normalized shut down anyone else for adopting them as well? Don't we want more men/women embracing a culture not of their own?

If not, then all we're going to get is "I want you to understand my culture but only from a distance, you don't get to partake in any of it" sort of mentality. Theoretically, if Adele showed up to that festival and didn't wear anything Caribbean she could easily be accused of not supporting that culture, so it's a lose-lose.

Here's the thing, why does having your culture accepted mean you have to allow others to "adopt" it? Why is it that white people co-opting the cultural aspects they like is the only road to normalizing said culture? Adele could've just posted her "tribute" without playing dress-up and making it about her. There's this bizarre idea that a lot of white folks have that they need to outfit themselves in cultural attire in order to show their acceptance. Just be accepting. That's all we're asking for in that regard.



I got dinged for wearing a polo my boss deemed "too faded" and was told to go buy new clothes or stop going to meetings. I also guarantee that if I joined that meeting with a mohawk, I'd have been dinged as well. Unfortunately, the majority of the professional workplace still clings onto what is perceived to be professional by standards set decades ago. And by that, I mean that it DOESN'T MATTER what the color of your skin is, some companies out there expect the most conservative, dull, and normalized style when you step into the workplace.

You can buy a different polo. I literally have to do certain things with my hair or it will fall out and potentially be damaged forever. I don't think anyone should get dinged for their hair in a professional sense. It's stupid to me. But I do think people need to be more aware of the history and symbolism that certain hairstyles and other cultural elements carry. If you're a white person just casually rocking an indigenous hairstyle...maybe don't. I accept and respect Muslims fully. That doesn't mean I get to rock a hijab, because I think it looks cute.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 
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I accept and respect Muslims fully. That doesn't mean I get to rock a hijab, because I think it looks cute.

it seems like it's ok for non-Muslim to wear a hijab.

But since non-Muslim women are expected to cover when visiting religiously strict Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, there’s clearly no prohibition on nonbelievers donning the veil. And head coverings of various kinds have long been enjoyed by women all over the world. The Virgin Mary appears in nearly all paintings to be wearing hijab, as Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, laughingly pointed out to me in an interview. If you choose to wear hijab, he said, speaking as a religious Muslim, “there’s no offense on our end.”

Asking for a Friend: Can a Non-Muslim Woman Wear a Hijab for Fashion?
https://www.thenation.com/article/a...-a-non-muslim-woman-wear-a-hijab-for-fashion/
 
Here's the thing, why does having your culture accepted mean you have to allow others to "adopt" it? Why is it that white people co-opting the cultural aspects they like is the only road to normalizing said culture? Adele could've just posted her "tribute" without playing dress-up and making it about her. There's this bizarre idea that a lot of white folks have that they need to outfit themselves in cultural attire in order to show their acceptance. Just be accepting. That's all we're asking for in that regard.

Well, I'm not saying that in order to have your culture accepted you MUST allow others to adopt it, I'm just saying that I think it's a natural part of the process. As certain aspects of Black culture become more popular, don't be shocked when you start to see more non-black people adopting said traits. I don't think Adele is "playing dress-up". I think she likes what she did with her hair and shouldn't be shamed by anyone saying that she can't wear it that way because she's not black. That hairstyle doesn't belong to anyone, period, we're all human.

You can buy a different polo. I literally have to do certain things with my hair or it will fall out and potentially be damaged forever. I don't think anyone should get dinged for their hair in a professional sense. It's stupid to me. But I do think people need to be more aware of the history and symbolism that certain hairstyles and other cultural elements carry. If you're a white person just casually rocking an indigenous hairstyle...maybe don't. I accept and respect Muslims fully. That doesn't mean I get to rock a hijab, because I think it looks cute.

Well, I made the polo comment just to say that we all get dinged for something regardless of skin color (and can I just buy one? I didn't have money to at the time). I made the mohawk comment clearly to point out that less conservative, less common hairstyles aren't considered professional so I guess we both agree that sucks. I think if you wanted to wear a hijab, because you think they're cute, it shouldn't be offensive to a Muslim woman anyway and you'd be fine wearing one.

I went to your site and listened to your first podcast and I think we just have a different perspective, which is fine. One doesn't have to be better than the other. You're a thoughtful person.

True equality is everyone, being able to wear, eat or join in on any activity, regardless of their ethnicity if they enjoy it. So when someone thinks White people are just "putting on a costume" it can be a tad insulting. Maybe, just maybe, we like it. Now pandering does exist and all I can think of recently was Nancy Pelosi and fellow Democrats wearing African Scarves in the capital was clearly manipulative. That's wrong but also not what Adele was doing.

