Luke Cage Luke Cage General Discussion Thread

[Zarex]

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Absolutely sucks.

For now, I'm (semi-)satisfied with the explanation that they are two different women who just happen to resemble each other to a startling extent

But this lack of synergy between the movie and TV department is starting to get truly confounding and a huge missed opportunity. I mean, getting on the same page with small references, etc. would not take much effort at all.

Don't get me wrong, what they've built (and continue to build) is an absoulte achievement, but why not give your biggest, most ardent fans (i.e. us... who follow all the films, TV and streaming shows, one-shots, etc.) something to truly marvel at when it can be done so damn easily.

Are egos and agendas truly that big that they cannot be put aside for the greater good? C'mon Marvel... you're better than this.

"If you don't like it you can follow the DCEU. Yeah, I didn't think so. Now go get your freakin' cash box. And buy four tickets to an IMAX 3-D showing of Captain America: Civil War." - Kevin Feige

 

[Pokkle]

I don't care much, it isn't the first time.

The actress of the mom of Star Lord in GOTG was playing somebody different in Captain America.

The actor who plays Agent Souza from Agent Carter was playing a random cops in Avengers.

The actor who plays Melvin Potter in Daredevil was playing somebody else in the One shot, All hail the King.

The Irish gangster's boss in DD S2 was playing Bor in Thor 2.

 

[Norek]

Are they really different characters? How do we know this for sure?

If they are, then that is extremely dumb, considering she's a main character in Luke Cage. Why would they cast her as someone else? That is almost setting it in stone that the Netflix and movie divisions are completely separate and that there is no continuity between the two.

If they were going to cast someone at all, why cast her then? They could've found someone else. It's not like she was the best person for the job, for what is not going to be a very large role. If they wanted a black actress, there are plenty of other black actresses out there who aren't going to overlap with a character already supposedly in the MCU.

Next we'll be getting Charlie Cox or Mike Colter appearing in a movie as someone completely different.

Apparently she was cast in Civil War before she got the role in Luke Cage, so it really isn't the movie's fault or anything like that.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

If they are, then that is extremely dumb, considering she's a main character in Luke Cage. Why would they cast her as someone else? That is almost setting it in stone that the Netflix and movie divisions are completely separate and that there is no continuity between the two.

If they were going to cast someone at all, why cast her then? They could've found someone else. It's not like she was the best person for the job, for what is not going to be a very large role. If they wanted a black actress, there are plenty of other black actresses out there who aren't going to overlap with a character already supposedly in the MCU.

As far as I know casting for CA:CW happened between October 2014 and February 2015, with filming starting in April, while Woodard was only in negotiations for Luke Cage in August 2015. It's quite likely she was already done filming for CA:CW before even being offered the role in Luke Cage.

Edit: Ninja'd by Norek

 

[Dark Raven]

Cut her part!! That's why there are reshoots!

 

[RockSP]

I don't care much, it isn't the first time.

The actress of the mom of Star Lord in GOTG was playing somebody different in Captain America.

The actor who plays Agent Souza from Agent Carter was playing a random cops in Avengers.

The actor who plays Melvin Potter in Daredevil was playing somebody else in the One shot, All hail the King.

The Irish gangster's boss in DD S2 was playing Bor in Thor 2.

Exactly. This is no big deal.

 

[Endeavor]

I don't consider those other articles that MCU Exchange quoted as definitive proof she will be another character.
She could be a mother that lost a son and confronts Stark and still be a politician in Harlem.
Or are politicians in the MCU not allowed to procreate?

 

[Wylie Times]

I don't consider those other articles that MCU Exchange quoted as definitive proof she will be another character.
She could be a mother that lost a son and confronts Stark and still be a politician in Harlem.
Or are politicians in the MCU not allowed to procreate?

The character she's playing in Luke Cage isn't just some crooked politicization. Black Mariah is a straight up villain that's akin to Kingpin or Leiland Owlsly. I'd be downright weird and pointless to take a Luke Cage villain and make her pivotal character in a civil war film.

 

[Random490]

The character she's playing in Luke Cage isn't just some crooked politicization. Black Mariah is a straight up villain that's akin to Kingpin or Leiland Owlsly. I'd be downright weird and pointless to take a Luke Cage villain and make her pivotal character in a civil war film.

That's true. It would undercut Stark's guilt that she represents. I just hope hair and make up are different enough that it won't be distracting. I'm sure her character will be different enough.

I remember hearing the show Lost had to make a rule that when an extra gets a speaking role they can no longer appear as an extra. Because too many fans were studying the background and making crazy theories whenever the same extra showed up again. Really there's just so many actors in Hawaii you can keeping flying out fresh faces from LA just to preserve the continuity of extras.

I don't care. Best actor for the role, I just hope the double casting doesn't get too jarring.

 

[Dark Raven]

It could be jarring though, especially if she does a star turn in Luke Cage. It would be like having Vincent D'Onofrio turning up in an MCU movie as a desperate father whom Spider-Man helps out, or David Tenant as a concerned husband looking for his missing wife.

Would anyone be happy with one of them now in a different role in an MCU film?

 

[Muze]

It could be jarring though, especially if she does a star turn in Luke Cage. It would be like having Vincent D'Onofrio turning up in an MCU movie as a desperate father whom Spider-Man helps out, or David Tenant as a concerned husband looking for his missing wife.

Would anyone be happy with one of them now in a different role in an MCU film?

wouldn't bother me, as long as they are dressed/styled differently. i'd rather D'Onofrio stay as the Kingpin, though.