I'm gonna drop this because this is where most of us escape to talk superhero stuff but Scribe if you decide you want to talk, feel free to DM.
 

oh yea, i remember this story.

just speaking from my perspective on this specific case -- yea, chinese folks sometimes wear these qipao's and cheongsam's for special occasions like weddings, parties, new years, etc.
but there's no actual deep cultural/religious significance to these clothes.
they've always meant to be commercial fashion products.

the young lady was wearing it to her prom because she thought it looked nice. that's cool.
she wasn't doing it to mock or belittle the culture.

most chinese people would not be offended.
i think it's mostly younger generation chinese americans who take offense to it.

funny enough, one time i saw an instagram video post of this latina twerking and dancing while wearing a qipao.
i forwarded to one of my friends and he got offended (he's younger than me).
he said "she's appropriating our culture!"
but i said "bro...she's not mocking our people though. she's just twerking and happening to be wearing a qipao. it could've been any other dress. check out dat ass on her though."

all that being said, i feel it is not my place to speak for or lecture others on THEIR culture and what they view as appropriation.
because there is context and a history that they lived and continue to live through that i probably will never fully understand.
we can only respectfully listen to each other and learn from each other.
 
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reading about how boseman fought to add these cultural touches in BP so it would be more authentic to the character :hrt:

Chadwick Boseman Inspired One of the Most Powerful Lines in ‘Black Panther’

He was also instrumental in Xhosa being the language spoken by Wakandans. The language was first used in a scene between Boseman and John Kani, who plays his father, in Captain America: Civil War, because it is Kani’s native language. Boseman encouraged Coogler to keep this for Black Panther because he was able to learn his Xhosa lines on the spot while filming.

“He also advocated for his character to speak with an African accent,” Coogler writes, “so that he could present T’Challa to audiences as an African king, whose dialect had not been conquered by the West.”

i was thinking about rewatching but i don't think i can right now.
i'll just end up a crying mess.
 
I accept and respect Muslims fully. That doesn't mean I get to rock a hijab, because I think it looks cute.
You're a man, you should wear shemagh instead.

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It's good for summer heat, and can be utilized as a face mask. :yay:
it seems like it's ok for non-Muslim to wear a hijab.
More than just ok. :)
 
@chintai80, minorities can't appropriate anyway, since the concept hinges on a power imbalance. Ties to colonialism and whatnot. However, I'd be happy to dig deeper into this. Feel free to shoot me that twerk video...for research.

At any rate, that's great to know I have additional headdress options now, though I still have too much hair pull it off. My larger point was simply that hair, for black people and especially black women, is a hugely political topic and has been for centuries. So watching someone who does not have to deal with any of that reality co-opt pieces of it for a photo op doesn't feel like a tribute. Maybe when it's no longer a choice between my natural hair and a job, I will view it all differently.
 
@chintai80, minorities can't appropriate anyway, since the concept hinges on a power imbalance. Ties to colonialism and whatnot. However, I'd be happy to dig deeper into this. Feel free to shoot me that twerk video...for research.

At any rate, that's great to know I have additional headdress options now, though I still have too much hair pull it off. My larger point was simply that hair, for black people and especially black women, is a hugely political topic and has been for centuries. So watching someone who does not have to deal with any of that reality co-opt pieces of it for a photo op doesn't feel like a tribute. Maybe when it's no longer a choice between my natural hair and a job, I will view it all differently.

lol lemme look for that video. it was awhile ago.
 
An example of this was a high school girl who went to her prom in a traditional Chinese Kimono. She didn't wear it as a costume, she wore it because she loved the culture and thought it was a beautiful dress to wear for prom. Immediately, someone on Twitter calls her out and says "my culture isn't you're gd prom dress."

Right. I remember that clear as day. One of cancel culture's most appalling moments. The fact that it became a national debate was a travesty. I'm not the biggest fan of Ethan Klein but his response was right on the money.

 
Right. I remember that clear as day. One of cancel culture's most appalling moments. The fact that it became a national debate was a travesty. I'm not the biggest fan of Ethan Klein but his response was right on the money.


lol those qipao's are designed for everyone to wear anyway.

it just happens that they originated from the manchurians - a northern tribal people who invaded and ruled the last dynasty in china, but that's a whole other story. lol

it's the same if i wear a black and white tuxedo's for special occasions.

unless the girl was trying to use it mock chinese people (she wasn't), then she did not do anything wrong.
 

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