 

[Muze]

Lili Taylor would have been my choice for Miriam Sharpe.

 

[BarryAllen]

Exactly. This is no big deal.

All those other actors you named are pretty much unknowns with minimal screentime. Alfre Woodard is pretty prominent, not to mention playing a pivotal role in Civil War (no matter how big the role is) and a huge part of Luke Cage. That's pretty dumb of Marvel. They easily could have gone with another talented black actress.

 

[Best]

Update on the Alfre Woodard Luke Cage/Civil War connection - there may still be a possibility (or this is all just strange)...

http://screencrush.com/captain-america-civil-war-alfre-woodard/

 

[Pokkle]

It could be jarring though, especially if she does a star turn in Luke Cage. It would be like having Vincent D'Onofrio turning up in an MCU movie as a desperate father whom Spider-Man helps out, or David Tenant as a concerned husband looking for his missing wife.

Would anyone be happy with one of them now in a different role in an MCU film?

It isn't the same, she was cast in Civil War before Luke Cage.
Her role in Luke Cage will be bigger than whoever she is in Civil War.

It isn't the first time anyways.
I had no problem with the actor playing the father of Odin, Bor, being a Irish gangster in Daredevil.

 

[Wylie Times]

It isn't the same, she was cast in Civil War before Luke Cage.
Her role in Luke Cage will be bigger than whoever she is in Civil War.

It isn't the first time anyways.
I had no problem with the actor playing the father of Odin, Bor, being a Irish gangster in Daredevil.

That's not the same thing. That guy is a virtual unknown and he was covered in a helmet and makeup in Thor The Dark World.

Alfre Woodard is a well known character actor that been consistently working in film and television for nearly 30 years. Even if people don't nesscarily know her name they certainly know her face. She's also not going to be playing a character that covered in makeup.

 

[Dr. Evil]

New set photos:

http://mcuexchange.com/colter-dawson-and-missick-shown-in-new-luke-cage-set-pics/

 

[SlamAdams]

And Clark Johnson is directing at least an episode. Nice!

 

[BarryAllen]

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/13/cheo-hodari-coker-compares-luke-cage-wire

Cheo Hodari Coker says this will be 'The Wire' of the MCU:

“It’s very sophisticated. I mean, it’s got a ’90s hip-hop vibe, but it’s really forward-thinking. We have Adrian Younge and Ali Shaheed Muhammad doing the scoring for us,” Coker says of the show, which focuses on Cage, who debuted during season 1 of Jessica Jones, and introduces comic book character Misty Knight to the Marvel television universe. “We have a lot of different musical appearances, but at the same time, we’ve got the Marvel action. We’ve got drama. I would like this to be, I mean, I know this is heavy but, The Wire of Marvel television, because we really deal with a lot of different issues.”

Colter comments on the yellow shirt (hopefully they don't bring back the tiara!):

Colter says while he’ll do justice to the iconic character, the series does make some changes along the way. “We were trying not to be on the nose. We’re going to give all the fans all the things they want,” the Ringer and Men in Black 3 actor says. “But we’ve got to bring it up a bit and step into the current time. So we’re going to make sure everybody’s happy, but don’t expect a yellow shirt every day. Let’s put it that way … We brought it to mustard. We started there. We knocked it down a bit. Not so bright.”

 

[BarryAllen]

I was looking around IMDB, and I came across this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3322314/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

Apparently Willis Stryker will in fact be in the show, and they've casted Erik LaRay Harvey to play him. Making me wonder, why didn't they make him the big bad as opposed to Cottonmouth? And why don't we have anyone as Comanche if we have Cage, Stryker and Shades?

Also noticable is that apparently we're getting flashbacks of young Cottonmouth and young Mariah as they've casted some child actors. Mariah's flashbacks will probably show her getting interested in politics, but I wonder what Cottonmouth's could be about? Seeing as they're cousins, maybe they've got some past connection?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Apparently she was cast in Civil War before she got the role in Luke Cage, so it really isn't the movie's fault or anything like that.

My question is how the heck did they think it would be okay to cast her in this when they should've know she was cast for CW? Do they not have access to the movie's list of the cast? They're the ones trying to sell us this whole connected universe and I get the movies get written long before things move on the TV/Netflix side but this makes it seem like they don't even talk or do basic communication with each other.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Im sure they knew, but Woodard is a well known actress in the black community. She's a competent actress who frankly i dont mind having in a second role. By time Luke cage comes out people will probably forget she was even in civil war. It truly isnt that big of a deal imo.

 

[Norek]

My question is how the heck did they think it would be okay to cast her in this when they should've know she was cast for CW? Do they not have access to the movie's list of the cast? They're the ones trying to sell us this whole connected universe and I get the movies get written long before things move on the TV/Netflix side but this makes it seem like they don't even talk or do basic communication with each other.

Uhmm, because she's a good actress that fits the role?

I dunno, I really don't find it that problematic. As people mentioned before, there are several actors that played different roles in the MCU before.

 

[BarryAllen]

Uhmm, because she's a good actress that fits the role?

I dunno, I really don't find it that problematic. As people mentioned before, there are several actors that played different roles in the MCU before.

Those were all virtual unknowns. As you yourself said, Alfre Woodard is a talented and prominent actress. That would be like using Anthony Mackie or Tom Hiddleston in multiple roles.

 

[SlamAdams]

I don't think it's the same as Hiddelston Or Mackie. They are prominent serial characters. The extent of Woodards characters seem less prominent